Unemployment rate in the US

[RichD]

Re: Unemployment rate in the US

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If those who have given up looking for work altogether were counted, that would add more than another nine million, according to John Williams at ShadowStats.com. <span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">That brings the unemployment number to 23 percent</span></span>. This is confirmed by a recent Gallup poll that nearly one in every five Americans describe themselves as underemployed but it doesn’t count those who hold more than one job just to make ends meet.

http://thenewamerican.com/economy/co...mployment-rate </div></div>

poll confirmed the statistics? what was the margin of error in that poll? + ot - 5%?

as you say numbers can tell you any story ...and as i suggested use it as a trend.

[jah_yout]

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did you read where i wrote that the gov't does <span style="font-weight: bold">NOT</span> count people who have stopped looking for work as unemployed?
did you read that they do not count part-time workers who can't find full time work as unemployed?

what are you reading??
you seriously think the unemployment rate is under 9%???

Ron Paul:

<span style="font-style: italic">I think the downturn in the economy occurred in the year 2000 … [and no new jobs have been created] yet we’ve had a 30-million increase in population. Just go out and talk to the people — unemployment in the true numbers [is] over 20 percent, so there’s been a depression.</span>


---(from the same article)----

i just feel that 120,000 jobs when there are 50 million people looking for work, is a negligeble amount...
a far greater job philosophy is needed...this supposed addition of jobs is not as big a deal as it seems to the press reporting it

[RichD]

Re: Unemployment rate in the US

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">did you read where i wrote that the gov't does <span style="font-weight: bold">NOT</span> count people who have stopped looking for work as unemployed?
did you read that they do not count part-time workers who can't find full time work as unemployed?

what are you reading??
you seriously think the unemployment rate is under 9%???

Ron Paul:

<span style="font-style: italic">I think the downturn in the economy occurred in the year 2000 … [and no new jobs have been created] yet we’ve had a 30-million increase in population. Just go out and talk to the people — unemployment in the true numbers [is] over 20 percent, so there’s been a depression.</span>


---(from the same article)----

i just feel that 120,000 jobs when there are 50 million people looking for work, is a negligeble amount...
a far greater job philosophy is needed...this supposed addition of jobs is not as big a deal as it seems to the press reporting it </div></div>
i am not arguing what it is or isn't..i'm arguing that there is a tend and if you accept the calculation and say things are getting worse why would you not accept the same calculation showing things are getting better?

did you read how they make the calculation from the link i provided?



if in july it was 10,000 jobs..and it improve to 120,000 isn't that a step in the right direction?

[Wendy]

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I don't believe that the UE rate is 8% either.. because the way how they gather the data is flawed

I work for the US Census so I have a little bit of insight and also the Labor department reports a &quot;drop&quot; in UE insurance claims as if those people now have jobs. In this economy that is not the case. People insurance run out...and some are under employed flipping burgers or doing odd end jobs.

With that being said... you have to look at it as TREND analysis too.

By that I mean ..when the UE rate was 10% AKA 25%...they same was true .. under employed folks...insurance run out etc... You have to take into account now that some jobs were added and could have accounted for the drop ...But I repeat..I do not think the rate is truly 8%.

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">did you read where i wrote that the gov't does <span style="font-weight: bold">NOT</span> count people who have stopped looking for work as unemployed?
did you read that they do not count part-time workers who can't find full time work as unemployed?

what are you reading??
you seriously think the unemployment rate is under 9%???

Ron Paul:

<span style="font-style: italic">I think the downturn in the economy occurred in the year 2000 … [and no new jobs have been created] yet we’ve had a 30-million increase in population. Just go out and talk to the people — unemployment in the true numbers [is] over 20 percent, so there’s been a depression.</span>


---(from the same article)----

i just feel that 120,000 jobs when there are 50 million people looking for work, is a negligeble amount...
a far greater job philosophy is needed...this supposed addition of jobs is not as big a deal as it seems to the press reporting it </div></div>
i am not arguing what it is or isn't..i'm arguing that there is a tend and if you accept the calculation and say things are getting worse why would you not accept the same calculation showing things are getting better?

did you read how they make the calculation from the link i provided?



if in july it was 10,000 jobs..and it improve to 120,000 isn't that a step in the right direction? </div></div>

we've seen this &quot;trend&quot; stuff before and it is meaningless;
there is a percentage of jobs that are never coming back as well as a host of other issues...
these little statistics are a smoke-screen from the real issue;
that the american economy is fundamentally changed and the old model is dead...
a sure sign of a falling empire is sloth...they are unwilling or unable to interpret current realities and adapt to them...instead they rehash old tired ways of calculating and forecasting trying to will the country into the 'good old days' of lower unemployment;
america's gov't is so out of touch with reality that it's comical actually...
they will have to hire more police though--- so they can shut down the protests that are sure to grow over the worsening situation...despite whatever spin the gov't wants to put on it

[jah_yout]

Re: Unemployment rate in the US

Of course, it’s not all good news.

