Romney the Birther

[barosa]

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Obama Assets Valued Between $2.6M And $8.3M? Is he struggling now? If anything it shows me that maybe Romney was just more sucessful? As I said before, I don't support either one, but merely putting things into perspective.

You dont support either one? you go tell that to the Marines! they may believe you..
As far as being wealthy and compared to the "filthy rich" Obama is a poor man. Some other white guy in his position would be "RICH" by being a complete "Sellout".. This fact alone, tell us that he's not in politics to enrich himself at the taxpayers expense.
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[queenb]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And Obama has done what to correct it? He has continued with Bush policies Obama and his supporters keep pointing at Bush and using that excuse for his inability to make things right...that's nothing but BS. He wanted the job. Did he not know what he was getting himself into? Sounds like poor planning on his part...I say get him out of there before he does any more damage. He had his chance. </div></div>

I heard some really good conversation on this topic on the Melissa Harris-Perry show yesterday on MSNBC. What she and a former campaign aide for Rick Santorum (Can't remember his name, maybe John Trainum?) proposed was &quot;term limits&quot; similar to that proposed by Warren Buffet. The reason so little was seen to be accomplished (although I don't really believe that is true, but conceived) is that everything that he proposed, no matter how conservative or placating to the moderates in the middle were voted down in the House. They mentioned how second term Presidents who were no longer under the gun to appease anyone, since they could not run again, almost always got more accomplished in their second term than their first. I personally think all elected officials should have term limits, with the House (their term stay at 2 years eachX 2 terms) and Senate (reduced to 4- year terms 2X ). I think the President's term should be expanded to 5 years X 2 terms; this way they will be exposed to various compositions of elected legislatures. That way any problem of working with legislatures can be balanced. If he does a good job, he will get more of his ideas to fruition.

[Peasie]

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I was trying to stick to the birther issue but since the subject of wealthy presidential candidates was brought up, all I can say is I wish I had said the following...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Response to CNN article</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Bizz, Quarryville Pennsylvania

I do not have a problem with millionaires becoming president. What I have a problem with is Romney only revealing his 2011 tax return when his father ran for president he revealed 12 tax returns. I also have a problem with all the offshore accounts in Switzerland, the Cayman Islands and Bermuda and Romney's reluctance to speak about them. Plus I just learned that Romney still worked for Bain capital after claiming he left three years earlier. If Romney wants to be president I think he needs to reveal his past.
CNN Cafferty File
July 12, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
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Even John Huntsman (remember him?), a wealthy Mormon who was one of the GOP candidates for president has publicly called on Romney to release his income tax returns.
C'mon Mitt, even Ronald Reagan revealed his Presidential tax returns

[Gen]

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him don't want to reveal that him was in illegal tax shelters that almost brought down a large accounting firm.

[Blackstar*]

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While I'm not over the moon with Pres. Obama I do have a hard time understanding how people can say he and Romney are the same. For example, Romney claims the president's policies lead to job outsourcing (although no data supports that claim); meanwhile Romney himself directly outsourced thousands of jobs in his role as businessman.

Go figure...

[Wahalla]

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it is a bad idea to have a buiness man as a poltical leader....

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You dont support either one? you go tell that to the Marines! <span style="font-weight: bold">they may believe you.. </span></div></div>

Yawn...wow, that's suprising news coming from you. I could post that the sky was blue and you would want to argue the point simply because I posted it.

In the last election I voted neither Republican nor Democrat, I voted for Baldwin of the Constituion Party, although I voted for Ron Paul in the primary and STILL believe he is the best candidate.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as being wealthy and compared to the &quot;filthy rich&quot; Obama is a poor man </div></div>

That's laughable, are you really that gullable? How many millions does a person need to be rich, compared to the average person? I mean, damn, is it 1 million or 2 million...10 million?
A millionaire is a millionaire. They are all out of our league.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some other <span style="font-weight: bold">white guy</span> in his position would be &quot;RICH&quot; by being a complete &quot;Sellout&quot; </div></div>

Yep, you are a racist. Why mention skin color?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This fact alone, tell us that he's not in politics to enrich himself <span style="font-weight: bold">at the taxpayers expense</span>.</div></div>

Listed are those that contributed to Obama's election. Take note of the banking and big business donations. Now, that said, knowing what you know now, why do you think they donated to Obama, and look at the pay off they received at the taxpayers expense, especially the banking industry?

Do you need me to explain this for you?


University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase &amp; Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham &amp; Watkins $503,295

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From Game Change:

<span style="color: #FF0000">Steve Schmidt: Still think she's fit for office?
Rick Davis: Aw, who cares. In forty-eight hours no one will even remember who she is.

Rick Davis: Listen, I too wish that the American people would choose the future Abraham Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson, but unfortunately, that's not the way it works anymore. Now it takes movie-star charisma to get elected President, and Obama and Palin, that's what they are - they're stars.
Steve Schmidt: Primary difference being Sarah Palin can't name a Supreme Court decision, <span style="font-weight: bold">whereas Barack Obama was a constitutional law professor. </span>Rick Davis: F**k you. </span> </div></div>

<span style="font-style: italic">Davis should have done his home work. Obama was not a constitutional law professor. Regardless of simple technicality, you either are, or you are not</span>.



