Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

**Emperah** · 11-19-2010, 09:40 PM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

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**LusciousJohnson** · 12-01-2010, 12:31 PM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nanceejay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fancy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but he didnt even do anything. he owned the house. his ppl (cousins i think) were the ones actually doing the dogfighting. he wasnt apart of all that.
he made a public statement and accepted that it was his fault and went to jail for it when he didnt actually do anything. he should be commended instead of ridiculed and what not for accepting responsibility for crimes he didnt commit and not being a snitch and turning in his people.
if that wasnt his property, he wouldnt be in this situation and looked at like he is an animal abuser and all these things ppl saying about him. </div></div>

sorry Fancy..I think you need to read up on exactly what MV did. He DID torture those dogs. He was aware and was there when torturing was being done. They weren't cousins, they were his home boys. He lied to the NFL, he lied to the judge and he lied to the public. What a role model...

I only hope Michael Vick one day suffers the same fate of the dogs he forced to fight. He is a soulless killer who has shown zero remorse... zip. nada. zilch. Vick does not deserve, nor will he get, my forgiveness.
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my bad...shoulda been more clear on what i said. his cousin was the one stayin in the house. and the ppl who did the dogfighting were the homeboys.

i guess from yall point of view "reading" what he did and "admitted" to versus what really happened i can see ur point.

look at it this way...

if u had the option of admitting to something u didnt do for a lesser charge would u do it? or would u be an upstanding citizen and admit to what u did and sit in jail for the rest of your young life?

he admitted to whatever the lawyers, judges and whoever else said he needed to admit to so he can be where he is today...playing in the NFL instead of sitting in jail right today.

And besides, no animal lover is gonna see that. all they gonna see is Vick's name and that he is an "animal abuser."

i wanna see how many ppl gonna actually admit and be telling the truth that they would go to jail for an extended amount of time just so they not labeled "an animal abuser" please! whatever it takes to get back to ur normal life asap is what a realist is gonna do. nobody in they right mind gonna say "no! send me to jail for however long society sees fit! i will not admit to being an animal abuser! my pride is more important than my freedom!" yea right

**Suesumba** · 12-01-2010, 12:38 PM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fancy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but he didnt even do anything. he owned the house. his ppl (cousins i think) were the ones actually doing the dogfighting. he wasnt apart of all that.
he made a public statement and accepted that it was his fault and went to jail for it when he didnt actually do anything. he should be commended instead of ridiculed and what not for accepting responsibility for crimes he didnt commit and <span style="font-weight: bold">not being a snitch and turning in his people</span>.
if that wasnt his property, he wouldnt be in this situation and looked at like he is an animal abuser and all these things ppl saying about him. </div></div>

that is very sad on all levels.

**23JAM00** · 12-03-2010, 05:02 PM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fancy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nanceejay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fancy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but he didnt even do anything. he owned the house. his ppl (cousins i think) were the ones actually doing the dogfighting. he wasnt apart of all that.
he made a public statement and accepted that it was his fault and went to jail for it when he didnt actually do anything. he should be commended instead of ridiculed and what not for accepting responsibility for crimes he didnt commit and not being a snitch and turning in his people.
if that wasnt his property, he wouldnt be in this situation and looked at like he is an animal abuser and all these things ppl saying about him. </div></div>

sorry Fancy..I think you need to read up on exactly what MV did. He DID torture those dogs. He was aware and was there when torturing was being done. They weren't cousins, they were his home boys. He lied to the NFL, he lied to the judge and he lied to the public. What a role model...

I only hope Michael Vick one day suffers the same fate of the dogs he forced to fight. He is a soulless killer who has shown zero remorse... zip. nada. zilch. Vick does not deserve, nor will he get, my forgiveness.
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my bad...shoulda been more clear on what i said. his cousin was the one stayin in the house. and the ppl who did the dogfighting were the homeboys.

i guess from yall point of view "reading" what he did and "admitted" to versus what really happened i can see ur point.

look at it this way...

if u had the option of admitting to something u didnt do for a lesser charge would u do it? or would u be an upstanding citizen and admit to what u did and sit in jail for the rest of your young life?

he admitted to whatever the lawyers, judges and whoever else said he needed to admit to so he can be where he is today...playing in the NFL instead of sitting in jail right today.

