Chris Brown Denied Entry to UK

[Yuriatin]

Re: Chris Brown Denied Entry to UK



<span style="font-style: italic">And no - I wasn't specifically querying YOU re the matter of judgment or judging, btw.</span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">Seems like</span>, we're saying don't judge.

But yet, we judge and pass judgment all the time, here and in our real lives - don't it? </div></div>

We judge all the time,that is what we do on a daily basis,we have to make judgement calls in order to survive,however,each judgement has to be taken into context with other criterias,making a judgement and assessing a situation based on its merits are two entirely different thing. </div></div>Yeah Yuri don't judge me about my judging cause then I will have to judge the quality of your judging and then judge your response to my judgement and then judge the results of that judgement and and and........ </div></div>

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">Seems like</span>, we're saying don't judge.

But yet, we judge and pass judgment all the time, here and in our real lives - don't it? </div></div>Yuri....I never said don't judge CHris...I'm the queen of judgemental and I admit it.I'm glad England shut him out.I have no tolerance for a man who beats a woman. </div></div>

if you found out obama once thumped up a girlfriend back in his early 20's would you want him to resign the presidency immediately?
(since banning him from travel would render him unable to do his job)...
should one be punished for that crime indefinitely?
punished forever and denied ability to earn a living?

how many of those doing the banning have sordid incidents in their own backgrounds

so now only saints allowed to travel?

not to excuse or condone chris brown's crime, but england being a little sensitive on this one...

[Marilyn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="font-style: italic">And no - I wasn't specifically querying YOU re the matter of judgment or judging, btw.</span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">Seems like</span>, we're saying don't judge.

But yet, we judge and pass judgment all the time, here and in our real lives - don't it? </div></div>

We judge all the time,that is what we do on a daily basis,we have to make judgement calls in order to survive,however,each judgement has to be taken into context with other criterias,making a judgement and assessing a situation based on its merits are two entirely different thing. </div></div>Yeah Yuri don't judge me about my judging cause then I will have to judge the quality of your judging and then judge your response to my judgement and then judge the results of that judgement and and and........ </div></div> </div></div>LOL I know, I was just funnin ya

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">B - I can see what you're saying.

Tho if Rios had beaten me, my Mom, friend, loved one - the way he beat &amp; pummeled his wife and girlfriend for years, I wouldn't want to see him <span style="font-weight: bold">honored</span> in the parade either.

B - are you familiar with his case(s)?</span> </div></div>As a victim of similar behavior, I have an enduring loathing for the person who committed the acts against me. That doesn't mean everyone he meets needs to know what he did and his life be ruined forever. What would be the point? If he recidives, I'd expect him to get a long jail sentence, but until then &quot;mek him galang bout him bizness&quot;.

[rudemonk]

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i agree with you to a point blackstar, sorry to hear it from you. but i can tell you that i wish someone had shared their experience they had with a friend of mine, she might not be in the situation she is in now. but she didn't know, and this person was able to deconstruct her, i mean it is like by the book- isolation, dominance, then the hands...

if a person is a repeater, anyway, i wish more people would come forward and shine a light.

one of the things I respect about Ri is what she said about the message her life sends.

like it love it or hate it, celebs definitely bear influence on others.

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">but i can tell you that i wish someone had shared their experience they had with a friend of mine, she might not be in the situation she is in now.</span> </div></div>I thought about that too, monk. The downside of warning all and sundry is that society does not give the person a chance to redeem themselves either. Tough call...

[CyberPhobic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SweetSsop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is stupid,my daughter paid £40 for her ticket and was excited about going</div></div>

she was excited about going to see a guy who was convicted of beating up his girlfriend? </div></div>
wouldnt that be the same as going to see a <span style="font-weight: bold">crackhead</span> perform </div></div>

Like who suh?

Michael Jackson? Whitney Houston? Bobby Brown? <span style="text-decoration: line-through">Guns and Roses? The Osbournes?</span> ANY Rock and Roll Group?

C'mon Son!

[CyberPhobic]

Re: Chris Brown Denied Entry to UK

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SweetSsop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is stupid,my daughter paid £40 for her ticket and was excited about going</div></div>

she was excited about going to see a guy who was convicted of beating up his girlfriend? </div></div>
wouldnt that be the same as going to see a crackhead perform </div></div>

Personally it wouldnt bother me seeing a crackhead perform,as long as it didnt affect their voice,or their ability to perform
However,what label would we give to people like Whitney houston,Bob marley,the entire members of the who,..and all the other talented artistes that have dabbled with one drug or another,or lived flawed lives but are geniuses on stage. </div></div>

EXACTLY! A dat mi a sey tuh.

