farrakhan diss obama gay marriage endorsement

[Emperah]

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[Emperah]

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[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Such a pity that Farrakhan's religion prevents intelligent people from listening to what he to has to say. </div></div>

dat sund enliten mii tink. so ar yuh seyinn dat farrakhan appeal to less intelligent blakk peeps? </div></div>i think farrakhan lessens his appeal by being so sectarian...

he is identified so strongly with the nation of islam &amp; usually speaks from a religious point of view that some people who are turned off by the NOI don't even bother to listen to the content of his speeches;

not to mention some who still have him up for malcolm x...

all in all he is brilliant-- but could tone down some of the religious rhetoric sometimes if he wants to broaden his appeal...if he cares about that type of thing </div></div>

mii wass juss bunninn a likkle fiyah pon derek intelligent peeps cammemt cah nuh dem &quot;intelligent&quot; enliten oyinbo filllossofores wey mekk argument justifyinn enslavinn peeps

shood imm broaden imm appeal bye weakeninn imm message. religious wrang used beinn sectarian fe dem benefit. de argument iss dat weaken de argument fe broaden dem base wood lessen dem message ann effectiveness. noi ave tone down dem rhetoric

mixxed race man tried fe broaden imm based endorsinn homosexual marriage ann dat might cost imm de electsham

[johnnycakes]

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On her radio show sometime prior to 2004, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant
Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22,
and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an
open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the
Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:





Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.

I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly
states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of
God's Law and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They
claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.
The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27.
How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable
expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

Anonymous

[Derek]

Re: farrakhan diss obama gay marriage endorsement

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Such a pity that Farrakhan's religion prevents intelligent people from listening to what he to has to say. </div></div>

dat sund enliten mii tink. so ar yuh seyinn dat farrakhan appeal to less intelligent blakk peeps? </div></div>

No I'm not saying that at all.

[makabush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Such a pity that Farrakhan's religion prevents intelligent people from listening to what he to has to say. </div></div>

Any religion based on calling white man the devil needs help. </div></div>

The religion is not based on that that was just someone's description of the white man or else there wouldn't be so many white Muslims in the world. </div></div>

I don't consider &quot;Nation of Islam&quot; muslim. They have some extra philosophies in there.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wikipedia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Teachings on race

The Nation of Islam teaches that Black people are the aboriginal people, and that all other people come from them. Louis Farrakhan has stated &quot;If you look at the human family — now, I'm talking about black, brown, red, yellow and white — we all seem to be frozen on a subhuman level of existence. In Islam and, I believe, in Christian theology and Jewish theology as well, there are three stages of human development. The first stage is called the animalistic stage of development. But when we submit to animal passions, then we can do evil things to one another in that animalistic stage of development. But when moral consciousness comes and we have a self-accusing spirit, it is then that we become human beings. Right now, we have the potential for humanity, but we have not reached that potential, because we are functioning on the animalistic plane of existence.&quot; [22]

&quot;The Blackman is the original man. From him came all brown, yellow, red, and white people. By using a special method of birth control law, the Blackman was able to produce the white race. This method of birth control was developed by a Black scientist known as Yakub, who envisioned making and teaching a nation of people who would be diametrically opposed to the Original People. A Race of people who would one day rule the original people and the earth for a period of 6,000 years. Yakub promised his followers that he would graft a nation from his own people, and he would teach them how to rule his people, through a system of tricks and lies whereby they use deceit to divide and conquer, and break the unity of the darker people, put one brother against another, and then act as mediators and rule both sides.&quot; -Elijah Muhammad[23]

In an interview on NBC's Meet the Press, Louis Farrakhan said the following in response to host Tim Russert's question on the Nation of Islam's teachings on race:

&quot;You know, it’s not unreal to believe that white people — who genetically cannot produce yellow, brown or black — had a Black origin. The scholars and scientists of this world agree that the origin of man and humankind started in Africa and that the first parent of the world was black. The Qur'an says that God created Adam out of black mud and fashioned him into shape. So if white people came from the original people, the Black people, what is the process by which you came to life? That is not a silly question. That is a scientific question with a scientific answer. It doesn't suggest that we are superior or that you are inferior. It suggests, however, that your birth or your origin is from the black people of this earth: superiority and inferiority is determined by our righteousness and not by our color.&quot;[21]

Elijah Muhammad addressing followers

Pressed by Russert on whether he agreed with Elijah Muhammad's preaching that whites are &quot;blue-eyed devils&quot;, Farrakhan responded:

