what you think

[sistactry]

Re: Why only 16 years?

Yuri, she wouldnt allow her husband in dem bed, some say she crazy, but the phyciatrist no seem to tink so, ohhh my goodness~~

<span style="font-weight: bold"> Outside the court, in a statement read out on his behalf by David Sinclair, of Victim Support Scotland, Pasquale Riggi said his children's deaths would leave an &quot;indelible mark on the rest of his life&quot;. </span>

in the ny case here though, is the 10yr old me sorry fah!! dats a heavy burden fe carry fe such a likkle child,

[mountaingal]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stormmey1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why when peeple want to kill themself they dont just do it and leave others alone.....why they find it necessary to take others with them.....is it the ultimate hurt for the ones left behind.....like hell I am gone but you will hurt forever....it could very well that she was unhinged having kids so fast and from such a young age. </div></div>

You are asking rational questions. When someone is overcome with a mental illness that goes untreated, many times they are not capable of being rational.
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thank you peasie. i guess the bottom line is - u either believe there is something called mental illness, or u dont, and u will make ur judgments accordingly.

storrmy, a few years ago, not far from where i live, a jamaican woman with a history of depression strapped her year-old baby to herself and jumped offa bridge. Not too long before that, a doctor suffering postpartum depression jumped in front of a train with her baby.

in the news coverage of both these incidents, experts were interviewed who say that the mothers who do these things tend to be <span style="font-weight: bold">good mothers</span>, and in their mental state, <span style="font-weight: bold">believe it is best for their children to be killed with them than live a life without their mother, as no one else will love and care for them the same way</span>.

mothers who kill their children but not themselves are a different category, i believe.

[sistactry]

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Amen MG, so me say to, me believe dat to, when a mother kill herself and her kids, she knows, dem naa go mek it widdout her, so to the end, she tek dem wid her, too sadd

[Yuriatin]

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I definately believe there is mental illness out there in the world. Absolutely - that's a given.

MGee -<span style="font-style: italic"> are you saying that every parent who kills their child does it because they're mentally ill?

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[sistactry]

Re: what you think

yes Yuri, def yes, of course dem sick,

[Yuriatin]

Re: what you think

So you don't think it's <span style="font-weight: bold">possible</span>, that people have done it because they're just pure evil?

You think Susan Smith was mentally ill?

She was fine all along, and just snapped and had an hour of mental illness?

<span style="font-style: italic">(I know we don't know all the details of the case - I'm just asking your opinion)</span>

[sistactry]

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yes Yuri, i do think &quot;most&quot; of these murder/suicide cases are mentally illness caused,

now about the evil part, me not too sure, i think some evil ppl must be dyamm mental to do wha dem do period....me cudden shoot no body, only if a defend me a defend meself, but when me watch show and see ppl shoot ppl fe likkle or no good reason, me tink dem madd (mental)

evil and mad, u see me

[Yuriatin]

Re: what you think

I'll agree with you on that qualifier - &quot;most&quot;.

Many people who kill their kids, are indeed, mentally ill. At the same time, many are not. There is such a thing, as undeniable pure evil, in the world.

[Yuriatin]

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There's a case here this winter in CA <span style="font-style: italic">(sorry, I think it may be FL, I have to ck)</span>. A man drove a vehicle with child into water and killed both him and the child. The mother was going to break up with him.

And good grief - here's another UK ...
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1 March 2011 Last updated at 16:05 ET

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<span style="font-weight: bold">River-death Father 'Warned Children's Mother'</span></span>

Christopher Grady denies murdering Gabrielle, five, and attempting to kill Ryan, six, by driving them into the River Avon on 11 February last year.

Gabrielle died in hospital three days later, while her brother survived.

Birmingham Crown Court heard the 42-year-old, of no fixed address, was separated from their mother Kim Smith.

The court heard she telephoned Mr Grady on 11 February after concerns that the children had not arrived at school after staying the night at his house.

