Patois: Are they faking it to sound cool?

[twiney]

Re: Patois: Are they faking it to sound cool?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twiney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And with all the varieties to Jamaican patois do you really believe you have the right to call the person a liar because they don't speak the way your family speaks? Patois is not standard and yes there are English influences and for some people their patois may have a little more English mixed in but that does not make it any less patois than yours... </div></div>


<span style="font-weight: bold">Any I mean any real Jamaican knows this is nothing like country Patois.</span>
For someone who claims to have learnt country Patois, this sounds like
he learnt English out of a book to me. And took some classes.

This is English with a few Patois mix-ins. If it is mostly English to the point
that an English person can understand it quite fine, it is not Patois it is just
wrong English.

<span style="font-weight: bold">And if you speak Patois like this, you don't know Patois either. </span>Standards don't give
give people common sense. </div></div>

WORD ... I've been told ...

[makabush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twiney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
WORD ... I've been told ... </div></div>

Glad I could be of service. Now what is the meaning of this &quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">WORD</span>&quot;? Is that English?

[Gen]

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[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twiney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And with all the varieties to Jamaican patois do you really believe you have the right to call the person a liar because they don't speak the way your family speaks? Patois is not standard and yes there are English influences and for some people their patois may have a little more English mixed in but that does not make it any less patois than yours... </div></div>



. Standards don't give
give people common sense. </div></div>

U know iread the latter statement re common sense n thought that it was pure irony coming from u who mek a comment bout 'real Jcan', not to mention ur offer of Wikipedia, a site that depends on people to post dem opinion as facts in ur disclaimer re something I said in anodda post...mi tink u try too hard at times to overcome Peter n him principle....juss my real opinion re some of ur offerings...being a real Jcan I do seh tings like dese...... How it go fi us real Jcans , mi no tek bak mi chat n don't watch dat...... Dis site eida have repeaters r people who change monikers...

[Gen]

Re: Patois: Are they faking it to sound cool?

nail on the head

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twiney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And with all the varieties to Jamaican patois do you really believe you have the right to call the person a liar because they don't speak the way your family speaks? Patois is not standard and yes there are English influences and for some people their patois may have a little more English mixed in but that does not make it any less patois than yours... </div></div>



. Standards don't give
give people common sense. </div></div>

U know iread the latter statement re common sense n thought that it was pure irony coming from u who mek a comment bout 'real Jcan', not to mention ur offer of Wikipedia, a site that depends on people to post dem opinion as facts in ur disclaimer re something I said in anodda post...mi tink u try too hard at times to overcome Peter n him principle....juss my real opinion re some of ur offerings...being a real Jcan I do seh tings like dese...... How it go fi us real Jcans , mi no tek bak mi chat n don't watch dat...... Dis site eida have repeaters r people who change monikers...
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[evanovitch]

Re: Patois: Are they faking it to sound cool?

Geneva mi gawn bak pon FB... At least di Jcan ovah deh real enuff fi agree n disagree as Real Jcans n. not like dose pon yah dat agree n disagree based on wedda dem like r dislike di opiner, n cloak it unda some terms like real (common letta intentional) Jcan n odda banal excuses mi no even wan cite...mi no wan get cussed out n haffi draw fi mi Real Yaad cussing skills...

[makabush]

Re: Patois: Are they faking it to sound cool?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Geneva mi gawn bak pon FB... At least di Jcan ovah deh real enuff fi agree n disagree as Real Jcans n. not like dose pon yah dat agree n disagree based on wedda dem like r dislike di opiner, n cloak it unda some terms like real (common letta intentional) Jcan n odda banal excuses mi no even wan cite...mi no wan get cussed out n haffi draw fi mi Real Yaad cussing skills...
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Not sure what you are reffering to when you say &quot;wedda dem like r dislike di opiner&quot; cau mi nuh really know nuh bady roun here. If you are refering to the bambam man arguments people are promotting, i don't even remember who said what. Dem usually ongle drop een when lesbian and funny man is mentioned. If you are refering to racist remarks well, sorry to interupt your racist party over here we might want to call JJJ.

But it seems like I have a strong opinion, one Jamaican residing in foreign says foolishness (like that man's patois is perfectly country, something that ANY <span style="text-decoration: line-through">Jamaican</span> human should be able to recognise, no that man speaks perfectly fine English) and i disagree and offer a rebuttal and there is problems. Look, if someone tells me the sky is usually red, I am going to disagree with them.

