OMG!!! Unno talk bout dis areddy????

[Derek]

Re: OMG!!! Unno talk bout dis areddy????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leddih</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

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Well said young man!

[ohliz]

Re: OMG!!! Unno talk bout dis areddy????

I just came to post that same video. He really covers it all, best response I have seen.

[barosa]

Re: OMG!!! Unno talk bout dis areddy????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xavier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did'nt Buju Banton sing a song that say &quot;'Everything wa gwaan a farrin a di yardie get di blame&quot; </div></div>
I haven't heard the song, but I think Buju is not too far off.. We yardies have blazed a trail across all corners of the Global landscape to such an extent that our culture is becomming a dominant one.. I could sense David Strarkey's fear that the beloved UK of his ancesters is fast becomming a &quot;strange&quot; land.. Aparentlly, he seems to be directing most of his anger towards those &quot;black whites&quot; who are well enmeshed in all facets of the Jamaican culture... Im no si nutt'n yet, giv im annadda generation, im wi soon fiind out.. Mi feel sarry fi imm.. Poor ting!!
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Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown..

[jah_yout]

Re: OMG!!! Unno talk bout dis areddy????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leddih</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

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Well said young man! </div></div>

yute well intelligent!

[neutral]

Re: OMG!!! Unno talk bout dis areddy????

And yet another black voice,a well respected one,......talking from a different perspective.





Don't howl Starkey down. Gangsta culture is a poison spreading among youths of all races
By TONY SEWELL
Last updated at 8:25 PM on 15th August 2011




As the aftershocks from last week's violent disorder ripple across Britain, a febrile mood hangs over the nation.
The air is filled with tension and anxiety. Explosive controversies are now flaring up over a host of issues, from zero-tolerance policing to public expenditure cuts.
Now, the historian Dr David Starkey has sparked a conflagration of his own.
During a debate about the disturbances on BBC2's Newsnight, Dr Starkey argued that one of the central problems was the influence of a 'violent, destructive and nihilistic' black culture that had corrupted too many of Britain’s youngsters.
Warming to his theme, he said: ‘A substantial section of the chavs have become black. The whites have become black. Black and white, boy and girl, operate in this language together&amp;#8201;.&amp;#8201;.&amp;#8201;. which is wholly false, which is a Jamaican patois that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country.’
He then further stoked the flames by adding that Enoch Powell was right in warning, more than 40 years ago, that immigration would ultimately cause conflict across our cities.
Dr Starkey’s outburst not only outraged his fellow panellists in the BBC studio, but also many commentators who watched the show, even though over the weekend he insisted that he ‘was not talking about skin colour but gang culture’.


Piers Morgan called him a ‘racist idiot’ and pronounced Starkey’s television career to be over. Robert Peston, the BBC’s business editor, accused him of ‘nasty ignorance’.
As a black academic and head of an organisation that encourages young blacks to apply for university, I might be thought of as an obvious candidate to join this swelling chorus of disapproval.
And I cannot dispute the fact that David Starkey is guilty of blundering, both through his unfortunate choice of expression and through the falsity of some of his opinions.
It is absurd, for instance, to claim that last week’s carnage proved that Powell was right

As Dr Starkey should know, what Powell predicted on our streets were race riots, but the recent looting was nothing of the sort. The violence was not perpetrated by one ethnic group against another. There was no racial dimension to the targets of the attacks. Asian, white and black shopkeepers and businesses all came under assault, while many of the criminal gangs, especially outside London, were multi-ethnic.
David Starkey is not a figure who has much credibility when pontificating about black youth culture. With his donnish demeanour and Fifties voice, he hardly exudes experience of the wider world. Cloistered lecture rooms and candlelit dining halls are his province, not the mean urban streets of London and Birmingham.

Warning: Dr Starkey further stoked the flames by adding that Enoch Powell (pictured) was right in saying, more than 40 years ago, that immigration would ultimately cause conflict across our cities
And he seems to take an almost malicious delight in provoking rows. Not for nothing was he once known as ‘the rudest man in Britain’.
Yet, for all my dislike of what he said, I feel uneasy about the howling, strident anger that has been unleashed against him. This is partly because I think that, in the current debate about our social malaise, it is wrong to silence any voice through a form of politically correct McCarthyism.
We will achieve nothing if we create a mood of absolute conformity by hurling accusations of racism at those with whom we disagree. Freedom of speech is too important to become another casualty of the riots.
More importantly, I feel that Dr Starkey, in his own clumsy way, may have stumbled on a difficult truth about the influence of black youth culture.
For, despite the attempts of some apologists to dress up the looting as a political act against an oppressive Tory establishment, the fact is that the ethos of materialism — or ‘bling’ to use the street term — that pervades urban black youth played a major part in the widespread criminality perpetrated by rioters of all races.
That is why the looters targeted specific stores that are cherished in this culture, such as those selling mobile phones, trainers, sports clothes or widescreen TVs. Let’s face it, there were no reports of the vandals looting bookshops or public libraries.
What motivated the troublemakers was not genuine poverty but rather a raw acquisitiveness that is fuelled by so much in this black-led youth culture, from the imagery in rap videos to the lyrics of hip-hop music. The twin central themes of this world are sex and material possessions.

