nypd kill unarmed blakk yuth

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe cuz I see how the bahamas gov helps sometimes, for example, about 2 yrs ago higglers were arrested for buying designer bag knock-offs in ny &amp; the gob helped them, now new laws have been passed to allow bahamians living abroad to vote in the 2012 elections-just a different pov and philosophy about the role of govt
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that is a different case..the GOJ goes to bat for farm workers etc. look at what they did for the lady who was hassled in Barbados.

[mangoskin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">from the postings it appeared that he's Jamaican, true they migrated, but if Rev. Al can do something, I feel that even for PR purposes they should give aid and comfort..
I know they only care about the remittances... </div></div>

i don't think its a matter of care...this would be an issue of sovereignty
. sure that could give some consolation in private but they should not interfere in justice system of a sovereign country. </div></div>but the us intervenes to help abroad all the time..thank God for Rev. Al
wouldn't be an issue of sovereignty to assist the family (some of whom reside in Ja, like the grandfather who Rev Al is trying to get to attend the funeral-wonder if he has us visa?) </div></div>

the intervene on behalf of American citizens temporarily living outside the country. not on behalf of Americans who have migrated to other countries?

i would see nothing wrong with the gov assisting with the grandfather getting a visa. i don't think the Jamaican government is in a position to sponsor the grandfathers trip and i'm not sure if that is a precedent that should be set. </div></div> ok from a financial aspect, point taken

[sistactry]

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ohhh, a so u mean.....forgive me mango, me kinna slow sometimes, al dow me no see how goj can help dem....dem fe have one advocate for the countries, like how dem have embassy, and if somethign like this happen, we suppose to can call on them, for help.....all dem good fah a fe gi title, and it naa no have no meaning, KT

[mangoskin]

Re: nypd kill unarmed blakk yuth

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe cuz I see how the bahamas gov helps sometimes, for example, about 2 yrs ago higglers were arrested for buying designer bag knock-offs in ny &amp; the gob helped them, now new laws have been passed to allow bahamians living abroad to vote in the 2012 elections-just a different pov and philosophy about the role of govt
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that is a different case..the GOJ goes to bat for farm workers etc. look at what they did for the lady who was hassled in Barbados. </div></div>ok, food for thought regarding obtaining citizenship in country of residence...really have to have a plan and consider everything

[mangoskin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ohhh, a so u mean.....forgive me mango, me kinna slow sometimes, al dow me no see how goj can help dem....dem fe have one advocate for the countries, like how dem have embassy, and if somethign like this happen, we suppose to can call on them, for help.....all dem good fah a fe gi title, and it naa no have no meaning, KT </div></div> no problem ..I suppose too, the issue of goj responsibility/obligation can be argued.
Maybe the Jamaican or international diplomatic laws and agreements speak on this

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=RichD]]ok, food for thought regarding obtaining citizenship in country of residence...really have to have a plan and consider everything </div></div>
is not just a matter of citizenship.

when yuh think about it...you indicate you are going to live permanently in another country..you working there paying taxes there...sure you maintain your citizenship birthright but what does your country of birth really owe you?

[mangoskin]

Re: nypd kill unarmed blakk yuth

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=RichD]]ok, food for thought regarding obtaining citizenship in country of residence...really have to have a plan and consider everything </div></div>
is not just a matter of citizenship.

when yuh think about it...you indicate you are going to live permanently in another country..you working there paying taxes there...sure you maintain your citizenship birthright but what does your country of birth really owe you? </div></div>food for thought, this was an excellent topic that brought to light issues emigrants(?) have to consider..especially if an emergency/crisis arises..
Who to legally call on or depend on for assistance..how to interact with authorities (in this case the aggressive police). I suppose community involvement where we live can be a good start, so many things to plan for.

