What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

[mountaingal]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So do you honestly believe that the CIA, Mossad and British MI6, with all their resources, money, high tech surveillance equipment, satellites that can read a newspaper over your shoulder, Echelon network, spies and paid informers, couldn't for TEN YEARS find the guy 'responsible' for killing almost 3,000 Americans?

You HONESTLY believe that? </div></div>

why do u not factor in the possibility that all those devices u mentioned are useful in western societies but may be ineffective in the terrain inhabited by bin Laden and his ilk? why do u not factor in the protection element - that folks may have been willing to hide OBL, or that he could have easily disguised himself in a culture where women are supposed to be covered head to toe?

i'm a little surprised, actually, that u put such store in the power and efficacy of all those western resources. clearly, if they were all so good, there would be no such thing as terrorism in this world, because those devices would have stopped it before it started.

[Derek]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So do you honestly believe that the CIA, Mossad and British MI6, with all their resources, money, high tech surveillance equipment, satellites that can read a newspaper over your shoulder, Echelon network, spies and paid informers, couldn't for TEN YEARS find the guy 'responsible' for killing almost 3,000 Americans?

You HONESTLY believe that? </div></div>

why do u not factor in the possibility that all those devices u mentioned are useful in western societies but may be ineffective in the terrain inhabited by bin Laden and his ilk? why do u not factor in the protection element - that folks may have been willing to hide OBL, or that he could have easily disguised himself in a culture where women are supposed to be covered head to toe?

i'm a little surprised, actually, that u put such store in the power and efficacy of all those western resources. clearly, if they were all so good, there would be no such thing as terrorism in this world, because those devices would have stopped it before it started. </div></div>

Why don't you factor in the power, reach and efficiency of these organisations?
I'm a little surprised.


And it's forbidden for men to dress up like women.

[mountaingal]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

lookya dahjah, malcolm x is one of my heroes, and if he is one of yours, u would tek time before posting nonsense that purport to say that malcolm x would denounce barack.

everybody so bc ready fi talk fi mx when it comes to the us, but what about speculating about what mx would say about jihadists?

when he became an alhaji, mx became a great contextualist, and his world view lengthened. all this rc navelgazing and placing blame on the us alone without considering broader historical and contemporary issues is the last thing mx would have done, if we are to consider the consistency of his character.

where is the commentary and speculation that would have mx blasting bin laden and alquaeda in somalia and all those other places, doing murder in the name of islam?

[jah_yout]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where is the commentary and speculation that would have mx blasting bin laden and alquaeda in somalia and all those other places, doing murder in the name of islam? </div></div>


is it not possible he could have criticized both parties?

after all he criticized his own spiritual leader - elijah muhammad- about the young gyal preggers ting

[RichD]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lookya dahjah, malcolm x is one of my heroes, and if he is one of yours, u would tek time before posting nonsense that purport to say that malcolm x would denounce barack.

everybody so bc ready fi talk fi mx when it comes to the us, but what about speculating about what mx would say about jihadists?

when he became an alhaji, mx became a great contextualist, and his world view lengthened. all this rc navelgazing and placing blame on the us alone without considering broader historical and contemporary issues is the last thing mx would have done, if we are to consider the consistency of his character.

where is the commentary and speculation that would have mx blasting bin laden and alquaeda in somalia and all those other places, doing murder in the name of islam?
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but that would not suit the desired narative

[jah_yout]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lookya dahjah, malcolm x is one of my heroes, and if he is one of yours, u would tek time before posting nonsense that purport to say that malcolm x would denounce barack.

everybody so bc ready fi talk fi mx when it comes to the us, but what about speculating about what mx would say about jihadists?

when he became an alhaji, mx became a great contextualist, and his world view lengthened. all this rc navelgazing and placing blame on the us alone without considering broader historical and contemporary issues is the last thing mx would have done, if we are to consider the consistency of his character.

where is the commentary and speculation that would have mx blasting bin laden and alquaeda in somalia and all those other places, doing murder in the name of islam?
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but that would not suit the desired narative </div></div>

that's a non-issue;
he would have denounced the killing of innocents for political purposes committed by al qaeda or any other terrorist organization--
AND he would have denounced killing of innocents for political purposes by the u.s president &amp; gov't;

they are not mutually exclusive as the corporate press would have us believe

[mountaingal]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why don't you factor in the power, reach and efficiency of these organisations?
I'm a little surprised.


And it's forbidden for men to dress up like women. </div></div>

history is replete with the failure of organizations, especially when they operate from hubris.

somehow, i doubt obl or any serious jihadist with a war mindset would care about a thing like wearing women's clothes, if in the end it serves a strategic purpose.

anyhoo, mi a bow out of this convo.

[mountaingal]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where is the commentary and speculation that would have mx blasting bin laden and alquaeda in somalia and all those other places, doing murder in the name of islam? </div></div>


is it not possible he could have criticized both parties?

after all he criticized his own spiritual leader - elijah muhammad- about the young gyal preggers ting </div></div>

jy - its a fair question, mi wi come back to this later.

