As there is so much to say about Hugh Shearer..

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: St_Bess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
They were all related Busta, Manley, Shearer by some relative named Clark(e). That is why when Sangster died it was rumored that he was killed so that the cousins could continue to be PMs. </div></div>

I thought it was during sexual escapade with the head mistress of a well known girl school...

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: St_Bess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I recall some scandal regarding Shearer and his long john silver. I don't remember the circumstances right now but it involved a much younger woman. I have e-mailed my Uncle in Kanada who is nuts about JA politics (having himself been locked up in gun court for a while). I am sure he will remember the event. Shearer had lots of women and quite a few children - when he married Dr. Eldermire's (sp) daughter he was quite an old man and she was a much younger if my memory serves me right. </div></div>

a caller to Mutty asked if is true seh di PM had his penis bitten by a paramour...dere was no delay an di call went out...much ado yet again amidst di laffter
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I thought that was Busta it happened to afer he said... dis ting cause all deh trouble... and eitehr it was
Bitten by the lady
he self castrated
or his sectrary castrated him....

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yawn...one begs the question y him neva do di said ting in Guyana.... </div></div>

Cau di duppy know seh more black people deh a Jamaica. Him try day a Guyana and the Indian people dem ooda kill him. </div></div>

an yet Cheddi was an avowed Socialist..aint life funny </div></div>

Hadnt thought of that... Jagan must havebeen in power then...(He was married to a white ooman like manley, Shearer!)

[makabush]

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Fascinating 'WAR Stories' at UWI

Published: Thursday | November 19, 2009

Mel Cooke, Gleaner Writer


Rodney

The name of the documentary eventually shown (after an extensive delay due to technical difficulties) in N1, University of the West Indies (UWI), Mona campus, last Friday is a happy coincidence of fact and sensation - a sensational fact, even.

WAR Stories: Walter Anthony Rodney, created by Clairmont Chung, traces the life of Guyanese Walter Anthony Rodney, academic and activist, who was murdered in Georgetown, Guyana, in June 1980.

His life was personally relevant to a number of the persons in the approximately three-quarters capacity audience last Friday who knew Rodney when he lectured at UWI, Mona. And one particular battle in WAR Stories was relevant to Jamaica in general because of the Hugh Shearer-led government's refusal to allow him re-entry into the country after attending a Black Writers' Conference in 1968 led to protests by the UWI students and riots.

Panel discussion

The expected order of the evening, the documentary being screened before a panel discussion with Richard Small, Jerry Small, Rupert Lewis and Chung, was upset and reversed by the technical difficulties. In the discussion taking place before the screening, Chung said the idea of the documentary came up in 2004, and while it give the facts, it does not purport to tell anyone what to think. &quot;You come to your own conclusions,&quot; he told the audience, the Institute of Cultural Studies' Professor Claudette Williams doing the introductions and thank yous.

&quot;I tried to capture an ideological path of transformation in the person. I realised in the process it was not all about him,&quot; Chung said.

First-hand accounts

He pointed out that &quot;one of the things missing from the film is the perspective of UWI students on the day at the time&quot; and opened the floor to persons who gave first-hand accounts of their experiences during the protest against Rodney being effectively banned from Jamaica.

In putting Rodney's ban into context, Richard Small gave a mini-history of the People's National Party (PNP) and the Jamaica Labour Party (JLP), dubbing them the same thing and declaring the JLP &quot;the NDM (National Democratic Movement) of the PNP&quot;. He also referred to a few past student leaders at the UWI, Mona, saying that they had been co-opted by the major political parties.

Professor Rupert Lewis spoke about how Rodney would travel to different parts of the island on weekends, listening, talking, studying, and this was the basis on which a major file on him was created by the Special Branch. <span style="font-weight: bold">Significantly, United States Embassy reports about problems in Jamaica at the time made it clear that they were not caused by Rodney, who had no weapons and was not involved in any form of armed struggle in Jamaica.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">The case about Rodney, then, represented the paranoia of the time.</span>

WAR Stories: Walter Anthony Rodney takes a straightforward, chronological approach to Rodney's life in Guyana, Jamaica, Tanzania and England, footage of various physical locations interspersed with interviews of persons who knew and worked with him, as well as his daughter Asha. Michael O. West said that Rodney was under surveillance almost all his adult life and there were also interviews with researchers Horace Campbell and Robert Hill, among others.

Substantial treatment was given to Rodney's political activities in Guyana in the final few years of his life in which he formed the Working People's Alliance. Included in those years was his 1979 trial for arson, along with colleagues, after two government buildings were razed. Robin Small was involved in his defence.

Bomb disguised

Rodney was killed on June 13, 1980, when a bomb disguised as a walkie talkie, given to him by Sergeant Gregory Smith of the Guyana Defence Force, exploded in a car in which he was being driven by his brother Donald Rodney.

Close to the end of the documentary, there was the all too common testimony of collective amnesia, as it was said &quot;there is so much ignorance in the country. You ask young people about Walter Rodney and they don't know&quot;.

Poets Takura, Neto and Dexter Malawe relieved the tedium of waiting to see WAR Stories: Walter Anthony Rodney with poetry performances.

[Tropicana]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

one does not have to say it out not to say it..</div></div>.

Glad you acknowledge that I have said nothing of the kind.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">u have been classist and pretentious on occasion in ur depicting of people......</div></div>

Classist and Pretentious? Me??? Yes I have put down rich guys for taking up with trailer trash...and I am unanimous on that point.. it bugs me....but I have not put down anyone based on class.

You and I have disagreed bitterly about James Brown and as a result of your reaction I did not speak to you for years but that has nothing to do with class.