[blugiant]

Re: nypd kill unarmed blakk yuth

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And to add insult to injury, they held the Grand mother at the station for hours and would not release her until a politician called to ask why they were holding her.....Can you imagine? After witnessing her grand child get killed, she was subject to harassment, thrown on the ground and treated like a common criminal....


me juss no understand how dem could be soooo cold and heartless, </div></div>

mii neva figgit wen mii furst cum a farreen wan aff mii friend fadder, a police, tell mii iff mii ave annee dealinn widd police give dem mi name ann address onlee ann ask fe a lawyer. imm sed noo mattar oww much dem try fe pressure yuh doan sey anneeting. more blakk peeps need fe kno diss ann teach itt to dem yuths

mii read point de gun inna de grandmaddar face, tekk ar inna police custody, aftah five ann half hours she gitt a lawyer, add to give a recarded statement to de prosecutors ann dem finallee released ar 7 hours later

mii wander on wat ground dem held ar cah ar rites might ave been violated. raises qwestian bout ar lawyer allowinn ar fe give testimony under duress. wandar y ar lawyer neva tell dem fe charge ar widd sintinn ar shii wood walk out since shi wass onle inna police custody

[blugiant]

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Focus on Police Treatment of Witness After Shooting


After a police officer fatally shot an 18-year-old man in his Bronx apartment on Thursday, the man’s grandmother, a witness to the shooting, was taken into custody and held against her will for several hours, a friend of the family said on Saturday.

The officer confronted the man, Ramarley Graham, who was in the bathroom, possibly trying to flush marijuana down the toilet. A moment later, a shot rang out, killing the teenager.

While narcotics officers had followed Mr. Graham to the apartment on East 229th Street in Wakefield thinking he was armed, no gun was found, making the grandmother, Patricia Hartley, 58, a crucial witness. The shooting seems to be drawing the sort of close scrutiny that attended the killing of Sean Bell, who died in a hail of 50 police bullets in Queens in November 2006.

Little is known of precisely what Ms. Hartley saw and what of that she has told detectives. But her treatment by the police in the hours after her grandson was killed could become a sticking point in the investigation.

After Mr. Graham was killed, Ms. Hartley was taken to the 47th Precinct station house on Laconia Avenue and held for seven hours, said Carlton Berkley, a friend of the family’s who said he had retired from the police force as a detective in the 30th Precinct, in Upper Manhattan. Mr. Berkley added that Ms. Hartley was forced to give a statement about what happened.

“She gave it against her will,” Mr. Berkley said. “She didn’t want to speak to the police.”

Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman, provided a timeline of Ms. Hartley’s interviews with detectives and prosecutors. At 7 p.m., he said, she was “naturally upset but cooperative.”

Mr. Browne said Ms. Hartley spent five and a half hours at the station house. After her lawyer arrived, Mr. Browne said, she gave a recorded statement to prosecutors. She left about 9:30 p.m. on Thursday, Mr. Browne said.

Steven Reed, a spokesman for the Bronx district attorney, Robert T. Johnson, said Ms. Hartley “made no complaint” to an assistant district attorney who was at the station house.

Had she made such a complaint, it would have been relayed to the police, Mr. Reed said.

“If the nature of Mrs. Hartley’s complaint is true, it would be highly insensitive,” Mr. Reed said. “Nobody should be forced to give a statement, let alone someone who had just lost a grandson in the way that Mrs. Hartley did.”

On Friday, Raymond W. Kelly, the police commissioner, said he was unaware of any problems regarding Ms. Hartley’s treatment or if she had faced overly aggressive questioning.

“Obviously, it is a very, very traumatic situation for the grandmother,” Mr. Kelly said. “She was present when this happened, and she certainly should have been shown a sensitivity to that issue. I would hope that she was. If not — I didn’t hear about that complaint — but if that’s the case, we’ll certainly investigate.”

Mr. Kelly said that Ms. Hartley was “right there” when the shooting occurred, standing between the bedroom and bathroom doors, but he did not say whether she had a view of her grandson when he was shot. Also in the apartment at the time was Mr. Graham’s 6-year-old brother.

Civilian witnesses to disputed police shootings are not always at hand for the police and prosecutors, and Ms. Hartley’s account is important not only for what she saw but also for what she heard and for any description she might provide about the officers, their demeanor and what they said, and did, before and after the shooting.