And besides, no animal lover is gonna see that. all they gonna see is Vick's name and that he is an "animal abuser."

i wanna see how many ppl gonna actually admit and be telling the truth that they would go to jail for an extended amount of time just so they not labeled "an animal abuser" please! whatever it takes to get back to ur normal life asap is what a realist is gonna do. nobody in they right mind gonna say "no! send me to jail for however long society sees fit! i will not admit to being an animal abuser! my pride is more important than my freedom!" yea right </div></div>

FromThe American Thinker
December 03, 2010
Michael Vick is undeserving of our admiration
Russ Vaughn
As a sports fan whose sports enthusiasm is essentially limited to football, collegiate and pro, I frequently find myself at contretemps with those who live and breathe sports, all sports, 24/7/365. Much of their excessive enthusiasm I find easy to overlook. Where I part company is in their tendency to forgive just about any social aberration or crime by those athletes whose superior physical skills serve to put them into some sort of protected class.

The immediate inspiration for my thoughts is the Houston/Philadelphia game I am now watching on Thursday night. God help me but I can't help but root against Michael Vick on every play. Vick is an outstanding athlete no question, but he's also a cold, cruel human thug, who has horribly and routinely abused animals. Yeah, I know, he served his time and in the tunnel vision of the sports world should be forgiven and allowed to resume his career. Naaahh!!!

Sorry, but I can't watch this guy play without hearing the heart-rending screams of dogs he strung up with rope and cable to die a slow agonizing death, futilely twisting and turning, fighting to free themselves from the agony that closed around their throats, cutting off their air, their lives, all because Michael Vick wasn't totally satisfied that they had done their best in the deadly dog-fighting rings where he placed them.

And yes, for the tenderer souls among you AT readers, dogs do scream in their death throes, as do most mammalian creatures including man. I'm no sissy and I'm no weak-willed [censored] afraid of confronting the hard aspects of life. I have been in ground combat in the jungles and rice paddies and seen humans turned into hamburger in front of my eyes. It is horrifying and it stays with you forever, but you have the enduring and unsatisfying consolation that it is done out of necessity not out of whim.

Those who fight dogs are men who are beyond my understanding. What twists and turns in their brains to find this bloody viciousness a sport is incomprehensible to me. Worse is their treatment of the unfortunate animals that fall under their evil ownership. Dogs are starved into savagery with the weaker among them succumbing to the stronger while the stronger survive only to endure greater horrors. Even those dogs which rise to the top and become champions will someday find themselves passed by and out of favor, left to a cruel death when they no longer win, and, as in Michael Vick's case, hanged, to twist and turn, screaming in their death throes, all because Vick and his co-defendants determined they were no longer winners, worthy of being players in his fighting stable.

God forgive me, but I can't help but watch Michael Vick playing without hoping that I see him carried to the sidelines screaming in agony with an injury and pain that a just God will make everlasting. Sorry sportscasters, there are some crimes against basic human decency which are unforgivable, hurting innocent animals being foremost among them in my mind..

Think about it: when Vick's football skills begin to fail and he can no longer win those games that count, should the Philadelphia fans drag him out of the competitive pit and hang him by his neck over a parking lot lamp post, watching him twist and turn until his agonized screams die away into the same nothingness as his losing dogs?

Spare me his talent; Michael Vick is the Charles Manson of the football/dog world.

<span style="font-style: italic">As I said before....if you think MV did not torture dogs...read up on it.</span>

**evanovitch** · 12-03-2010, 05:32 PM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nanceejay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fancy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nanceejay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fancy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but he didnt even do anything. he owned the house. his ppl (cousins i think) were the ones actually doing the dogfighting. he wasnt apart of all that.
he made a public statement and accepted that it was his fault and went to jail for it when he didnt actually do anything. he should be commended instead of ridiculed and what not for accepting responsibility for crimes he didnt commit and not being a snitch and turning in his people.
if that wasnt his property, he wouldnt be in this situation and looked at like he is an animal abuser and all these things ppl saying about him. </div></div>

sorry Fancy..I think you need to read up on exactly what MV did. He DID torture those dogs. He was aware and was there when torturing was being done. They weren't cousins, they were his home boys. He lied to the NFL, he lied to the judge and he lied to the public. What a role model...