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so it is a given wat u implied...
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Do me a favour...don't assume where I stand on any given issues...ask. I don't shy away from discussions...only mean spirited arguments.

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dont be sooo literal an combative...aint a fight or a criticism...

I am not looking for a fight either. I only want to explore Hugh Shearer, his legacny and his times. Up until today, I have only heard negative about him. There are 2 sides to every story.

[quote]merely stating how u have been read on occasion...</div></div>

I have no control over how others take or &quot;read my comments&quot;. Just because I have been read a certain way does not mean that &quot;reading&quot; is an accurate statement of my thoughts or feelings. Only I can tell you what is in my heart and mind. Seen?

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..Rodney was a product of his time....a young man with ideas contrary to the status quo and in keeping wid the big stick policy , anyting against the bigstick status quo wich was essentially white power, was deemed communist...as succinct as dat...


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I agree with you 100% here.
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but i m sure u will need to fine pick n read into...some tings CAN be summed up in a few words u know...even Jesus was deemed an agitator in His time...dont.....Rodney was no more dan another Marcus n a watered down version...as to his reading of Jamaica. dat is funny...he just tried a ting while on a university campus..after all , students have historically been open to agitation for change...no more dan dat...given how elitist the student pool at UWI was den, they were into it cause it was the cause celebre...proof of dat is dat nuff of dem is now the PNP old guard and we see how dem fail to hold fast wid Joshua </div></div>

Excellent points.

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: St_Bess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I recall some scandal regarding Shearer and his long john silver. I don't remember the circumstances right now but it involved a much younger woman. I have e-mailed my Uncle in Kanada who is nuts about JA politics (having himself been locked up in gun court for a while). I am sure he will remember the event. Shearer had lots of women and quite a few children - when he married Dr. Eldermire's (sp) daughter he was quite an old man and she was a much younger if my memory serves me right. </div></div>

a caller to Mutty asked if is true seh di PM had his penis bitten by a paramour...dere was no delay an di call went out...much ado yet again amidst di laffter
</div></div>

I thought that was Busta it happened to afer he said... dis ting cause all deh trouble... and eitehr it was
Bitten by the lady
he self castrated
or his sectrary castrated him....

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noooo dat was Shearer...Busta was before radio as we know it in Ja came about....Busta was di letter writer of his time...his writing to the Gleaner is akin to Eddie's sister who lived on Mutty defending her bredda or how people call Mutty pon di daily......diffrant times, diffrant style of communication ....i have the collection of Busta's letters to the Gleaner...he was a tick in dem skin...

[Tropicana]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> U cyan si tropi ah sidun wid rasta man an reason???? </div></div>

Reason yes....lick chillum....not a chance.

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: St_Bess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
They were all related Busta, Manley, Shearer by some relative named Clark(e). That is why when Sangster died it was rumored that he was killed so that the cousins could continue to be PMs. </div></div>

Norman's mother was a Shearer

Busta was born a Clarke but changed his name to Busta...him modda SECOND marriage was to a SHEARER putting him in relation to Norman n Hugh

[Tropicana]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: St_Bess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
They were all related Busta, Manley, Shearer by some relative named Clark(e). That is why when Sangster died it was rumored that he was killed so that the cousins could continue to be PMs. </div></div>

Clarke was let me see if I get this right....Bustamante and Norman Manley's grandfather. My cousin said that we are related to them somewhere too but I never did find out how. I had better ask him before he kicks the bucket.

[Wahalla]

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sorry Evan deh lie an story mi did hear was wid Busta as deh progatonist!!!

Deh fust time mi hear it was in 1969!

but jackmandora mi nuh chose nun!

I dont think shearer had an ideology.. the man was a trade unionist who supported free enterprise, and coorporated with NGO... this was before the west became aware of this mobilisation technique...!

[Tropicana]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: St_Bess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
They were all related Busta, Manley, Shearer by some relative named Clark(e). That is why when Sangster died it was rumored that he was killed so that the cousins could continue to be PMs. </div></div>

I thought it was during sexual escapade with the head mistress of a well known girl school...

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[Tropicana]

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Thanks for that information about Walter Rodney Makabush...so it looks like Hugh Shearer over-reacted.

[Tropicana]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: St_Bess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I recall some scandal regarding Shearer and his long john silver. I don't remember the circumstances right now but it involved a much younger woman. I have e-mailed my Uncle in Kanada who is nuts about JA politics (having himself been locked up in gun court for a while). I am sure he will remember the event. Shearer had lots of women and quite a few children - when he married Dr. Eldermire's (sp) daughter he was quite an old man and she was a much younger if my memory serves me right. </div></div>

a caller to Mutty asked if is true seh di PM had his penis bitten by a paramour...dere was no delay an di call went out...much ado yet again amidst di laffter
</div></div>

I thought that was Busta it happened to afer he said... dis ting cause all deh trouble... and eitehr it was
Bitten by the lady
he self castrated
or his sectrary castrated him....

</div></div>

Shocking.



So you mean to tell me ALL of these guys except for Norman Washington Manley rooksed around?

[Wahalla]

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Well Marcus and Mandela were both Gallis as well.. So is jackob zuma....

Norman well there were roumours....but it was before my time....

[Tropicana]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alexander Bustamante was born in the rural village of Blenheim, Hanover Parish on 24th February 1884. His birth name was William Alexander Clarke. His father was a white Irish planter named Robert Constantine Clarke and his mother a black Jamaican worker named Mary Clarke (Nee Wilson). By virtue of his grandmother's second marriage (to Alexander Shearer) he is a cousin of Norman Washington Manley and a relative of the once prime minister Hugh Shearer.</div></div>

http://www.jamaicatravelandculture.com/national-icons/alexander-bustamante/biography-1.htm