Shocked at How Segregated & Stratified American Communities Still Are

[Tropicana]

Elmont New York

Black alone - 14,587 (43.9%)
Hispanic - 7,236 (21.8%)
White alone - 6,494 (19.6%)
Asian alone - 3,609 (10.9%)
Two or more races - 716 (2.2%)
Other race alone - 450 (1.4%)
American Indian alone - 98 (0.3%)
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone - 8 (0.02%)


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Elmont...#ixzz2DNPhpatT

[Tropicana]

New York State

http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=191

Location

Total pop

White pop

White percent

Black pop

Black percent

Asian pop

Asian percent

Other pop

Other percent

2 or more races pop

2 or more races percent

Hispanic pop

Hispanic percent

Garden City village

22,371

20,812

93.0

304

1.4

797

3.6

194

0.9

264

1.2

1,003

4.5%

[RichD]

Nothing new. Lots of East Indians around Malton. Also a lot of Black families. Doesn't mean majority or predominately.

define "predominantly" for me please. if you have nearly 50% one ethnicity and the next biggest group is about 15% what yuh call that?

[RichD]

Elmont New York

Black alone - 14,587 (43.9%)
Hispanic - 7,236 (21.8%)
White alone - 6,494 (19.6%)
Asian alone - 3,609 (10.9%)
Two or more races - 716 (2.2%)
Other race alone - 450 (1.4%)
American Indian alone - 98 (0.3%)
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone - 8 (0.02%)


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Elmont...#ixzz2DNPhpatT

and how dis differer from a place like Malton?

[kia027]

Once again this point had not been raised and makes no sense as a basis of segregation. I can understand language differences.

Sorry it does not make sense to you.. Read Holger Henke's book and understand that cultural differences do make a difference..

[Tropicana]

Significantly. when you break it down to the city level there is about a 13% difference which is significant when comparing Malton with Elmont (2 areas that I selected as they are easy to compare). I wanted to pick the most extreme Canadian example.

When you break it down to the census track level which captures results by polling station, the results for the USA show much higher segregation than those for Canada. I have seen the data and it is compelling.

No I am not going to spend any time digging those up to prove what is obvious and what people are intent on denying. I have already done enough work on this. Let someone else drill deeper who is trying to deny what is obvious.

The tools are here for the USA:

http://www.census.gov/main/www/access.html

and

http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tractez.html

and here for Canada

http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2006/dp-pd/prof/92-597/index.cfm

My questions are:

- Why is the USA so backward w.r.t. having integrated communities?

and based on the usual denial evident by the responses here:

- What's behind the denial? What are people so afraid of that they can't admit the obvious that Canadian communities are much more integrated?

[Tropicana]

define "predominantly" for me please. if you have nearly 50% one ethnicity and the next biggest group is about 15% what yuh call that?

Nearly 50%? Where did you see that boss? The highest figure we have been able to come up with for Canada is 30.6%. I already defined predominantly. 1/3 of a population is hardly predominant. There are far more people in Malton who are NOT East Indian. They don't even make up 1/3 of the population.

[RichD]

Nearly 50%? Where did you see that boss? The highest figure we have been able to come up with for Canada is 30.6%. I already defined predominantly. 1/3 of a population is hardly predominant. There are far more people in Malton who are NOT East Indian. They don't even make up 1/3 of the population.

when you look at the 2006 census for Malton total population = 38,175 ( down form 2001 figure i quoted earlier)

south asian population 19,645 ( up from the ~18,000 i quoted form 2001)

by my calculation South Asian make up 51.4% of the population.

and mi nuh mek up the numbers: http://www.portraitsofpeel.ca/pdf/fa...6%20Malton.pdf

and by a non scientific measure:


all you have to do is walk around int he area and see who is most conspicuous
pre·dom·i·nant (pr-dm-nnt)
adj.
1. Having greatest ascendancy, importance, influence, authority, or force. See Synonyms at dominant.
2. Most common or conspicuous; main or prevalent.

[Pepper]

Tropicana,

The segregation on Long Island, and I would figure a good portion of the USA is due partly to real estate agents bringing buyers to certain markets and buyers who are aware of locations like Elmont that have the demographic of people they are comfortable with.

My uncle used to live on Long Island and when he told the agent what area he liked, she kept taking him to Hempsted and some other town. He eventually dumped her and found an agent that took him to the town he wanted.

