US Ambassador to Libya killed...

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> olberman isn't here ..you shouldn't address him as if he is</div></div>

I'm addressing it the way I want it to be addressed. If you post such nonsense you support such nonsense. Kia does not support Obama? You don't support Obama?

Why do you have such an interest in Obama being elected anyway?

You live in Canada. I mean other than the American taxpayers subsidizing the drugs that Canadians practically get for free at Americans expense...or the use of our hospitals when Canada can't handle the load. What other self interest do you have?

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Why do you have such an interest in Obama being elected anyway?



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Pretty well the whole world is impacted by what happens in The US, Canada more so that many other countries just because of our proximity.

In my view Obama is the greater hope for peace in the world and so i tend to support him.

[Cultcha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> olberman isn't here ..you shouldn't address him as if he is</div></div>

I'm addressing it the way I want it to be addressed. If you post such nonsense you support such nonsense. Kia does not support Obama? You don't support Obama?

Why do you have such an interest in Obama being elected anyway?

You live in Canada. I mean other than the American taxpayers subsidizing the drugs that Canadians practically get for free at Americans expense...or the use of our hospitals when Canada can't handle the load. What other self interest do you have?

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Canada and the U.S.A. are each others largest trading partners so whoever is elected has a huge influence on both countries. The U.S.A. gets more oil from Canada than from Saudi Arabia.

It does not surprise me that you may not be aware of these facts because it just affirms how we outside of the U.S.A. view your country. U.S. citizens (on the whole) know very little about the world outside of their own borders.

[Emperah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
DWL I find this absolutely hilarious... Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are not in charge of the country, OBAMA IS!
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You really believe that?
I think you know better that he is not in charge.

[Emperah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In my view Obama is the greater hope for peace in the world and so i tend to support him.
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The rest of the world nuh feel so at all. And I'm quite sure those who have been killed by his drone attacks don't feel like collateral damage. America (who eva is in charge) doesn't care about world peace. World domination is dem ting and dem a hope fi force peace through it, but it naah guh werk.

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is RC Keith Olbermann?

It's apparent the radical right who pushed this inflammatory video to stir up emotions in the Middle East was successful. The only problem......they didn't weigh in on the cost. The cost of American lives. Something they seem to be quite familiar with. Cost of life is irrelevant to them. They consider it, &quot;a casualty of war.&quot;

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan w/their callousness of the whole situation, and total disregard to 'denounce' the video that cost this country the loss of 4 innocent men, is beyond appalling. I still question Mitt's expedience in getting out in front of our president regarding the breach in Egypt and Libya. It leaves room for many questions. What did he know? And when did he know it? I'm sorry but I feel very strong about this whole matter.

Has Mitt's team been in touch w/Pastor Terry? What did Mitt discuss w/Pat Robertson? It's almost as if Mitt knew there was something big going to happen that he came out so fast to discuss the matter. It's very troubling to me.

where I found the Olbermann comment </div></div>

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm talking about, Because you are an OBAMA-BOT, you are saying that the right had something to do with this. You don't have any proof of what you speak, but you will spread this nonsense around with out any element of truth. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE. YOU ARE SEEING THINGS THROUGH YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVE AND NOT FROM FACTUAL PROVEN INFORMATION.

DWL I find this absolutely hilarious... Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are not in charge of the country, OBAMA IS! Spin, spin, spin and blame someone else...It's just amazing, and I don't even like Romney!

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u can find Olbermann on his FB page.. I know you are not talking to me

[kia027]

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Don't let the virulent hatred of Obama's presidency - veiled in &quot;policy differences&quot; - fool you. Just ask someone raised around bigotry. Carlos Dews is an author, a professor of English literature, and chairman of the Department of English Language and Literature at John Cabot University in Rome.