&quot;Well, you have not been saints in the way you have acted toward the darker peoples of the world and toward even your own people. But, in truth, Mr. Russert, any human being who gives themself over to the doing of evil could be considered a devil. In the Bible, in the &quot;Book of Revelation&quot;, it talks about the fall of Babylon. It says Babylon is fallen because she has become the habitation of devils. We believe that that ancient Babylon is a symbol of a modern Babylon, which is America.&quot;

During the time when Malcolm X was a member and leader of the Nation of Islam, he preached that black people were genetically superior to white people but were dominated by a system of white supremacy:

Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to Black people. Even [Senator James] Eastland knows it. Anyone who has studied the genetic phase of biology knows that white is considered recessive and black is considered dominant. The entire American economy is based on white supremacy. Even the religious philosophies, in essence, white supremacy. A white Jesus. A white Virgin. White angels. White everything. But a black Devil, of course. The &quot;Uncle Sam&quot; political foundation is based on white supremacy, relegating nonwhites to second&amp;#8722;class citizenship. It goes without saying that the social philosophy is strictly white supremacist. And the educational system perpetuates white supremacy.[24]

The Nation of Islam teaches that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. This is point 10 of the official platform, &quot;What the Muslims Want&quot;, published 1965.[25] Louis Farrakhan nevertheless stated in the Tim Russert interview:

&quot;The mother of the Leader who came to North America to teach us, Fard Muhammad, His mother was a white woman. His father was a black man. So where there is love, love transcends our racial denomination or ethnicity. Love is the great power of transformation. I don't think that we can say when two people are in love that they shouldn't marry one another. But I would prefer that the black man and the black woman marry into their own kind.&quot;[26]
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[Derek]

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I'm not religious therefore, unlike you, I don't look for areas where I can attack another person's religion or beliefs.

Needless to say there's enough smiting of first borns and beheading of enemies etc in the Bible that you no doubt agree with, and people of other religions would like to discuss with you.

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Such a pity that Farrakhan's religion prevents intelligent people from listening to what he to has to say. </div></div>

Any religion based on calling white man the devil needs help. </div></div>

The religion is not based on that that was just someone's description of the white man or else there wouldn't be so many white Muslims in the world. </div></div>

I don't consider &quot;Nation of Islam&quot; muslim. </div></div>

That's just your opinion, right?

[makabush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not religious therefore, unlike you, <span style="font-weight: bold">I don't look for areas where I can attack another person's religion or beliefs.</span>

Needless to say there's enough smiting of first borns and beheading of enemies etc in the Bible that you no doubt agree with, and people of other religions would like to discuss with you.

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7) </div></div>

Muslims believe in the Torah (Deuteronomy) too...But this is completely a different subject. And your claim that you don't attack other religions just went down the drain.

If you wanted to have a real discussion about these things you would have asked. But since not, this is just an attack, not a question.

[makabush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That's just your opinion, right? </div></div>

No, actually. The opinion is widely espoused in the Muslim world.

http://www.islamfortoday.com/nationofislam.htm

&quot;<span style="font-style: italic">Laudable as the lifestyle espoused by the NOI may be, one cannot escape the fact that despite some of the trappings of Islam, <span style="font-weight: bold">the theology and ideology they currently espouse are not only non-Islamic but actually anathema to Islam.</span></span> &quot;

Muslims are actually more picky about who they consider Muslims than Christians.

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Muslims believe in the Torah (Deuteronomy) too.. </div></div>

I belive the Torah is the first five books of the Bible.
The Muslims have their Koran, which does not contain a copy and paste of theTorah.

[makabush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Muslims believe in the Torah (Deuteronomy) too.. </div></div>

I belive the Torah is the first five books of the Bible.
The Muslims have their Koran, which does not contain a copy and paste of theTorah. </div></div>

You should talk to a Muslim. It is very taboo for them to deny the Torah or the Gospel, even if they don't usually read it. So sayeth the Quran itself.

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">You should talk to a Muslim</span>. It is very taboo for them to deny the Torah or the Gospel, even if they don't usually read it. So sayeth the Quran itself. </div></div>

considering that Derek lives in a Muslim country i think there is a good chance he has...

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Muslims believe in the Torah (Deuteronomy) too.. </div></div>

I belive the Torah is the first five books of the Bible.
The Muslims have their Koran, which does not contain a copy and paste of theTorah. </div></div>

You should talk to a Muslim. It is very taboo for them to deny the Torah or the Gospel, even if they don't usually read it. So sayeth the Quran itself. </div></div>


I have a Muslim standing right next to me. I showed him this. He says yes, they do not deny the Torah or the Gospel, but, compared to his Book, the stories differ in many, many places.

[makabush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


I have a Muslim standing right next to me. I showed him this. He says yes, they do not deny the Torah or the Gospel, but, compared to his Book, the stories differ in many, many places. </div></div>

Yes, I know.