I only hope Michael Vick one day suffers the same fate of the dogs he forced to fight. He is a soulless killer who has shown zero remorse... zip. nada. zilch. Vick does not deserve, nor will he get, my forgiveness.
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my bad...shoulda been more clear on what i said. his cousin was the one stayin in the house. and the ppl who did the dogfighting were the homeboys.

i guess from yall point of view "reading" what he did and "admitted" to versus what really happened i can see ur point.

look at it this way...

if u had the option of admitting to something u didnt do for a lesser charge would u do it? or would u be an upstanding citizen and admit to what u did and sit in jail for the rest of your young life?

he admitted to whatever the lawyers, judges and whoever else said he needed to admit to so he can be where he is today...playing in the NFL instead of sitting in jail right today.

And besides, no animal lover is gonna see that. all they gonna see is Vick's name and that he is an "animal abuser."

i wanna see how many ppl gonna actually admit and be telling the truth that they would go to jail for an extended amount of time just so they not labeled "an animal abuser" please! whatever it takes to get back to ur normal life asap is what a realist is gonna do. nobody in they right mind gonna say "no! send me to jail for however long society sees fit! i will not admit to being an animal abuser! my pride is more important than my freedom!" yea right </div></div>

FromThe American Thinker
December 03, 2010
Michael Vick is undeserving of our admiration
Russ Vaughn
As a sports fan whose sports enthusiasm is essentially limited to football, collegiate and pro, I frequently find myself at contretemps with those who live and breathe sports, all sports, 24/7/365. Much of their excessive enthusiasm I find easy to overlook. Where I part company is in their tendency to forgive just about any social aberration or crime by those athletes whose superior physical skills serve to put them into some sort of protected class.

The immediate inspiration for my thoughts is the Houston/Philadelphia game I am now watching on Thursday night. God help me but I can't help but root against Michael Vick on every play. Vick is an outstanding athlete no question, but he's also a cold, cruel human thug, who has horribly and routinely abused animals. Yeah, I know, he served his time and in the tunnel vision of the sports world should be forgiven and allowed to resume his career. Naaahh!!!

Sorry, but I can't watch this guy play without hearing the heart-rending screams of dogs he strung up with rope and cable to die a slow agonizing death, futilely twisting and turning, fighting to free themselves from the agony that closed around their throats, cutting off their air, their lives, all because Michael Vick wasn't totally satisfied that they had done their best in the deadly dog-fighting rings where he placed them.

And yes, for the tenderer souls among you AT readers, dogs do scream in their death throes, as do most mammalian creatures including man. I'm no sissy and I'm no weak-willed [censored] afraid of confronting the hard aspects of life. I have been in ground combat in the jungles and rice paddies and seen humans turned into hamburger in front of my eyes. It is horrifying and it stays with you forever, but you have the enduring and unsatisfying consolation that it is done out of necessity not out of whim.

Those who fight dogs are men who are beyond my understanding. What twists and turns in their brains to find this bloody viciousness a sport is incomprehensible to me. Worse is their treatment of the unfortunate animals that fall under their evil ownership. Dogs are starved into savagery with the weaker among them succumbing to the stronger while the stronger survive only to endure greater horrors. Even those dogs which rise to the top and become champions will someday find themselves passed by and out of favor, left to a cruel death when they no longer win, and, as in Michael Vick's case, hanged, to twist and turn, screaming in their death throes, all because Vick and his co-defendants determined they were no longer winners, worthy of being players in his fighting stable.

God forgive me, but I can't help but watch Michael Vick playing without hoping that I see him carried to the sidelines screaming in agony with an injury and pain that a just God will make everlasting. Sorry sportscasters, there are some crimes against basic human decency which are unforgivable, hurting innocent animals being foremost among them in my mind..

Think about it: when Vick's football skills begin to fail and he can no longer win those games that count, should the Philadelphia fans drag him out of the competitive pit and hang him by his neck over a parking lot lamp post, watching him twist and turn until his agonized screams die away into the same nothingness as his losing dogs?

Spare me his talent; Michael Vick is the Charles Manson of the football/dog world.

