Television is not the Truth

[jah_yout]

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it's curious why they used a grainy black & white camera when better cameras were available;
and nasa controlled the TV feed from one monitor

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[johnnycakes]

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jah_yout,

There were just too many people involved in the moon shot and the other space trips to make any sort of a faked trip to be possible. Someone would have blabbed by now.
Powerful telescopes surely followed the craft way beyond simple orbit, telescopes not under government control. Radar can detect objects way out in space.
Radio messages can be figured on time and distance and there must be many other scientific ways for a real trip or a fake trip to be verified.

Simple conspiracy with no base in fact, does not hold up.

Secondly, I don't see what the purpose of faking the trip would be would be.
The benefits are far outweighed by the negatives if discovered to be a fake.

The belief in the existence of God/Jah/Allah has far less proof behind it than does the moon shot which even if it were a fake is far more probable than the existence of an invisible supreme being.

Now THAT'S a conspiracy that exceeds all others in having us believe the unbelievable and the success of that conspiracy today and the reluctance to question those beliefs while things like the very real (IMO) moon shot are quite readily disbelieved , just boggles me.

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There were just too many people involved in the moon shot and the other space trips to make any sort of a faked trip to be possibl. Someone would have blabbed by now.</div></div>

are you sure?
how many people are in on the highest level decision-making backrooms for the organizations they work for?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Powerful telescopes <span style="font-weight: bold">surely</span> followed the craft way beyond simple orbit, telescopes not under government control. Radar can detect objects way out in space.
Radio messages can be figured on time and distance and there must be many other scientific ways for a real trip or a fake trip to be verified.</div></div>

you are speculating...it's almost as if you were involved in in the trip &amp; outside observers

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Simple conspiracy with no base in fact, does not hold up.</div></div>

but where is your base in fact?
you have simply been taught that this occurred &amp; you accept it based on your knowledge &amp; experience

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Secondly, I don't see what the purpose of faking the trip would be would be.
The benefits are far outweighed by the negatives if discovered to be a fake.</div></div>

the fact that you don't see it does not mean it could not have been done

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The belief in the existence of God/Jah/Allah has far less proof behind it than does the moon shot which even if it were a fake is far more probable than the existence of an invisible supreme being.</div></div>

no one can prove the existence of an invisible supreme being...
but man can prove we went to the moon by either going back or bringing civilians to the moon...or at the very least capturing the images of the equipment left behind by the previous moon missions...
neither has happened in 4 decades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now THAT'S a conspiracy that exceeds all others in having us believe the unbelievable and the success of that conspiracy today and the reluctance to question those beliefs while things like the very real (IMO) moon shot are quite readily disbelieved , just boggles me.</div></div>

the existence or non-existence of supernatural beings (your concept of 'god') has no bearing whatsoever on whether the moon landings were faked or not...

you take their word for it...
these scientists don't; and they never mention &quot;god&quot; once...why do you?

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[johnnycakes]

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jah_yout,

You can choose to believe or disbelieve what you will.
We will not /cannot resolve this issue given the lack of evidence.

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it's curious why they used a grainy black &amp; white camera when better cameras were available;
and nasa controlled the TV feed from one monitor

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[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it's curious why they used a grainy black &amp; white camera when better cameras were available;
and nasa controlled the TV feed from one monitor

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That was the best quality transmission they could get from the onboard equipment of the time.
What is Do difficult to believe about the moon landing anyway?

the Chinese Did it last year is that impossible too?

You need to take dome serious interstate in physics if you want to be prepared for the 21st century.
you are quibbling about something That happened probably before you were born.
come on young man you can't lead without appropriate knowledge.
set your priorities right.

[johnnycakes]

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Which is the fake?

I think it is a tribute to good old U.S ingenuity and technology that they got that entire TV film crew to the moon and that they discovered a top-secret way for them to walk around in 1/6th gravity and perfect vacuum without a visible space suit.
AND how about the multi-thousand mile extension cord to run the TV lights?

Let's see the Russkies or the Chi-Coms do that.

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">great example of TV brainwashing;

the majority of the world still think we landed on the moon because they saw it on TV and the gov't says we did--- so it must be true </div></div>

jah_yout,
Don't make me lower my high opinion of you.
While I go along with a coverup on the Kennedy assassination, there are just too many conspiracy theories out there that either don't make sense or that don't matter.

The fact that we can and do regularly achieve space flight makes that trip to the moon entirely plausible. The tough part is getting outside Earth's gravity.
Once that is done ( and there is no question that THAT has been done is there?) the planning and navigation to the moon is relatively easy.