It is a milieu that glories in loose women and fast cars, in macho dominance and easy wealth. Concepts of restraint, hard work and personal responsibility are absent. Respect is something to be demanded rather than earned.
So much of the music and the video output is close to pornographic, with women degradingly treated as little more than sex objects. In this world, the highest ideal to which a man can aspire is to be a philandering, gun-wielding gang leader.
Where I believe Dr Starkey is right is that it is now just as likely to be a white or Asian teenager posing on the internet in baggy designer clothes and dripping in gold chains, either waving a weapon of some kind or pointing their fingers at the camera in a grotesque parody of a shooting.
Where I believe Dr Starkey is right is that it is now just as likely to be a white or Asian teenager posing on the internet in baggy designer clothes and dripping in gold chains, either waving a weapon of some kind or pointing their fingers at the camera in a grotesque parody of a shooting.
Tragically, this has become the acme of ‘cool’ for a generation of youngsters, regardless of the colour of their skin.
Even the boy whose Spanish-born mother may be evicted from her council house after his arrest for looting last week was photographed in an oversized rapper-style cap and T-shirt with a skull motif.
A key aspect of ‘gangsta’ culture — one that we saw writ large on the streets last week — is an utter disregard for the police and the rule of law. You only have to consider that one of the most controversial rap songs of the past two decades was called Cop Killer to understand the danger posed by these influences.
This is all a far cry from the black music culture that used to exist in the Sixties and Seventies. There were two main strands then, entirely different to those of today.
One was the demand for social justice for blacks, inspired by the flowing rhetoric of leaders such as Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. The second strand was a belief in the importance of romance, with men encouraged to be chivalrous and treat women properly


But from the mid-Eighties there was a dramatic change in tone. Justice and romance were out. Aggression and materialism were in. This was partly due to the rise of the television music channel MTV, which allowed explicit videos to be seen.
Cynical producers quickly realised there was a huge commercial market out there for this material, especially among young urban males. The arrival of the internet gave further impetus to this new style.
Furthermore, the continuing collapse of the traditional family meant many young blacks looked to their peers in street gangs for an alternative structure of support, which again reinforced the appeal of hip-hop and rap, in which those gangs were glorified.
All this helped to make black culture truly global. It soon became the dominant force among the world’s youth, from the U.S. to all of Europe.
So prevalent is this 'gangsta' culture that, if you get on a bus in London and shut your eyes, you will often not be able to tell the ethnicity of the young people who are speaking, since they all use the tone, phraseology and language patterns of black youths.
That’s why young white and Asian, often middle-class, Britons — anxious for a bit of street cred — adopted the language and clothes of the culture, as Sacha Baron Cohen so mercilessly parodied in his comic creation Ali G, a white teenager from Staines who is desperate to be seen as black. And here, I think, we are getting at what David Starkey wanted to convey.
So prevalent is this ‘gangsta’ culture that, if you get on a bus in London and shut your eyes, you will often not be able to tell the ethnicity of the young people who are speaking, since they all use the tone, phraseology and language patterns of black youths.
Now some might view this as a welcome development, a sign our society is truly a melting pot. But my great fear is that, in practice, we are limiting the opportunities of young people and denying them the chance to use the wonderful richness of English. If they all speak in a type of African-Caribbean creole, they will cut themselves off from mainstream society, which will drastically hurt their job prospects.
The sadness in all this is that, because of its global dominance, black culture could be a force for good if it were re-fashioned and channelled in a different direction. The willingness of white and Asian youths to embrace black music and culture shows that racism is not nearly as ingrained as some of the professional grievance-mongers claim.
But, at present, the culture is heading down the wrong street, a demeaning and negative one that can only lead to more social problems. In his own awkward way, that is precisely what David Starkey was trying to say.