''The [censored] show.&quot; I first heard this expression used to describe the Obama administration during a visit to my hometown in East Texas during the early summer of 2009. I understood what the epithet meant: Our minds are made up, the president lacks legitimacy, and there is nothing he can do that we will support. I was not surprised to hear such a phrase. I grew up in the 1960s during the ragged end of the Jim Crow era, where many of the books in my school library were stamped Colored School, meaning they had been brought to the white school when the town was forced to integrate the public school system. I recall my parents had instructed me, before my first day of elementary school, not to sit in a chair where a black child had sat. And I remember my sister joked that her yearbook, when it appeared at the end of her first year of integrated high school, was in &quot;black and white.&quot;
The outward signs of racism of my home state have now disappeared, but racial hatred remains. My father and his friends still use the word [censored] to refer to all black people, and the people of my hometown don't hesitate to spout their racist rhetoric to my face, assuming I agree with them. I hold my tongue for the sake of having continued access to this kind of truth. I learned long ago how not to accept the hatred I was being taught and how to survive not having done so. More recently, I realized that I also learned another lesson: how to recognize racism when it masquerades as something else.

More than 40 years after my first experiences with racism, I am thousands of miles away in Rome, but surrounded by ghosts. Last year, I received a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts for a community program called the Big Read, which sponsors activities to encourage communities to come together to read and discuss a single book. I chose Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, in part because I thought that some of the most salient issues in the novel - racism, classism, xenophobia, the Jim Crow era - were perhaps relevant to an increasingly diverse, contemporary Italy. That there is racism in Italy is obvious to anyone who pays attention to current affairs. In fact, during the first week of the Big Read Rome, a story in one of Italy's national newspapers detailed the experience of a Nigerian woman being called sporca nera (essentially, dirty [censored]) by two women she asked to stop smoking on a Roman bus. But I never imagined that consideration of the novel would prove so relevant to a country that had just elected its first black president. Ironically, until the election of Barack Obama, my discussions of racism in the United States seemed historical. I felt that with the passage of the civil rights legislation of the mid-1960s, the country had turned a corner, that the slow evaporation of overt racism was perhaps inevitable. Now, my personal experience of Southern racism feels current and all too familiar. A news story about the Big Read that appeared in La Repubblica on Sept. 20 (unaware that my grant was awarded during the Bush administration), presciently brought Rome, Obama, To Kill a Mockingbird, and racism together in its headline: &quot;Obama brings antiracist book to Rome.&quot;

Jimmy Carter was lambasted for having recently explained that the vehemence with which many Americans resist Obama's presidency is an expression of racism. Carter was accused of fanning the flames of racial misunderstanding by labeling as &quot;racist&quot; what on the surface could be perceived as legitimate policy differences. Like Carter, as a white Southern man, I can see beyond the seemingly legitimate rhetoric to discern what is festering behind much of the opposition to Obama and to his administration's policy initiatives. I also have access, via the racist world from which I came, direct confirmation of the racial hatred toward Obama.

The veiled racism I sense in the United States today is couched, in public discourse at least, in terms that allow for plausible deniability of racist intent. And those who resist any policy initiative from the Obama administration engage in a scorched-earth policy that reminds me of the self-centered white flight, the abandonment of public schools, and the proliferation of private schools, that followed the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision to desegregate public schools. The very people, like my own rural, working-class family back in East Texas, who stand to gain from the efforts of the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress are, because of their racism, willing to oppose policies that would benefit them the most. Their racism outweighs their own self-interest.
Unfortunately, racists in the United States have learned one valuable lesson since the 1960s: They cannot express their racism directly. In public, they must veil their racial hatred behind policy differences. This obfuscation makes direct confrontation difficult. Anyone pointing out their racist motivations runs the risk of unfairly playing &quot;the race card.&quot; But I know what members of my family mean when they say - as so many said during the town hall meetings in August - that they &quot;want their country back.&quot; They want it back, safely, in the hands of someone like them, a white person. They feel that a black man has no right to be the president of their country.