But let the racism keep running I guess...chinie wid small penis and white and black segregation. hail garvey and dat deh odda dead wan hiffler. mi did have a dream dat one day one of many would become separate peeple. amen.

[twiney]

Re: Patois: Are they faking it to sound cool?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Geneva mi gawn bak pon FB... At least di Jcan ovah deh real enuff fi agree n disagree as Real Jcans n. not like dose pon yah dat agree n disagree based on wedda dem like r dislike di opiner, n cloak it unda some terms like real (common letta intentional) Jcan n odda banal excuses mi no even wan cite...mi no wan get cussed out n haffi draw fi mi Real Yaad cussing skills...
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Not sure what you are reffering to when you say &quot;wedda dem like r dislike di opiner&quot; cau mi nuh really know nuh bady roun here. If you are refering to the bambam man arguments people are promotting, i don't even remember who said what. Dem usually ongle drop een when lesbian and funny man is mentioned. If you are refering to racist remarks well, sorry to interupt your racist party over here we might want to call JJJ.

But it seems like I have a strong opinion, one Jamaican residing in foreign says foolishness (like that man's patois is perfectly country, something that ANY <span style="text-decoration: line-through">Jamaican</span> human should be able to recognise, no that man speaks perfectly fine English) and i disagree and offer a rebuttal and there is problems. Look, if someone tells me the sky is usually red, I am going to disagree with them.

But let the racism keep running I guess...chinie wid small penis and white and black segregation. hail garvey and dat a seh odda dead wan hiffler. mi did have a dream dat one day one of many would become separate peeple. amen. </div></div>

If you cant see a problem with calling somebody a liar because the way they sound doesn't fit what you believe is &quot;correct patois&quot; and then your rebuttal is deciding they are not a real Jamaican since they don't agree with you .... your WORDS then dialogue with you is a waste of precious idling time so make mi go use mi time more efficiently like crushing smaddy dream.

[makabush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twiney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

If you cant see a problem with calling somebody a liar because the way they sound doesn't fit what you believe is &quot;correct patois&quot; and then your rebuttal is deciding they are not a real Jamaican since they don't agree with you .... your WORDS then dialogue with you is a waste of precious idling time so make mi go use mi time more efficiently like crushing smaddy dream.

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I never said correct patois. I said <span style="font-size: 20pt">country patois</span>, difference. This man's whole claim is that he came to Jamaica destitute and learned <span style="font-size: 20pt">country patois </span>by osmosis. Then the man turns around and speaks perfectly good uptown patois in an interview with almost perfect English grammar. One plus One does not equal 10.

I'm sorry I stepped on one of your hot buttons by calling this type of Uptown patois, non-patois. That is my opinion. Please relate that to whoever has chastised you about this before, as they obviously have, to leave you alone and take away themself. (taking away of themself is perfectly good uptwon speaky-spokey patois)

[twiney]

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... likkle most mi choke pon mi rice &amp; peas.

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twiney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ... likkle most mi choke pon mi rice &amp; peas. </div></div>

yuh too lie..is peas an rice yuh eating...yuh get exposed yuh non jamaican yuh...

[Wahalla]

Re: Patois: Are they faking it to sound cool?

In my opnion from the De he sounds like he speaks patwa...middle class patwa...like a Jamaican trying to speak english without twanging... like a television news reader...

I like Italy and Italians... When my car did bun up pan ah auto strada they stopped and helped me....

His singing reminded me of Aswad...


Alborosie marks journey from Sicily to Kingston Town
By Basil Walters Observer staff reporter
Sunday, June 10, 2007

Italy's most authentic and best-known reggae artiste came searching for legitimacy and is now ready for the world with the album Soul Pirate. After landing some major deals with BMG and EMI, the Sicilian-born deejay/musician/producer who goes by the moniker, Alborosie, has established his base in Jamaica for the past six years.


Alborosie. Jamaica is a difficult turf
The buzz that this expatriate entertainer is creating in music circles, is due in no uncertain way to the Jamaicanness - the walk, the language and the attitude - which he has adopted since his arrival less than ten years ago, as evidenced in the video for his song, Kingston Town.

In the history of popular Jamaican music, Alborosie is at that place where the late Barbadian Jackie Opel, as well as such Trinidadians as Kenrick Patrick, aka Lord Creator and Lord Laro, distinguished themselves using Jamaican music and culture. They were their respective countries' gift to Jamaica. And to the extent to which he captures the ethos of the dancehall/reggae, it is safe to say, Alborosie is now Italy's gift to Jamaica.