Of course the entire space program is a military mission meant to instill fear in the real and potential U.S adversaries and is a HUGE waste of money that could have been spent on alleviating human suffering were the United States concerned about such things.. </div></div>

jc you might have to knock down your opinion of me a few notches because i am not convinced we landed on the moon;
if it was as easy as you say certainly we could have gone back even <span style="font-weight: bold">once</span> in the past 40 years with technology being so much better now than it was then...6 times in 3 years yet 0 times in 40 years?? hmmmm
when has cost ever prevented the US from doing something to highlight their supremacy...4 wars says it never does;
also nixon was president during those supposed moon landings- another red flag for me...
also the hubbel should be capable of taking clear detailed photos of anything we left behind on the moon--it has done nothing of the sort;

they have space stations that they have pumped billions of dollars into along with other nations...
yet in 40 years not one human has set foot on the moon after it was seemingly a cakewalk 4 decades ago...

its possible we may have been hoodwinked

and yea- kennedy knew too much;
but a lot of people still think lee harvey oswald did it---
and it ends there because we all saw him get shot on TV </div></div>
A little reminder That the us went to the moon as a 'dare'.
Just to one up the Russians who was first to put a satellite in space and tgr first to put man in space.
president Kennedy had to do That to return some technological cred to the USA.
once That Was done There Was no reason to keep going to the moon. That is Why there have been no recent landings.
Now That the Chinese have shown interest the us will simply do something That will outshine them.
That is Why they have retired the space shuttle program to go back to the technology capable of going to the moon And further.

[Derek]

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I'm not saying man did not go to the Moon. But has anyone on here seen an American documentary where a guy interviews astronauts, then pulls out a bible and says, 'Put your hand on this bible and swear you went to the moon!'

Not one astronaut would do it. A couple became abusive.

[R_C]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the majority of the world still think we landed on the moon because they saw it on TV and the gov't says we did--- so it must be true </div></div>

There us more to it that than that JY. The design, construction and science of aircraft and spacecraft and the application of the science behind the forces and physical properties of aircraft, rockets, and spacecraft are well established fields of study . I know of no one whose expertise is based on their training in aerospace engineering who doubts that NASA was capable of landing a manned spacecraft on the moon. Furthermore, given the geopolitical realities of the time, that the Soviet Union was unable to provide evidence then that that was not the case speaks for itself.

[R_C]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not saying man did not go to the Moon. But has anyone on here seen an American documentary where a guy interviews astronauts, then pulls out a bible and says, 'Put your hand on this bible and swear you went to the moon!'

Not one astronaut would do it. A couple became abusive. </div></div>

So what ?

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the Chinese Did it last year is that impossible too?</div></div>


the chinese have landed humans on the moon?
this is news to me

care to watch this docum?


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[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not saying man did not go to the Moon. But has anyone on here seen an American documentary where a guy interviews astronauts, then pulls out a bible and says, 'Put your hand on this bible and swear you went to the moon!'

Not one astronaut would do it. A couple became abusive. </div></div>

So what ? </div></div>

So what what?

Numerous professional photographers have studied those pictures and pointed out anomalies concerning light and shadow.
Numerous scientists have mentioned the impossibility of man surviving the radiation prevalent in the Van Allen Belt.

I personally believe man landed on the moon the the 1980s and the 1960s claim was no more than a ploy to get one over the Russians. The technology wasn't quite ready in the 1960s.

[Dr.Dudd]

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The documentary start out on eroneous speculation then solar flares would be dangerous on the surface of the moon.
He does not understand that the moon is sometimes equal distance and sometimes much further from the sun than the earth is.

Not to mention than solar flares affect magnet field and the magnetic field of the moon is too weak to make a difference from the distance the sun is from it.

It is not worth my time to watch the whole 13 plus minutes based on such parameters he presented.

[R_C]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what what?</div></div>

So what does that prove ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Numerous professional photographers have studied those pictures and pointed out anomalies concerning light and shadow.</div></div>

Who are they ? What &quot;anomalies concerning light and shadow&quot; are you talking about ?. Where is this published ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Numerous scientists have mentioned the impossibility of man surviving the radiation prevalent in the Van Allen Belt.</div></div>

Who are they ? Where is this published ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally believe man landed on the moon the the 1980s and the 1960s claim was no more than a ploy to get one over the Russians.The technology wasn't quite ready in the 1960s. </div></div>

And &quot;the Russians&quot; have been silent about this because ?