'Screaming and wailing'

Mr Grady warned her the children &quot;are never going to school again&quot;, the jury heard.

Prosecutor Graham Reeds QC told the court that Mr Grady said: &quot;Be outside your house, you've got 10 seconds to say goodbye to your kids, and then they are dead'.

&quot;He said Kim had 10 seconds to say goodbye.

&quot;She remembers him shouting 'river' and then accelerating away as she made an unsuccessful grab to try and open the door to get the children out of the car.&quot;

The children were heard by witnesses &quot;screaming and wailing&quot; from the back seat of the car as their father drove towards a field next to the river in Evesham, the court was told.

Mr Reeds said a man in the field said Mr Grady &quot;floored&quot; the accelerator pedal &quot;and made straight for the river&quot;.

He said neither child had learned how to swim.

If a person drives his children into a river on a freezing cold day in February - well, what else can they intend but to kill them?”

End Quote Prosecutor Graham Reeds QC

Gabrielle was rescued by police divers through the sunroof two hours later.

A pathologist said her death was caused by a lack of oxygen to the brain due to total immersion in cold water.

Mr Reeds said a number of handwritten notes were found in the car after it was pulled from the water, including one addressed to Miss Smith which read: &quot;You led me to this, my kids with me now.&quot;

Mr Grady, a self-employed welder and blacksmith, apparently told doctors treating him afterwards that he &quot;had enough&quot; of Miss Smith &quot;trying to take my kids away&quot;.

The court was told he had been evicted from his home after falling into arrears over the rent and owed the landlord of his business premises almost £3,000.

He had also threatened to kill himself and the children on a previous occasion.

After the vehicle was retrieved from the River Avon, it was examined and nothing in the was found that might have made it go into the river, the jury heard.

Mr Reeds said: &quot;The prosecution say the cause was a deliberate and settled decision by the defendant to kill himself and his children by driving into the river.

&quot;He says he didn't intend to harm either of them, but the prosecution say his actions speak for themselves.

&quot;If a person drives his children into a river on a freezing cold day in February - well, what else can they intend but to kill them?&quot;

The trial continues.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-12614827

[Suesumba]

Re: what you think

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You think Susan Smith was mentally ill?

pure evil. her lover at the time didn't want children adamantly, so she got rid of the children in hopes of being with him.</div></div>

[sistactry]

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a tru man, some ppl dyaamm evil, but me still dem mad to, mentally ill AND evil,

memba, the father who took the child out in his back yard, held him down in the grass and and shot him like a dog, i think the boy did molest his sister or something so, (mental me tell u) mentally mad,

mentally mad we mek u do evil tings.....wedder u did evil or not

[Yuriatin]

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Thank you - my point exactly.

One could argue, that in itself would classify as a mental illness but, imho - just pure evil.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You think Susan Smith was mentally ill?

pure evil. <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">her lover at the time didn't want children adamantly, so she got rid of the children in hopes of being with him</span></span>.</div></div>

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[sistactry]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You think Susan Smith was mentally ill?

pure evil. her lover at the time didn't want children adamantly, so she got rid of the children in hopes of being with him.</div></div>

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but to me, dat still spell madness

[sistactry]

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Florida....the 2yr old boy who killed his mother (she is jamaican)

the father who doesnt live with the mother, 33yr old Julia Bennett in miramar fl, who was visiting her at the time, claims that the 2yr old child got a hold of his glock and shot the mother....he has a concealed weapon license....now, it no tek no racket scientist fe figgah dis out, not a ting no go so, wha a lying and fool fool man...the womans family says, they never met him before, and dont want him in dem house a visit his son on visitation visits...me no blame dem, what a terrible man,

[mountaingal]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I definately believe there is mental illness out there in the world. Absolutely - that's a given.

MGee -<span style="font-style: italic"> are you saying that every parent who kills their child does it because they're mentally ill?

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i'm saying parents who kill themselves and their children are mentally ill.