* Tony Sewell is CEO of the charity Generating Genius


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...l#ixzz1VN3bbU6I

[Derek]

Re: OMG!!! Unno talk bout dis areddy????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral_browning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And yet another black voice,a well respected one,......talking from a different perspective.





Don't howl Starkey down. Gangsta culture is a poison spreading among youths of all races
By TONY SEWELL
Last updated at 8:25 PM on 15th August 2011




As the aftershocks from last week's violent disorder ripple across Britain, a febrile mood hangs over the nation.
The air is filled with tension and anxiety. Explosive controversies are now flaring up over a host of issues, from zero-tolerance policing to public expenditure cuts.
Now, the historian Dr David Starkey has sparked a conflagration of his own.
During a debate about the disturbances on BBC2's Newsnight, Dr Starkey argued that one of the central problems was the influence of a 'violent, destructive and nihilistic' black culture that had corrupted too many of Britain’s youngsters.
Warming to his theme, he said: ‘A substantial section of the chavs have become black. The whites have become black. Black and white, boy and girl, operate in this language together&amp;#8201;.&amp;#8201;.&amp;#8201;. which is wholly false, which is a Jamaican patois that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country.’
He then further stoked the flames by adding that Enoch Powell was right in warning, more than 40 years ago, that immigration would ultimately cause conflict across our cities.
Dr Starkey’s outburst not only outraged his fellow panellists in the BBC studio, but also many commentators who watched the show, even though over the weekend he insisted that he ‘was not talking about skin colour but gang culture’.


Piers Morgan called him a ‘racist idiot’ and pronounced Starkey’s television career to be over. Robert Peston, the BBC’s business editor, accused him of ‘nasty ignorance’.
As a black academic and head of an organisation that encourages young blacks to apply for university, I might be thought of as an obvious candidate to join this swelling chorus of disapproval.
And I cannot dispute the fact that David Starkey is guilty of blundering, both through his unfortunate choice of expression and through the falsity of some of his opinions.
It is absurd, for instance, to claim that last week’s carnage proved that Powell was right

As Dr Starkey should know, what Powell predicted on our streets were race riots, but the recent looting was nothing of the sort. The violence was not perpetrated by one ethnic group against another. There was no racial dimension to the targets of the attacks. Asian, white and black shopkeepers and businesses all came under assault, while many of the criminal gangs, especially outside London, were multi-ethnic.
David Starkey is not a figure who has much credibility when pontificating about black youth culture. With his donnish demeanour and Fifties voice, he hardly exudes experience of the wider world. Cloistered lecture rooms and candlelit dining halls are his province, not the mean urban streets of London and Birmingham.

Warning: Dr Starkey further stoked the flames by adding that Enoch Powell (pictured) was right in saying, more than 40 years ago, that immigration would ultimately cause conflict across our cities
And he seems to take an almost malicious delight in provoking rows. Not for nothing was he once known as ‘the rudest man in Britain’.
Yet, for all my dislike of what he said, I feel uneasy about the howling, strident anger that has been unleashed against him. This is partly because I think that, in the current debate about our social malaise, it is wrong to silence any voice through a form of politically correct McCarthyism.
We will achieve nothing if we create a mood of absolute conformity by hurling accusations of racism at those with whom we disagree. Freedom of speech is too important to become another casualty of the riots.
More importantly, I feel that Dr Starkey, in his own clumsy way, may have stumbled on a difficult truth about the influence of black youth culture.
For, despite the attempts of some apologists to dress up the looting as a political act against an oppressive Tory establishment, the fact is that the ethos of materialism — or ‘bling’ to use the street term — that pervades urban black youth played a major part in the widespread criminality perpetrated by rioters of all races.
That is why the looters targeted specific stores that are cherished in this culture, such as those selling mobile phones, trainers, sports clothes or widescreen TVs. Let’s face it, there were no reports of the vandals looting bookshops or public libraries.
What motivated the troublemakers was not genuine poverty but rather a raw acquisitiveness that is fuelled by so much in this black-led youth culture, from the imagery in rap videos to the lyrics of hip-hop music. The twin central themes of this world are sex and material possessions.