Mi hear sey dem nuh geeem di visa sayka how Ri Ri did buy tikkit fi guh a di concert tuh, an dem ketch dem fraid for dem neva want har fi guh jump up panni stage an chry fi buss him hawse &quot;agen&quot; inna di kween <span style="font-weight: bold">good-good honesst and guiltfree of doin NO WRONG</span> kuntry hintfronta di audience.

Ennybady else hear dat?

[CyberPhobic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It;s difficult judging performers based on their private lives,do we decide to watch someone if they only smoke ganja,but not if they smoke crack,or someone if they are convicted of assault,but not if they beat their wife...?

If we were to judge singers,musicians based on their private lives none of them would be in business for very long,what about our favourite movie stars,do we not go and see a movie because someone slapped his wife or was involved in a domestic argument...? </div></div>

AMEN! Can ennybady say Rick James, Lionel Richie, James Brown and even di preacha man whe sing gospel?

[JamBrit]

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While I do not condone Chris' behaviour, this is taking it a little too far....let's see how long they will uphold the denial...

[twiney]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">Seems like</span>, we're saying don't judge.

But yet, we judge and pass judgment all the time, here and in our real lives - don't it? </div></div>Yuri....I never said don't judge CHris...I'm the queen of judgemental and I admit it.I'm glad England shut him out.I have no tolerance for a man who beats a woman. </div></div>

if you found out obama once thumped up a girlfriend back in his early 20's would you want him to resign the presidency immediately?
(since banning him from travel would render him unable to do his job)...
should one be punished for that crime indefinitely?
punished forever and denied ability to earn a living?

how many of those doing the banning have sordid incidents in their own backgrounds

so now only saints allowed to travel?

not to excuse or condone chris brown's crime, but england being a little sensitive on this one...

</div></div>

Amen and mi sarry ... still dont think Rhirhi was oh so innocent victim in this case ... just that the badder man win the fight.

[Marilyn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">Seems like</span>, we're saying don't judge.

But yet, we judge and pass judgment all the time, here and in our real lives - don't it? </div></div>Yuri....I never said don't judge CHris...I'm the queen of judgemental and I admit it.I'm glad England shut him out.I have no tolerance for a man who beats a woman. </div></div>

if you found out obama once thumped up a girlfriend back in his early 20's would you want him to resign the presidency immediately?
(since banning him from travel would render him unable to do his job)...
should one be punished for that crime indefinitely?
punished forever and denied ability to earn a living?

how many of those doing the banning have sordid incidents in their own backgrounds

so now only saints allowed to travel?

not to excuse or condone chris brown's crime, but england being a little sensitive on this one...

</div></div>You make some REALLY valid arguments here. BUT
you asked about timing, or &quot;how long&quot; one should pay. Think about this, Chris Brown is still well within the timing of his punishment,really just getting started. The things the judge gave him are in LIEU of jail, in essence though, he is in prison in the world. Just because the judge didn't lock him phsyically in jail does not mean that he can just go on about his life as if he did nothing wrong and galivant all over the world free. He's a convicted CRIMINAL, and if ENgland doesn't want him their country, they don't have to take him.

[rudemonk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">but i can tell you that i wish someone had shared their experience they had with a friend of mine, she might not be in the situation she is in now.</span> </div></div>I thought about that too, monk. The downside of warning all and sundry is that society does not give the person a chance to redeem themselves either. Tough call... </div></div>

i feel you. a definite tight rope act.

i wonder if my friend would have benefitted from having a strong female mentor in her life, but when i think back i can't even say that would have helped her, because she did have a fairly regular life before the onset of this evil bastard's work on her.

maybe if she ever gets through it, then would be the time where she might need the support. i don't know. i guess that is one of the things that i found to be the most difficult to understand, because one immediately assumes something must be wrong with a person to subject themselves to this kind of full spectrum abuse that some of these women are going through- mental, emotional, psychological, and physical.

i am though of the growing opinion that what our celebrities do does matter, it's not enough for them to just entertain and not practice what they preach. look at buju for example.

i realize that makes much of the entertainment industry akin to a gigantic joke, but that's the truth, it IS a joke. tough to remain a fan once you see the wizard behind the curtain, that is for sure.

[Derek]

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Must be his homophobic lyrics...

[Peasie]

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Never listened to his music. But it doesn't matter now, does it? He is no longer known for his music but for what he did (even allegedly) to Rhianna. He's like an R Kelly. And even Michael Jackson - <span style="font-style: italic">yes, I wrote that. C'mon now, it was only in death that folks looked beyond his sleeping with kids thing</span>. The scandal will follow him forever.