On Thursday, officers kicked open the door to the apartment, on the second floor of a three-story house. The first officer inside was Richard Haste, 30, who has been on the force for three years, according to people with knowledge of the case. He told Mr. Graham to show his hands and then yelled, “Gun! Gun!” before firing, the police have said, citing the account of a second officer who followed him in.

Ms. Hartley, however, did not hear the officer shout “gun,” said Mr. Berkley, who declined to discuss further details of what she saw or heard.

Officer Haste and a supervisor, Sgt. Scott Morris, 36, who was in a stairwell between the first and second floors when the shot was fired, have been stripped of their guns and badges and placed on nonenforcement duty.

Mr. Berkley said he went to the station house after being contacted by Mr. Graham’s father, Franclot Graham, whom he had known for many years. He added that he waited two hours without being able to speak to her.

A colleague of his called Assemblyman Eric A. Stevenson of the Bronx, who also came to the precinct house and asked a man who he believed was an assistant district attorney if Ms. Hartley was being held against her will. The man disappeared, Mr. Stevenson said, and minutes later Ms. Hartley emerged, crying.

Mr. Stevenson said Ms. Hartley’s lawyer, Jeffrey Emdin, had also been unable to speak to her.

The city’s public advocate, Bill de Blasio, expressed his concern over the shooting in a statement on Saturday: “Part of the healing process for the Graham family, and for the city as a whole, derives from a fair, speedy and transparent investigation. That work should begin immediately.”

At the National Action Network’s House of Justice in Harlem on Saturday, the Rev. Al Sharpton and others denounced the actions of the Police Department.

“Why would police break in a house and shoot a young man and kill him?” Mr. Sharpton said. “You cannot get to a conclusion without starting with the premise. The premise is wrong. They had no business breaking in the house.”

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[Skelly]

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[RichD]

Re: nypd kill unarmed blakk yuth

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=RichD]]ok, food for thought regarding obtaining citizenship in country of residence...really have to have a plan and consider everything </div></div>
is not just a matter of citizenship.

when yuh think about it...you indicate you are going to live permanently in another country..you working there paying taxes there...sure you maintain your citizenship birthright but what does your country of birth really owe you? </div></div>food for thought, this was an excellent topic that brought to light issues emigrants(?) have to consider..especially if an emergency/crisis arises..
Who to legally call on or depend on for assistance..how to interact with authorities (in this case the aggressive police). I suppose community involvement where we live can be a good start, so many things to plan for. </div></div>

to me its straight forward...when immigrate to another country you now are dependent on the authorities and institutions of that country. be it governmental or non-governmental.
if you are just visiting another country your home country usually will provide you some services in cases of difficulty.

[blugiant]

New York's Killer Cops?

How Will We Stop New York's Killer Cops?


[Speaking Truth To Power]

Last week, the NYPD executed yet another innocent, unarmed, young Black man.

How many Black men will we watch get cut down by NYPD killer cops before Black New Yorkers rise up against this orchestrated urban genocide? How many more mothers must we witness weeping at funerals?

On Monday, holding signs such as “NYPD-KKK” and “Blood is on your shoulders NYPD Killer,” hundreds marched and held a vigil outside Bronx’s 47th Precinct to protest the killing of 18-year-old Ramarley Graham, who was shot dead in his grandmother’s Bronx bathroom last Thursday.

The large, furious crowd was led by the teen’s family, including his parents Franclot Graham and Constance Malcolm. “I never wanted him to go out like this. He was only 18 years old” said Graham’s crying 22-year-old sister Leona Virgo, adding: “This is not just about Ramarley. This is about all young Black men.”

The Bronx teen was shot down after being followed home by Officer Richard Haste and Sgt. Scott Morris, from the Street Narcotics Unit (SNU), after he allegedly bought marijuana. Graham’s grandmother, 58-year-old Patricia Hartley and his sleeping 6-year-old brother were also in the house at the time of the shooting.

