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Re: Affirmative Action in college admissions to end ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, lonrwolf, test scores DO sometimes lie because tests themselves often are biased!
Quantitative based tests (spelling, math) are what they are content-wise, <span style="font-weight: bold">but qualitative based tests (vocabulary, social studies, history) are very often culturally biased.</span> </div></div>
That's rediculous. What you are saying is nothing more than an excuse to excuse laziness and except mediocrity. I could read and study African history, even though I have not been culturally exposed to such, and still be able to retain such information if I take the time to study it and apply myself to the subject matter...don't you get it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Textbooks - and the standardized tests that come with them - are not written with minorities in mind; they're written to sell millions to the majority</span>. This is especially problematic for students who are first-generation Americans, whose parents do not know the basic "American cultural stuff" that most of us learn at home. It's also especially problematic for underprivileged students who must sit exams written by majority adults who have vastly different cultural experiences than the students who must take said exams </div></div>
Are you serious? What do you want special ed? Short buses? Are you saying that black children are unable to learn as other children because the curriculum does not dumb down subject matter to meet their deficiency?
Your theory defies logic. Asian students arriving in the US that are completely at a cultural disadvantage, not only thrive, but excel and beat white US children at their own game in all phases of US based education.
As long as parents make excuses for minorities inabilty to keep up with the rest of the world, rather than demand more out of their children, than parents have done nothing but accept and foster the failure of their children...You are at fault, not the rest of the population. Keep up or get left behind. That's reality, like it or not.
Example: The 'No child left behind program' has been a total failure...Why? See the Atlanta school system debacle. Explain this... </div></div>
You are mixing responses from two different posters. My son's experience was with a math test.
What you do not see is that teachers have a great amount of influence on their students, if the teacher perceives them as smart (as in smart = asian) , they get the extra attention and are encouraged; if they are perceived as defiant, troublesome, not willing to do the extra step, they are ignored and fall into the cracks unless their parent is involved with their education at home with extra work.
as for cultural biases - yes a child from the inner city may not know much about farm animals and where their food & fruit come from as a child from the burbs may not know about riding in a subway,navigating city traffic, bus fare or metrocards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, lonrwolf, test scores DO sometimes lie because tests themselves often are biased!
Quantitative based tests (spelling, math) are what they are content-wise, <span style="font-weight: bold">but qualitative based tests (vocabulary, social studies, history) are very often culturally biased.</span> </div></div>
That's rediculous. What you are saying is nothing more than an excuse to excuse laziness and except mediocrity. I could read and study African history, even though I have not been culturally exposed to such, and still be able to retain such information if I take the time to study it and apply myself to the subject matter...don't you get it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Textbooks - and the standardized tests that come with them - are not written with minorities in mind; they're written to sell millions to the majority</span>. This is especially problematic for students who are first-generation Americans, whose parents do not know the basic "American cultural stuff" that most of us learn at home. It's also especially problematic for underprivileged students who must sit exams written by majority adults who have vastly different cultural experiences than the students who must take said exams </div></div>
Are you serious? What do you want special ed? Short buses? Are you saying that black children are unable to learn as other children because the curriculum does not dumb down subject matter to meet their deficiency?
Your theory defies logic. Asian students arriving in the US that are completely at a cultural disadvantage, not only thrive, but excel and beat white US children at their own game in all phases of US based education.
As long as parents make excuses for minorities inabilty to keep up with the rest of the world, rather than demand more out of their children, than parents have done nothing but accept and foster the failure of their children...You are at fault, not the rest of the population. Keep up or get left behind. That's reality, like it or not.
Example: The 'No child left behind program' has been a total failure...Why? See the Atlanta school system debacle. Explain this... </div></div>
You are mixing responses from two different posters. My son's experience was with a math test.
What you do not see is that teachers have a great amount of influence on their students, if the teacher perceives them as smart (as in smart = asian) , they get the extra attention and are encouraged; if they are perceived as defiant, troublesome, not willing to do the extra step, they are ignored and fall into the cracks unless their parent is involved with their education at home with extra work.
as for cultural biases - yes a child from the inner city may not know much about farm animals and where their food & fruit come from as a child from the burbs may not know about riding in a subway,navigating city traffic, bus fare or metrocards.
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