It is a milieu that glories in loose women and fast cars, in macho dominance and easy wealth. Concepts of restraint, hard work and personal responsibility are absent. Respect is something to be demanded rather than earned.
So much of the music and the video output is close to pornographic, with women degradingly treated as little more than sex objects. In this world, the highest ideal to which a man can aspire is to be a philandering, gun-wielding gang leader.
Where I believe Dr Starkey is right is that it is now just as likely to be a white or Asian teenager posing on the internet in baggy designer clothes and dripping in gold chains, either waving a weapon of some kind or pointing their fingers at the camera in a grotesque parody of a shooting.
Where I believe Dr Starkey is right is that it is now just as likely to be a white or Asian teenager posing on the internet in baggy designer clothes and dripping in gold chains, either waving a weapon of some kind or pointing their fingers at the camera in a grotesque parody of a shooting.
Tragically, this has become the acme of ‘cool’ for a generation of youngsters, regardless of the colour of their skin.
Even the boy whose Spanish-born mother may be evicted from her council house after his arrest for looting last week was photographed in an oversized rapper-style cap and T-shirt with a skull motif.
A key aspect of ‘gangsta’ culture — one that we saw writ large on the streets last week — is an utter disregard for the police and the rule of law. You only have to consider that one of the most controversial rap songs of the past two decades was called Cop Killer to understand the danger posed by these influences.
This is all a far cry from the black music culture that used to exist in the Sixties and Seventies. There were two main strands then, entirely different to those of today.
One was the demand for social justice for blacks, inspired by the flowing rhetoric of leaders such as Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. The second strand was a belief in the importance of romance, with men encouraged to be chivalrous and treat women properly


But from the mid-Eighties there was a dramatic change in tone. Justice and romance were out. Aggression and materialism were in. This was partly due to the rise of the television music channel MTV, which allowed explicit videos to be seen.
Cynical producers quickly realised there was a huge commercial market out there for this material, especially among young urban males. The arrival of the internet gave further impetus to this new style.
Furthermore, the continuing collapse of the traditional family meant many young blacks looked to their peers in street gangs for an alternative structure of support, which again reinforced the appeal of hip-hop and rap, in which those gangs were glorified.
All this helped to make black culture truly global. It soon became the dominant force among the world’s youth, from the U.S. to all of Europe.
So prevalent is this 'gangsta' culture that, if you get on a bus in London and shut your eyes, you will often not be able to tell the ethnicity of the young people who are speaking, since they all use the tone, phraseology and language patterns of black youths.
That’s why young white and Asian, often middle-class, Britons — anxious for a bit of street cred — adopted the language and clothes of the culture, as Sacha Baron Cohen so mercilessly parodied in his comic creation Ali G, a white teenager from Staines who is desperate to be seen as black. And here, I think, we are getting at what David Starkey wanted to convey.
So prevalent is this ‘gangsta’ culture that, if you get on a bus in London and shut your eyes, you will often not be able to tell the ethnicity of the young people who are speaking, since they all use the tone, phraseology and language patterns of black youths.
Now some might view this as a welcome development, a sign our society is truly a melting pot. But my great fear is that, in practice, we are limiting the opportunities of young people and denying them the chance to use the wonderful richness of English. If they all speak in a type of African-Caribbean creole, they will cut themselves off from mainstream society, which will drastically hurt their job prospects.
The sadness in all this is that, because of its global dominance, black culture could be a force for good if it were re-fashioned and channelled in a different direction. The willingness of white and Asian youths to embrace black music and culture shows that racism is not nearly as ingrained as some of the professional grievance-mongers claim.
But, at present, the culture is heading down the wrong street, a demeaning and negative one that can only lead to more social problems. In his own awkward way, that is precisely what David Starkey was trying to say.

* Tony Sewell is CEO of the charity Generating Genius


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...l#ixzz1VN3bbU6I </div></div>


<span style="font-weight: bold">Mr.Sewell,do not flatter yourself. Blaming blacks is merely starkey's way of diverting attention from the actual race who degrade morality in the UK i.e. the ones who control or encourage the porn industry, gambling, alcohol, free sex, capitalistic bankings and until recently,the media.</span>
- Jack, Milton Keynes,
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[Leddih]

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[Blackstar*]

Re: OMG!!! Unno talk bout dis areddy????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral_browning</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">... black-led youth culture, from the imagery in rap videos to the lyrics of hip-hop music. The twin central themes of this world are sex and material possessions.

It is a milieu that glories in loose women and fast cars, in macho dominance and easy wealth. Concepts of restraint, hard work and personal responsibility are absent. Respect is something to be demanded rather than earned.
So much of the music and the video output is close to pornographic, with women degradingly treated as little more than sex objects. In this world, the highest ideal to which a man can aspire is to be a philandering, gun-wielding gang leader.</span> </div></div>
Sewell is just as bad as Starkey. These issues that Sewell highlights did not originate with Jamaicans nor are they specific to any &quot;black&quot; culture.