[Wahalla]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where is the commentary and speculation that would have mx blasting bin laden and alquaeda in somalia and all those other places, doing murder in the name of islam? </div></div>


is it not possible he could have criticized both parties?

after all he criticized his own spiritual leader - elijah muhammad- about the young gyal preggers ting </div></div>

I wasnt going to comment because I thought.. How can they know what a man who world veiw changed multiple times would have thought... I have heard so many mis claims that it makes no sense.. but MG comment dove tails into my opnion of Malcom X or what ever name u chose to give him....

would he have condemed the US for bombing ?
Would he have condemned the Bahtist regime in Iraq for the marsh arabs massacres or the posion gas against the Kurds ?
Would he have condemned the russian colonail experimetn in Afanistan ?
would he have condemned the kletocrasys of Africa and the middle east ?
Would he have supported the Gaddfis invasion of Chad ?
Or Gaddfis nationalistion of the Libyan economy which took all second homes away from home owners ? Given the import that islam placed on property rights ....
Would he have suppoted the intervention by the west in Libya ?
or the invasion of Uganda by Tanazania ?
would he have supported the concept of a islamic goverment in Iran given its [censored] bent ?
would he have supported the Taliban for their take over of Afganistan ?
Would he have condemened the Taliban for the ban on womens education ?
Would he have supported OBL for the campaign against the Russians ?
Would he have supported the crahing into the WTC on 9 !!...???


In my mind he would have had a nuanced more subtle aproach that the blanket statements and opnions given to him... (one thing that he mentioned that [censored] him off people simple saw him as only being interested in &quot;black&quot; issues..He mentionedthis in the autobigraphy.. now one asked him about space travel! This was a man who took his wife to an museum for his first date. I like MG beleive he would come to this with a whole arsenal of infromation with which to see world evetns ??

my thing about the conspirasy theorist is that why do they grant such power to the west its technology ? But disregard the skills inteligence commitment of the Arabs ? Then at the same time tell us that black man invented Algerbra, Spain, Astronomy ? Europeans had no civilisation they stole it all from the Africans and Arabs.. so what happened to all the smart commited Arabs and Africans.. Did they all die out ? did their children mysteriously become dumb since Al andalus ...?

I know that

I have meet CIA , yanki diplomats and just say I think that Bruce Golding and PJ are smater than the lot of them !

[Wahalla]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where is the commentary and speculation that would have mx blasting bin laden and alquaeda in somalia and all those other places, doing murder in the name of islam? </div></div>


is it not possible he could have criticized both parties?

after all he criticized his own spiritual leader - elijah muhammad- about the young gyal preggers ting </div></div>

jy - its a fair question, mi wi come back to this later. </div></div>

More importantly he critised his leader for misinterpreting the rictuals and theology of Islam. Islam does acknowlege human failures, weakness and tolerance for people of the book...(He made the comment he had to redo the conversion rictual before doing the Haj....)

[johnnycakes]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

&quot;malcolm x is one of my heroes,'



When he saw through the BS that is the racism of the Nation of Islam and evolved in his thinking when and after he made his hajj, Malcolm X changed his name from that which the NOI used .

It disrespects the man and his exemplary social evolution to continue to use the name he used when he was associated with the NOI. It's insulting to all he stood for to call him Malcom X.

If el hajj Malik el Shabbazz is too much trouble to type out, call him Malik or brother Malik but not Malcolm X. That is an insult

[mountaingal]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

jc, u are the last person i would heed when it comes to speaking of mx.

[johnnycakes]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

mx.



Who is this man whose memory you are disrespecting by calling him mx ?

It's no way to show respect or love for one of your heroes.

Do you think HE would have wanted you to refer to him using what to him was as bad as his slave name, Malcom Little.

You may not want to listen to me but someone should let you know that what you're doing insults the man and all he stood for when he became the great man he was and all he still is.

[mountaingal]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

again, u r confusing me with someone who gives a crap what u think. jc, leave it alone.

[Emperah]

Re: What Would Malcolm Say About Obama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lookya dahjah, malcolm x is one of my heroes, and if he is one of yours, u would tek time before posting nonsense that purport to say that malcolm x would denounce barack.

everybody so bc ready fi talk fi mx when it comes to the us, but what about speculating about what mx would say about jihadists?

when he became an alhaji, mx became a great contextualist, and his world view lengthened. all this rc navelgazing and placing blame on the us alone without considering broader historical and contemporary issues is the last thing mx would have done, if we are to consider the consistency of his character.

where is the commentary and speculation that would have mx blasting bin laden and alquaeda in somalia and all those other places, doing murder in the name of islam?
</div></div>

Why do you believe he wouldn't denounce Obama?
He wasn't blinded by colour like it seems many have become.
Good works is good works and any ones administration weh jus a cyarry on de works of de last one cannot be seen as good.
And yes he would also be against those so-called muslims who a carry on de way some of these a gwaan. Mi nuh kno why yuh a mek dis hot yuh suh much, de real big question is why ppl jus a believe a man is so good jus cah him blk.