In the past three months, the economy has added an average of 114,000 net jobs each month, barely enough to keep up with the population growth.

And a discouraging report on jobless claims released Wednesday shows weekly <span style="font-weight: bold">applications for unemployment benefits rose by 6,000 to 402,000 in the week that ended Nov. 26, according to the Department of Labor.</span>

With 14 million Americans out of work (yea right- the number much higher than that), the economy needs to add about 250,000 jobs a month to substantially bring down the unemployment rate even more, according to economists.

And Europe's financial crisis threatens to slow U.S. growth next year, which could mean bad news for President Obama, whose re-election chances hinge on an improved economy.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...rticle-1.985776

[RichD]

Re: Unemployment rate in the US

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
we've seen this &quot;trend&quot; stuff before and it is meaningless;
there is a percentage of jobs that are never coming back as well as a host of other issues...
these little statistics are a smoke-screen from the real issue;
that the american economy is fundamentally changed and the old model is dead...
a sure sign of a falling empire is sloth...they are unwilling or unable to interpret current realities and adapt to them...instead they rehash old tired ways of calculating and forecasting trying to will the country into the 'good old days' of lower unemployment;
america's gov't is so out of touch with reality that it's comical actually...
they will have to hire more police though--- so they can shut down the protests that are sure to grow over the worsening situation...despite whatever spin the gov't wants to put on it </div></div>

is it the government or the people who have not faced the reality? remember the government is just a reflection of the people. you have a leader who is about to be replace because he has a different vision of the direction the country should go..... he will be replace by somebody clinging to the old dreams. so is it the government or the people?

[jah_yout]

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if you consider what the gov't did during the new deal after the great depression i would say it is the gov't...

they have lowered taxes on the richest ---so rates are now far lower than they were in the past;
income disparity is the greatest it has ever been...there are more billionaires than ever...CEO pay is beyond astronomical;

the gov't not even showing that they would even consider any type of new-deal style programs to benefit the common people or repair america's rotting infrastructure of bridges, roads &amp; rails...

and i don't blame this all on obama...it's the whole pile of dung in all 3 houses of gov't

[blugiant]

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jy wat do yu know bout U-6 cah fe dem figure is 15.6 aff de total us civilian wukkforce. juss imagine oww iigh itt reallee iss fe blakk peeps. maybee dat y dem doan brukk itt dunn bye race ann y dem doan bigg upp dat numba


guv figure on the real unemployment

U-6 Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force





<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of course, it’s not all good news.

In the past three months, the economy has added an average of 114,000 net jobs each month, barely enough to keep up with the population growth.

And a discouraging report on jobless claims released Wednesday shows weekly <span style="font-weight: bold">applications for unemployment benefits rose by 6,000 to 402,000 in the week that ended Nov. 26, according to the Department of Labor.</span>

With 14 million Americans out of work (yea right- the number much higher than that), the economy needs to add about 250,000 jobs a month to substantially bring down the unemployment rate even more, according to economists.

And Europe's financial crisis threatens to slow U.S. growth next year, which could mean bad news for President Obama, whose re-election chances hinge on an improved economy.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...rticle-1.985776 </div></div>

[RichD]

Re: Unemployment rate in the US

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jy wat do yu know bout U-6 cah fe dem figure is 15.6 aff de total us civilian wukkforce. juss imagine oww iigh itt reallee iss fe blakk peeps. maybee dat y dem doan brukk itt dunn bye race ann y dem doan bigg upp dat numba


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they do break it down by race:

RIGHT HERE

[j-kid]

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Democrats: &quot;Gwey wid dat! Unnu can goh suck ah lemon, please!&quot;


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WeNdY_PeNdY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

And prepare fi si di ediat Democrats dem with with no sensible rebutal to dat foolishness. \o/ </div></div>

what would a sensible rebuttal be? </div></div>

[jamaica_dreamin]

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I am sick of the &quot;you're lucky you have a job attitude by employers.

[j-kid]

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Yep, dem use di phrasing wen dem waa tek advantage ah people without properly compensating dem fi dem labor.

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jamaica_dreamin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am sick of the &quot;you're lucky you have a job attitude by employers. </div></div>


that attitude is shared by the work force as well...

the people are completely terrorized by the new feudal overlords...so they put out news spins like this to tell the people &quot;don't worry be happy&quot;
while we run off with all your money and hard work

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
i think they take into account people who have stopped looking...they have been doing this calculation for a while.</div></div>
On the contrary: They <span style="font-weight: bold">do not</span> take into account anybody who has quit looking for work or whose unemployment benefits have run out - even if said people are still jobless.

That's ^ the government's arithmatic.