According to officers, they witnessed Graham purchase pot, after cops followed Graham and two other persons to an area on East 229 Street. They say the teen appeared to them to be armed. Police say they ordered Graham to stop by telling him “Police, stop, don’t move!” However, they say he evaded them by running away. Video footage capturing some of the final moments of the teen’s life show him walking—not running—into his grandmother’s house. The cops are then seen kicking down the door of his grandmother’s house. Moments later, Graham was shot dead after one of the officers is said to have shouted “Show me your hands! Show me your hands” followed by “Gun! Gun!”

Reportedly, Officer Haste then fired the fatal bullet killing the teen in the bathroom. NYPD stated they believe the teen was trying to flush drugs down the toilet. Reportedly, cops found a bag of marijuana. While witnessing the traumatic killing of her grandson, Ms. Hartley said police threw her to the ground and stuck a gun in her face. Eventually, she was taken and held for seven hours at the 47th Precinct. Her released occurred after Assemblyman Eric Stevenson (D-Bronx) intervened with authorities asking “I asked the district attorney a simple question: ‘Is this woman being held against her will?” According to the legislator, “Within 10 minutes, she was released.”

Monday’s angry mood of the marchers was clear by the expressions of anguish and rage. “I don’t want justice,” said Arlene Brooks, 49. “I want revenge.” Juanita Young, whose 23-year-old son Malcolm Ferguson was killed by NYPD on March1, 2000, in the Bronx, was present at the march. “I know this mother’s pain,” Ms. Young said. “The pain we walk — can’t nothing touch that pain.” These feelings left little doubt of the sentiments of the Bronx neighborhood protesters. This is also the same community where NYPD officers killed African immigrant Amadou Diallo, on Feb. 4, 1999, in a hail of 41 bullets. Last week, Ramarley Graham’s 40-year-old neighbor Darnette Richards, who was around during the shooting screamed at the NYPD “You’re wicked, you’re murderers.”

Indeed, the NYPD is filled with far too many marauding murderers of Black men. And here’s the harsh truth we must face: these outrages don’t just happen because there are a few “bad apples” on the force as we’re often told. The fact is these killings are created by the systematic criminalization of Black men that is written into urban policing policy. Ever wondered who decides policing priorities in Black communities?

This question is of extreme relevance, because Black neighborhoods are policed far different from white neighborhoods. For example, we know 90 percent of those who are ensnared by the NYPD’s infamous Stop-and-Frisk policy are either Black or Latino. And a 2011 Drug Policy Alliance report, written by Dr. Harry Levin and Loren Siegal noted that although, young Whites use marijuana at higher rates: “nearly 87% of those arrested are people of color.” This report also highlighted that “Government health surveys find that young Whites use marijuana at higher rates than young Blacks and Latinos.”

The obvious question is why aren’t Whites arrested at the same rates for marijuana? Do you remember the Julio Diaco case? Ms. Diaco—dubbed the Pot Princess—was arrested in 2004 for selling weed—and other drugs out of her NYU dorm room. Most Blacks who become involved in drug dealing do so due to extreme economic distress. By contrast, Ms. Diaco is the privilege daughter of a well-to-do millionaire construction magnate from the ritzy New Jersey area of Rumson. Diaco was caught red-handed with a massive amount of drugs. Yet, when all was said and done she was sentenced to probation and was sent away to a 10-month rehab program in Idaho.

That case was a prime example of the hypocrisy of the judicial system. In 1977, the use of small amounts of marijuana—25 grams or less—were supposedly decriminalized. Apparently, that doesn’t apply to African-Americans or Latinos. The NYPD continues to rack up a high numbers of arrests for pot possession.

Remember the five Columbia university students also busted for drug sales in 2010? The students -- Chris Coles, Harrison David, Adam Klein, Jose Stephan Perez and Michael Wymbs-- sold as much as $11,000 worth of cocaine, marijuana, ecstasy, Adderall and LSD, to the police officers. They ended up with minor plea deals.

Does anyone think Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly would still have his job if the students had been pursued into their dorm rooms by police and one had been shot dead for allegedly flushing pot down the toilet?

So why should Kelly get to keep his job now? The life of a young Black man will have no value unless we ensure that it has value. There is no question Kelly must go.