&quot;My name is Alborosie. I was born 1977 in Sicily, real badman turf,&quot; he chuckled. &quot;I'm an artiste/producer/ musician. I started (in music) like about 1993 with my own ting. My band and everything. And then bit by bit now, me get bigger and bigger and reach like the top top level. You understand. This was in Italy. We signed major deals almost with everybody like BMG, EMI and the works... And then after ten years of shows and albums and all kinds of stuff. I decided to move to Jamaica,&quot; explained Alborosie.

When Splash asked the reason for his pilgrimage to the mecca of reggae, the Caucasian dreadlocks added; &quot;I felt like I want to discover reggae more. I need to find the roots, the real foundation. So I came to Jamaica. I was coming to Jamaica before as a tourist and so on. Then 2001 I decided to move to Jamaica and I left everything. I left the band, I left the agency, the label. Dem time deh, me did sign with Universal (Records). And I just sell everything and come to Jamaica. To get a different vibes, different life.&quot;

He then spoke about how the move to Jamaica has paid dividends for him. &quot;So I start to work with Gee-Jam producing and in the meantime doing my own thing building my tune dem and stuff, learning the thing. I put together an album and now the thing is bubbling and I get a nice number one tune now inna Europe. The first song was Herbalist. That song created like a major impact in Europe. In Europe it was like one of the biggest tunes, but in Jamaica it wasn't radio-friendly.

&quot;And then now I released Kingston Town. So now the bomb explode and now the song is like number one in Germany, number one in Italy, number three in England by David Rodigan's chart. From January up to now, I reached like 400 dubs. Something is happening.&quot;

Continuing, he said, &quot;Jamaica is a difficult turf. In Jamaica, the people like my stuff, but the problem is the industry. I think Jamaica should be more opened to the outside market like Europe, which actually is the market. but it's not like that. But with this big tune which was released in Europe first, I'm leaving in July for a European tour, and returning the middle of August.
&quot;And now we're going to release it (Kingston Town) in Jamaica pon a level. Some big things happening now and we need to respond to that.&quot;

Describing himself as a new generation Rasta, Alborosie, who has been wearing dreadlocks for the past 15 years since 1992, explained. &quot;The way I see myself is like a Christian Revolutionary. We just work with the Most I [high], we nuh wear nuh uniform. We don't use eye to judge people, we use heart and love. His Majesty, alongside Christ, is a whole family, from Jacob and Moses, it's just one unity and livity.

I love Jamaica. I love the people, the culture, the food, the music, the vibes and everything. Jamaica is everything to me. And it's not just the place where I want to live. Is the place where I want to die. Because a man like me now with this kind of job, I live all over the world. But the place where you gonna die is the place where you gonna rest forever. And you gonna keep the legacy for yah soh Jamaica is my place.&quot;

[sistactry]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love Jamaica. I love the people, the culture, the food, the music, the vibes and everything. Jamaica is everything to me. And it's not just the place where I want to live. Is the place where I want to die. Because a man like me now with this kind of job, I live all over the world. But the place where you gonna die is the place where you gonna rest forever. And you gonna keep the legacy for yah soh Jamaica is my place.&quot;


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ahhhh, what a nice thing to say,

bigup bigman, respeck

[sistactry]

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a whey so much contention come from tiday, good grief, me have headache

[makabush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Continuing, he said, &quot;Jamaica is a difficult turf. In Jamaica, the people like my stuff, but the problem is the industry. I think Jamaica should be more opened to the outside market like Europe, which actually is the market. but it's not like that. But with this big tune which was released in Europe first, I'm leaving in July for a European tour, and returning the middle of August.
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Suh di man a seh dem a fight him music a jam rock. mmm. I mean is a tough ting still fi bus as a non jamaican inna jamaica. Di ongle 2 white yutes mi know bout is Dominic and Snow. Snow bus tru him did link wid next artistes, creating one a ih bigges chune of all tine. Dominic was a one hit wonder type.

Mi know bout di Herbalis tune. It did get likkle play here and dere.

Di man tink dem can come a JA and jus bus suh? Di mount a talent weh deh a JA and cyaan bus is amazing. Mi nuh really tink him ready fi bus a JA. Im nuh overstan seh di man dem seh di chune dem nice cau dem nuh waan hurt him feeling. American Idol syndrome.