[Peasie]

entertainment value of this thread just increased

when you look at the 2006 census for Malton total population = 38,175 ( down form 2001 figure i quoted earlier)

south asian population 19,645 ( up from the ~18,000 i quoted form 2001)

by my calculation South Asian make up 51.4% of the population.

and mi nuh mek up the numbers: http://www.portraitsofpeel.ca/pdf/fa...6%20Malton.pdf

and by a non scientific measure:


all you have to do is walk around int he area and see who is most conspicuous
pre·dom·i·nant (pr-dm-nnt)
adj.
1. Having greatest ascendancy, importance, influence, authority, or force. See Synonyms at dominant.
2. Most common or conspicuous; main or prevalent.

[Tropicana]

Tropicana,

The segregation on Long Island, and I would figure a good portion of the USA is due partly to real estate agents bringing buyers to certain markets and buyers who are aware of locations like Elmont that have the demographic of people they are comfortable with.

My uncle used to live on Long Island and when he told the agent what area he liked, she kept taking him to Hempsted and some other town. He eventually dumped her and found an agent that took him to the town he wanted.

Yes I have heard this too.

[blugiant]

Tropicana, The segregation on Long Island, and I would figure a good portion of the USA is due partly to real estate agents bringing buyers to certain markets and buyers who are aware of locations like Elmont that have the demographic of people they are comfortable with. My uncle used to live on Long Island and when he told the agent what area he liked, she kept taking him to Hempsted and some other town. He eventually dumped her and found an agent that took him to the town he wanted.

pepper yuh need fe study de racist histaree aff long island more. itt wass designed ann build to segregate. moas aff dem oyinbo woo got gi benefit fe buy house wild dem deny dem blakk gi benefit. dat y wen oyinbo chatt bout blakk peeps fe pull demselves upp by dem bootstrap yu caan use long island fe xxpose racism.

[kia027]

pepper yuh need fe study de racist histaree aff long island more. itt wass designed ann build to segregate. moas aff dem oyinbo woo got gi benefit fe buy house wild dem deny dem blakk gi benefit. dat y wen oyinbo chatt bout blakk peeps fe pull demselves upp by dem bootstrap yu caan use long island fe xxpose racism.

Yes u chatting Levittown

[Tropicana]

pepper yuh need fe study de racist histaree aff long island more. itt wass designed ann build to segregate. moas aff dem oyinbo woo got gi benefit fe buy house wild dem deny dem blakk gi benefit. dat y wen oyinbo chatt bout blakk peeps fe pull demselves upp by dem bootstrap yu caan use long island fe xxpose racism.

These are realities blugiant. Notice the denial and minimizing of issues especially from the Canadian possee whenever one attempts to address these issues. I found this truly bizarre when I first landed here on Board Lane as Jamaicans do not normally have a history of shoving issues of racism and segregation under the rug. I remember thinking "Bwoy dis breed a Jamaican different!"

[Tropicana]

Clearly I wasn't imagining what I saw so there :

New Study Finds School Segregation on Long Island is Double the National Average; Nassau is Almost Triple

Long Island Index Releases New Study: Inter-District and Intra-District Segregation on Long Island


Garden City, NY (PRWEB) May 03, 2012
Today the Long Island Index released a new study, Inter-District and Intra-District Segregation on Long Island. The study was conducted by Professor Douglas Ready from Teachers College at Columbia University. The report focuses on school segregation on Long Island, measuring the degree of segregation found within and between Long Island school districts.
The report’s key findings include the following:
-By one measure, school segregation on Long Island is double the national average; Nassau’s is almost triple.
-Black-white segregation is worse than Hispanic-white segregation, but Hispanic-white school segregation has been steadily increasing since the late 1980s, as the Hispanic population has grown to become the largest non-white racial/ethnic group in Long Island’s schools.
-Although there are some exceptions, schools in the same district aren’t that segregated; instead, entire school districts are segregated from one another.
Since school district boundaries mimic housing patterns, Long Island’s schools are highly segregated. According to recent analyses of data from the 2010 census, Long Island ranked 10th in the nation in residential segregation between blacks and whites, putting Long Island ahead of the cities of Los Angeles, Baltimore and Washington D.C. Furthermore, Long Island ranked 19th in segregation between Hispanics and whites, and this has been growing rapidly since 1993.
“This segregation costs our region dearly on a human and economic level,” said Nancy Rauch Douzinas, president of the Rauch Foundation and publisher of the Long Island Index. “Segregated, high-needs schools are the epicenters of the education gap, places where children’s needs overwhelm scarce resources. A good first step would be to create regional high schools of excellence that would draw high-achieving students from across district lines, created in ways that would not replicate the segregation that already exists.”
When Mario Cuomo was Governor of New York, Patrick Halpin, then a state legislator, supported Cuomo’s proposal for regional high schools of excellence. “It was a good idea then and it is a good idea now,” said Mr. Halpin, who is now Vice President of External Affairs for the Institute for Student Achievement. ”Governor Cuomo recognized a need for these schools, an important step in building our region’s economy. Maybe now the time has finally come to offer students an opportunity to attend schools where they can nurture and cultivate the talent employers seek to grow our economy.”
The study’s author, Douglas Ready, pointed to Long Island’s severe municipal fragmentation as one cause of the high levels of segregation between school districts. “Previous studies have found that school segregation is intensified in diverse metropolitan areas that offer many, small school districts. This is certainly what we find on Long Island, which may have the most fragmented school districts in the nation.”
To read the full report, please visit http://www.longislandindex.org.