Other Claims


The email also claims that <span style="font-weight: bold">“Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago.” That’s technically true.</span>
As we wrote back in 2008, Obama’s formal title was “senior lecturer,” but the University of Chicago Law School says he “served as a professor” and was “regarded as” a professor.
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During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama regularly referred to himself as “a constitutional law professor.” But the university later clarified his title in an official statement:</span>

UC Law School statement: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as “Senior Lecturer.” From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School’s Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/the-obamas-law-licenses/

[Wahalla]

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so he was a senior lecturer at a tertiary law instiution not a professor.... but then u said in ur post... <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, </div></div>.

Was the Davis statment true ? No Did Barry O'bama teach law ? yes. Could Palin not name a Supreme Court Descion ? . Are lecturers called Professors by their students ?

[barosa]

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Do you need me to explain this for you?


University of California $1,648,685
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham &amp; Watkins $503,295
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase &amp; Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham &amp; Watkins $503,295

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<span style="font-weight: bold">You seems to be confusing POLITICAL DONATIONS with Obama's net worth
What has one got to do with the other?</span>

If you want to tell us something, why not give us the list of Mitt's Backers which includes the Oil barons, the Corporate Moguls, the Financial Power Brokers and the rest of them too many to mention here.. I would guess, it would probably take you more than a month to compile the semblance of such a list. ~ In such case, why bothrer?..
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[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
so he was a senior lecturer at a tertiary law instiution not a professor.... but then u said in ur post... <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, </div></div>.

Was the Davis statment true ? No Did Barry O'bama teach law ? yes. Could Palin not name a Supreme Court Descion ? . Are lecturers called Professors by their students ? </div></div>

Although I agree with what you posted, I was playing devil's advocate. If it was MY ARGUEMENT, that is what I would have countered with, and as I said, technically, he was not. Admitted quite clearly by the school...just like the birther issue, he either is or he is not.

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You seems to be confusing POLITICAL DONATIONS with Obama's net worth
<span style="font-weight: bold">What has one got to do with the other</span> </div></div>

Plenty, Obama's political career continues with donations from these sources. His career=money, and he did this at the expense of the American taxpayer.
Do you honestly think he chose a political career out of the goodness of his heart to help people? He's nothing more than a ruthless politician not un-like the WHITE politicians out there. ( I used color. That seems to be what you understand?)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Americans are angry at the big-time bankers and brokers, and yet, far from a populist attack on crony capitalism, Wall Street is sitting pretty, looking ahead to a presidential election that it can’t possibly lose. <span style="font-weight: bold">They have bankrolled a nifty choice between President Obama, the largest beneficiary of financial-industry backing in history and Mitt Romney, one of their very own.

One is to the manner born, the other a crafty servant; neither will take on the power.</span>Think of this: despite taking office in the midst of a massive financial meltdown, Obama’s administration has not prosecuted a single heavy-hitter among those responsible for the financial crisis. To the contrary, he’s staffed his team with big bankers and their allies. Under the Bush-Obama bailouts the big financial institutions have feasted like pigs at the trough, with the six largest banks borrowing almost a half trillion dollars from uncle Ben Bernanke’s printing press. In 2013 the top four banks controlled more than 40 percent of the credit markets in the top 10 states—up by 10 percentage points from 2009 and roughly twice their share in 2000. Meantime, small banks, usually the ones serving Main Street businesses, have taken the hit along with the rest of us with more than 300 folding since the passage of Dodd-Frank, the industry-approved bill to “reform” the industry.

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http://www.newgeography.com/content/003010-the-screwed-election-wall-street-can%E2%80%99t-lose-and-america-can%E2%80%99t-win

Please, all I'm asking is for you to read between the lines.

HE IS JUST AS BIG A CROOK AS ROMNEY!

[barosa]

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You seems to be confusing POLITICAL DONATIONS with Obama's net worth
What has one got to do with the other

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Plenty, Obama's political career continues with donations from these sources. His career=money, and he did this at the expense of the American taxpayer.
Do you honestly think he chose a political career out of the goodness of his heart to help people? He's nothing more than a ruthless politician not un-like the WHITE politicians out there. <span style="font-weight: bold">( I used color. That seems to be what you understand?) </div></div></span>

<span style="font-style: italic">You never cease to amaze &quot;I man&quot;.</span> ~ It's plain to see that you are a captive of your
very own thought process..

My response to you is simply this: ~ You never cease to AMAZE &quot;I man&quot;...
I will further add this : ~ <span style="font-weight: bold"> As a man thinketh, So is He..</span>
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[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Obama is also rich. Maybe not as rich as Romney, but he certainly has more in common with Romney than he has with us.

All these politicians are part of the ruling elite and are not affected by the economy in the way that we are. </div></div>

Obama got out of debt (paying law school bills and such) when he wrote his book Stories of My Father.. Other than that he was struggling like us, paying a mortgage, paying student loans, paying taxes </div></div>



That's the spin... But the president of Harvard law knows he will get some big bucks someday...you can't get that position without being good with the ol boys club

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Obama is also rich. Maybe not as rich as Romney, but he certainly has more in common with Romney than he has with us.

All these politicians are part of the ruling elite and are not affected by the economy in the way that we are. </div></div>

Obama got out of debt (paying law school bills and such) when he wrote his book Stories of My Father.. Other than that he was struggling like us, paying a mortgage, paying student loans, paying taxes </div></div>



That's the spin... But the president of Harvard law knows he will get some big bucks someday...you can't get that position without being good with the ol boys club </div></div>

President of the Harvard Law <span style="font-weight: bold">Review </span> Then why did it take him until 2007-2008 to get in the $$ when he had finished Harvard Law back in the 80s?

Obama never went the corporate route