During a phone conversation a few weeks after Obama's election, my father lamented that he and my mother might have to stop visiting the casinos in Shreveport, La.: Given Obama's election, &quot;the [censored] are already walking around like they own the place. They won't even give up their seats for white women anymore. I don't know what we're going to do with 'em.&quot;

My students often ask me how I managed to avoid accepting the lesson in racism offered by my family. From the time I was 4 or 5 years old - roughly the same age as Scout Finch, the narrator of To Kill a Mockingbird - I recall knowing that I didn't agree with racism. More important, my paternal grandmother provided me with the encouragement that I could ignore what I was being taught. She provided me with the courage to resist.
My grandmother hoped that my father and his father represented the last generations of the type of Southern man that had shaped her life - virulently racist, prone to violence, proud of their ignorance, and self-defeatingly stubborn. It was a type of Southern man that she hoped and prayed I could avoid becoming.

However, my father and his father were not the last of their kind; their racial hatred has been passed on. My grandmother, if she were alive, would recognize the same tendencies among many of the people who shout down politicians and bring guns to public rallies. She would also see how the only change they have made is to replace overt racist epithets with more euphemistic language.

Rather than seeing my home state and its racist attitudes, slowly, over time, pulled in the direction of more acceptance, the country as a whole has become more like the South, the racial or cultural equivalent of what is called the Walmartization of American retail.

It might be easy to see literature as impotent in the face of the persistence and adaptability of racism. But I continue to believe in the transformative potential of literature and its ability to provide an alternative view of the world. And for children who are not lucky enough to have grandmothers like mine, I believe that books like To Kill a Mockingbird can provide inoculation against the virus that is racism.________________________________
This article originally appeared in the December 2009 issue of Aspenia, the Italian journal published by the Aspen Foundation Italy.

[j-kid]

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Yun kno suppen, mi would ah did lose ah whole lotta money if mi di gog bet dat Tyrone was ah Black guy. How many white guys dat unnu know wid di name Tyrone? All ah di Tyrones dem dat mi kno is of di darker shade.

[lonewolf]

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Rich and Milo and any other Canadians, I apologise if I was disrespectful, I got caught up in the heat of the discussion. Of course you have an interest, even more so than the rest of the free world.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Canada and the U.S.A. are each others largest trading partners so whoever is elected has a huge influence on both countries. <span style="font-weight: bold">The U.S.A. gets more oil from Canada than from Saudi Arabia.</span> </div></div>

Yes, I'm very much aware of where my oil comes from. Canada, Saudia Arabia, Mexico Venezuela and Nigeria are the top five crude oil import sources for the US.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It does not surprise me that you may not be aware of these facts because it just affirms how we outside of the U.S.A. view your country. <span style="font-weight: bold">U.S. citizens (on the whole) know very little about the world outside of their own borders</span>. </div></div>

Please, don't include me with your broad brush stroke. Some of what you say is true, because if people knew what was going on around them they certainly would not re-elect Obama.

Example: How do Canadians feel about Obama stopping the Canadian oil pipeline into the US?


PS People in the US have not had a need to care about what goes on outside of their borders, because they have been to consumed with their every day lives and ' keeping up with the joneses' which has led to the overspent American...and which also has led to the corrupt American political system. No one needed to care...life was good.

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You really believe that?
I think you know better that he is not in charge. </div></div>

Yes, I agree and understand your point as it pertains to the big picture, but the blame belongs to the President. He and Hillary have laid the ground work for what we see in the middle east.

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> u can find Olbermann on his FB page.. I know you are not talking to me</div></div>

Thank you Kia, I'll print his page out, and if I ever run out of toilet paper I'll have good use for Keith's nonsense.

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dahJahI</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In my view Obama is the greater hope for peace in the world and so i tend to support him.
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The rest of the world nuh feel so at all. And I'm quite sure those who have been killed by his drone attacks don't feel like collateral damage. America (who eva is in charge) doesn't care about world peace. World domination is dem ting and dem a hope fi force peace through it, but it naah guh werk. </div></div>

do you think Romney is more or less likely to wage war ?

[Emperah]

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Hell no, de two a dem a war lawd all wah har name clinton waan boom up iran tuh.

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dahJahI</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hell no, de two a dem a war lawd all wah har name clinton waan boom up iran tuh. </div></div>

so what has been stopping Obama from attacking Iran if that is his desire?

[Emperah]

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nuh worry him still goin duh dat. Aftah is not him dat call de shots, dis is why it nuh mattah who eendeh