Should we still say Columbus "Discovered" Jamaica?

[Tuff Gong]

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Most of the domesticated flora and fauna of the New World came from the old world....a direct result of Columbus voyage across the seas.

[missus_vegas]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queenb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Less rape for Jamaica than in North America. If rape were rampant, the Jamaican of today would more resemble the Amerikkkan black, more mix, more cafe' au lait. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with either, just Amerikkkan blacks have more wide-spread color range. </div></div>

i dont think they meant rape as in literal rape of the women. think they were implying rape of the land....but you could be right all the same.

[missus_vegas]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vegas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wah oonuh fi worry bout is the tings happen today here and now and tap belly ache over the past. </div></div>The seeds of the past bear fruits in the present. </div></div>

yes but we cant change the past only the present.

[Derek]

Re: Should we still say Columbus &quot;Discovered&quot; Jamaica?

Hi discovered Jamaica for European history books.

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vegas</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The seeds of the past bear fruits in the present. </div></div>
yes but we cant change the past only the present. </div></div>There is no contradiction.

[makabush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queenb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Less rape for Jamaica than in North America. If rape were rampant, the Jamaican of today would more resemble the Amerikkkan black, more mix, more cafe' au lait. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with either, just Amerikkkan blacks have more wide-spread color range. </div></div>

Firstly, Columbus-dem raped the Arawaks who subsequently died of syphilis and whatever other diseases Columbus brought, along with the hacking off of arms the Spaniards did when the Arawaks did not collect enough gold for the monthly quota...Some also died whenever Spaniards got a new sword they wanted to test out, they would just stab the nearest Arawak. (I am not exagerating. These things are actually written down in journals, which I think are his) There were only a few Arawaks left when the English got to Jamaica. (complete genocide!)

Secondly, there were no Africans around that there times. Spaniards started african slavery but it was on a very very small scale, and those slaves escaped into the mountains and formed the basis of the maroons when the spanish left.

However, for kicks, let's just postulate that the English men (who really did slavery in Jamaica) raped a bunch of african women under slavery. There was a severe shortage of women slaves compared to man slaves- about a third of the amount - so in any case, it would have just have created a small brown middle class to Jamaica. Since brown people did not cohabitate with black people according to custom (only with other brown men or white men), the white genes remained amongst the brown class and did not propagate into the babies born between black and black slaves.

History, I know, Jamaica doan teach wi none of dis.

And so yes, right now we are raping each other just like Columbus-dem literally raped the Arawaks.

[Peasie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even way back in the day when I went to high school in Kingston, my history teacher insisted on saying,, &quot;when the Arawaks discovered Columbus on our shores&quot;
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yuh went to rebel school? </div></div>

yep. and then on to UWI for more radicalization

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even way back in the day when I went to high school in Kingston, my history teacher insisted on saying,, &quot;when the Arawaks discovered Columbus on our shores&quot;
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yuh went to rebel school? </div></div>

yep. and then on to UWI for more radicalization </div></div>

yes mi used to si yuh a follow Trevor Munroe round up a SocSci?

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi discovered Jamaica for European history books. </div></div>

And Queen Isabella didn't pawn her jewels to finance the voyage.
All sounds historically romantic but careful research shows it was funded by European Jews.

And his surname was not Columbus.

[Peasie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Peasie][quote=RichD]yes mi used to si yuh a follow Trevor Munroe round up a SocSci? </div></div>
It wasn't his politics only. It was di way im walk