After this racist profiling practice killed Ramarley Graham, NYPD told us pot was found in his house. I say, so what? Are they trying to insinuate this shooting is justified because he was in possession of a damn dime bag—in his house? When they tell us they though he had a gun—but didn’t wait for backup—should we believe them? And why the hell did they point a gun in the face of his grandmother—before taking her to their precinct?

For decades, there’s been a war against Black people under the guise of fighting drugs. It’s time we take this fight to the doorsteps of those who created these policies. We cannot expect Mayor Michael Bloomberg, or, Commissioner Kelly to solve this problem. They’re the problem.

These NYPD mad killer cops must be stopped. They must be stopped now.

blackstarnews

[CyberPhobic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok.....i am on Nereid </div></div>

Fo reeel? Mi use tuh live pon Nereid ennuh. Inna di miggle a di blok.

Memba ACT 3?

Anyway, mi fren live pan 229 and Barnes (di whole a ovah dere suh a Jamaicaville) and shi sey dat di drug dealah dem a tek ova dat dey seckshan a di Bronx agen. Shi fraid fi har madda and har children dem.

Shi sey di drug dealing is like back in di eighties and early nineties and nuh bady naah do nutt'n bout di fack dat di drug plane dem a land in dat neighborhood daily.

Shi sey a bay po-po out dey a patrol pan di daily and nuh hawks if di yung black boy dem nuh bizzy a sell di drugs.

Al shoulda up dey befo smaddy dead a march gense di influx of drugs. At such a young age, there is NO excuse fi suh much young black boys a repeat di foolynish, even if a set up.

A foofa RESPONSIBILITY?

[RichD]

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<span style="font-weight: bold">NYPD officer charged in shooting</span>
Tuesday, June 12, 2012





NEW YORK (AP) — A New York Police Department officer has been indicted in the shooting in February of an unarmed man who was pursued into his Bronx home amid a crackdown on street corner drug dealing, according to a law enforcement official.
Officer Richard Haste, 30, is to surrender Wednesday morning to face manslaughter charges in the death of 18-year-old Ramarley Graham, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity Monday because the indictment hadn't been made public.
The NYPD declined to comment.
Prosecutors in the Bronx also refused to discuss the outcome of a lengthy investigation; Haste testified before the grand jury for three hours.
The officer's lawyer, Stuart London, said Tuesday he would reserve comment until any indictment is unsealed.
The shooting stemmed from an NYPD investigation of a persistent drug trade in the Bronx neighborhood where Graham lived. At the time, police said an observation team identified Graham as a potential suspect and radioed to other officers that he appeared to be armed with a pistol.
A civilian witness told police that around the same time, two police officers in plain clothes but wearing NYPD raid jackets pulled up and yelled at a man — apparently Graham — &quot;Police! Don't move!&quot; After the man ducked into Graham's three-family home, the officers found a back entrance, climbed some stairs and broke down the door to a second-floor apartment where Graham lived with his grandmother and other family, police said.
An officer positioned behind the shooter reported seeing Graham run toward a bathroom, possibly to flush away some marijuana. He also heard Haste yell, &quot;Show me your hands!&quot; and &quot;Gun! Gun!&quot; before a shot rang out, police said.
Haste fired one shot at close range from his 9mm semiautomatic handgun, police said. The victim was struck in the upper chest and collapsed inside the bathroom, as his grandmother and 6-year-old brother stood nearby. He was pronounced dead at a hospital.
A search of the apartment failed to turn up any weapons.
The shooting has sparked anti-NYPD protests by supporters of the Graham family who called it a clear case of excessive force. A statement Monday by the Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network said a Bronx jury should be able to decide the officer's fate.
&quot;While no one takes any pleasure in a life loss or a police officer being indicted, we always demand that the process of justice be fairly and impartially administered,&quot; the statement said. &quot;We will continue to stand with Ramarley Graham's parents during the difficult days ahead.&quot;


Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...#ixzz1xb5VbLPW

[blugiant]

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so wat dem seyinn iss dat babylon caan illegallee brukk inna sumwan oome widdout a warrant ann itt onlee warrant manslaughter charge

given de histaree, de guilty will moas likele walk