<span style="font-style: italic">As I said before....if you think MV did not torture dogs...read up on it.</span> </div></div>

dis is written in the said vein as di one who doctor Obama picture to look white an seh him still wudden vote fi him r like him

u cannot absent race from Vic k's continued persecution....good ting him naw worry bout di naysayers and playing better ball dan ever to di extent dat dem tawking bout MVP...wat a way dat vote , if dem really went by talent r not sound bites, would stick in the craw of the hypocrites who continue to say is not race, is love of animal

**jamaica_dreamin** · 12-03-2010, 05:46 PM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

Think about it: when Vick's football skills begin to fail and he can no longer win those games that count, should the Philadelphia fans drag him out of the competitive pit and hang him by his neck over a parking lot lamp post, watching him twist and turn until his agonized screams die away into the same nothingness as his losing dogs?

Works for me!

Spare me his talent; Michael Vick is the Charles Manson of the football/dog world.

Amen!

**evanovitch** · 12-03-2010, 07:01 PM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jamaica_dreamin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Think about it: when Vick's football skills begin to fail and he can no longer win those games that count, should the Philadelphia fans drag him out of the competitive pit and hang him by his neck over a parking lot lamp post, watching him twist and turn until his agonized screams die away into the same nothingness as his losing dogs?

Works for me!

Spare me his talent; Michael Vick is the Charles Manson of the football/dog world.

Amen! </div></div>

and there was a time wen black life was thought to be less dan animals...seems it has not changed by ur comment....ur equating him to Charles Manson echoes wat the person said about his non involvement...Manson stood by while his 'converts' did the deeds...but it is nice to see dat some equate a dog's death to a human's

Blackstar* · 12-04-2010, 02:00 AM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic"> and there was a time wen black life was thought to be less dan animals...seems it has not changed by ur comment....ur equating him to Charles Manson echoes wat the person said about his non involvement...Manson stood by while his 'converts' did the deeds...but it is nice to see dat some equate a dog's death to a human's</span> </div></div>Couldn't have said it better.

**Cultcha** · 12-04-2010, 02:24 AM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

In an interview aired last week, Michael Vick stated that his time in prison taught him to become more patient. He actually attributes his recent success as a QB to this change in his character.

**R_C** · 12-04-2010, 10:08 AM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

j_d, while not condoning the torture of any sentient being, I’m still puzzled by something. Though not being hung from lamp posts for the public to see, as you describe in your post, I’m wondering how the daily slaughter of cows, pigs or chickens is any different. How is slitting the throat of a cow while it is still alive…..but behind closed doors away from the public’s eyes….. for example, any different from what happened to these dogs ? Or is there no moral equivalency here because we eat cows, pigs and chickens. ? Help me understand this.

(And before anyone reminds me, yes, I’m aware that dogs are eaten in China, Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia. I have also read that in some parts of China they are tortured first “to make them taste better”. That raises a whole other set of cultural issues but I’m trying at the moment to understand why we give a pass to commercial slaughter houses but send the Michael Vicks of this world to jail)

**Emperah** · 12-04-2010, 10:30 AM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

mi waan hear dat deh ansah tuh

unno membah wah dem use fi duh wi wid dem dawg dem?

**jamaica_dreamin** · 12-04-2010, 11:20 AM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

I'd say the same thing if he was white, asian, hispanic what ever.

Believe what ever you want.

**jah_yout** · 12-04-2010, 12:04 PM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vic

if those who tortured or killed animals or benefited from the torturing & killing of animals were to be killed,
90% of humans on earth would have to be killed...

those killing & torturing animals or eating/wearing the remains of tortured/killed animals have no moral grounds on which to criticize another person torturing/killing animals

**britisha** · 12-06-2010, 10:25 AM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vic

****AYE SAH** a gwine tek a rain check pan dis wan before war bruk hout agen.

**Yvonne N.** · 12-06-2010, 12:07 PM

Re: Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vic

While I understand your concerns, I am amazed at how the level of reasoning can reach astoundingly high levels when one is defending a point that is of value to him...or her...good job!

Let's now apply that interest, vim and vigour to our everyday lives...and practice what we so earnestly preach in other areas...

...just saying...

Everyone gets 2nd chances...except Michael Vick

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