And check out this:
http://www.eraseracismny.org/storage/documents/FINAL_ERASE_Racism_2012_Housing_Survey_Report_web_ version.pdf

Long Island is one of the most racially segregated regions in the country.
1
For the past ten years, ERASE
Racism has documented how housing discrimination plays a significant role in determining the
neighborhoods where African Americans on Long Island will most likely reside. We have reported that, as a
direct result of patterns of housing segregation, only 9% of Long Island’s black students have access to high
performing schools as compared to 30% of white students.
2
Studies have also shown that even the most
affluent black and Hispanic homeowners are segregated into majority black and Hispanic communities with
high concentrations of poverty.
3
These factors point to structural impediments for blacks to housing choice
and to quality education. Nonetheless, studies about neighborhood preferences often pose the question
about whether so-called “self-segregation” is at play by all racial groups, including blacks, rather than
structural racism.
4
In response to this assertion, we have now asked a large pool of black Long Islanders
about the characteristics they value in a neighborhood. ERASE Racism contracted with the Stony Brook
University Center for Survey Research to conduct the telephone survey of blacks on Long Island. Our
questions included perceptions of their current neighborhood and thoughts about their ideal neighborhood.
We also asked about personal experiences with housing discrimination and their desire to stay in or move
away from Long Island. In analyzing the responses, we reviewed local and national studies, conducted
Census data analysis and aggregated data from a variety of sources to expand upon and provide a context for
the survey research findings. Key findings from the survey research are incorporated in the summary of
significant findings that follow and are also listed separately below.

SUMMARY OF SIGNIFICANT FINDINGS

• Blacks prefer racially integrated communities.

Despite the popular notion that blacks only want to live in communities with neighbors who
share their own race or ethnicity, the telephone survey findings showed that given the choice, nearly all
respondents chose a racially mixed neighborhood, with a large majority, 69%, who chose an even mix of 50% white and 50% black. Only 1% of respondents said that they would like to live in a neighborhood that is all black.

• Blacks live in segregated communities regardless of their income.

Long Island continues to be one of the most racially segregated regions in the nation; in 1980 the
Dissimilarity Index for blacks in relation to whites was 76.9, with 100 representing total segregation. Thirty
years later, in 2010, the black-white level of segregation was 69.2, still very high and indicating just a slight
decrease (dropping barely 1 percentage point every five years). While Long Island also tends to be
segregated by income, income disparities cannot explain the very high level of segregation experienced by
blacks in the region. The 2005-2009 American Community Survey data show that in most metropolitan
regions throughout the US, including Long Island, the average affluent black or Hispanic household lives in a
poorer neighborhood than the average low-income white resident. Given that blacks prefer integrated
communities, this pattern of racial segregation, regardless of income, suggests that factors other than black
self-segregation are contributing to the high levels of racial segregation.

• Blacks report pervasive housing discrimination.

African Americans perceive housing discrimination as pervasive on Long Island. One in three, 33%, of black
Long Islanders surveyed reported having experienced housing discrimination first-hand or within their
immediate family. Our previous housing reports, reports by others and various law suits have documented
the ongoing problem of fair housing violations, including racial steering by real estate agents, predatory
lending by banks, and discriminatory municipal policies. Housing discrimination promotes and preserves
residential and school segregation.