George Zimmerman Trial

[lonewolf]

This person is either white or an Uncle Ruckus.

Why because he disagrees with you? God forbid someone thinks different than someone else on this site.

It would make for real boring conversation if everyone agreed.

[Tropicana]

As always, you insist on derailing discussions. THIS is one of the Ziimmerman trial/Trayvon Martin discussions. Why derail another thread.

And was Trayvon Martin really the squeaky clean innocent child the media wanted everyone to believe?

Irrelevant. Most teenagers go through a stage where they show bad judgement about something. The issue is not whether or not he was a choir boy. The issue is that he left home UNARMED to buy Skittles and ice tea in an upscale, gated community and he ended up dead as someone made it there business to harrass him based on his colour and clothing.

I mean the picture of him with the hoodie on national news was not that of a 17 yr old? That appeared to be a much younger picture of him? Don't you think?

So what?

Are the stories that the prosecution and media deliberately ignored and covered up Martin's involvement in burgalaries true? And the firing of the person on the prosecution team for deleting evidence on Martin's phone?

Now you are just making up stuff. Why do you have a need to assassinate the young man's character. Do you hate Black people THAT much that any time ANY unarmed Black person is gunned down you think it's perfectly okay.

Yeah, it sort of is, because there is ignorance in all races of people and this is not just the white phenomenon that blacks would have people believe. There are racial attacks by both white and blacks and this is media hype to stir things up and it does nothing but divide the races.

What good is going to come out of this?

Ignorance in all races huh? If you believe that you have really swallowed the pablum the media has been feeding you.

[lonewolf]

Ignorance in all races huh? If you believe that you have really swallowed the pablum the media has been feeding you.

So you are saying there is not?

[lonewolf]

Now you are just making up stuff.

No I'm not Tropi. Do your home work.

Why do you have a need to assassinate the young man's character. .

I haven't. He assassinated his own character by his actions.

Do you hate Black people THAT much that any time ANY unarmed Black person is gunned down you think it's perfectly okay

Again, do your home work. From the very begining I said Zimmerman was guilty of unjustly killing Martin and I believe he deserves punishment...all you have to do is look back on the threads and read my comments.

You have a problem absorbing information and you respond with emotional outburst that is indicative to knee jerk reaction, and while doing so assassinate my character. You are posting things that are not true.

[LinSkinny]

Intriguing how news reports serving one argument are valid but other news reports are not...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing/index.html?iref=allsearch

[Tropicana]

No I'm not Tropi. Do your home work.



I haven't. He assassinated his own character by his actions.



Again, do your home work. From the very begining I said Zimmerman was guilty of unjustly killing Martin and I believe he deserves punishment...all you have to do is look back on the threads and read my comments.

You have a problem absorbing information and you respond with emotional outburst that is indicative to knee jerk reaction, and while doing so assassinate my character. You are posting things that are not true.

[LinSkinny]

Those who have been around or frequent the firearms forums will know the name Massad Ayoob. I am aware that there will be some calling him whitey, racist or something to that effect. I am also aware nothing anyone says on here will change anybody's mind that has already been made up, but for those remaining that still have an objective stance on this case, there are a series of entries on his page. It is really interesting reading. Even stuff I didn't know about, with regards to the 'murder' weapon that was never brought up in court. I challenge those of you who talked about no Martin DNA on the weapon to find and pick out that little detail. Sure that detail can be argued the opposite way too, but one has to admit it is consistent with testimony. Massad was consulted as an expert witness so he had access to the evidence. Like I said, for those remaining with an open mind, feel free to read the entries. There is good information in there, with 10 entries so far, last entry today with more to come.

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/13/the-zimmerman-verdict-part-1/

[jah_yout]

Magga and skinny don't mean sh*t. Me know some likkle short skinny woman whe can put 200lb man pon him back and mek him screan like likke girl" An me nah talk 'bout sex. Aikido is a very interesting martial art and when you see some unassuming short man or woman, drop a big man, you will tink differently...that is IF you want to.

yep...hardcore conditioned mind over here...that's the problem with conditioning...it sometimes over-rides logic & common sense...to the point that some can view a grown fat armed man who stalks a skinny unarmed teenager against police instructions as a victim & a person who needed to defend himself using deadly force...perception is everything in this mass-hypnotized society and most don't even know they are hypnotized;
your thoughts are programmed by the hidden hand who molded the people in this way...two americas, separate & on different pages; the legacy of the "founding fathers"---illogical racism & hatred, based on psychosis & greed

[LinSkinny]

...that some can view a grown fat armed man who stalks a skinny unarmed teenager against police instructions as a victim

Me neutral bout the whole case, since I wasn't there, yet me hardcore conditioned or hypnotized? The quote above is pure speculation and was covered at length by the testimony in the trial and also in the article I posted. Still deh pon the media swing or di race card eeh? No different dan calling out Bill Cosby because im not dwelling pon race either when im talk bout di case. Noting I can do bout dat. But wait...since you neva read di article weh cover di quote up deh, mek I help you...(not dat it matta, but fi di benefit of others who still have an open mind. )

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/28/zimmerman-verdict-part-9-the-propaganda-factor/

[jah_yout]

Me neutral bout the whole case, since I wasn't there, yet me hardcore conditioned or hypnotized? The quote above is pure speculation and was covered at length by the testimony in the trial and also in the article I posted. Still deh pon the media swing or di race card eeh? No different dan calling out Bill Cosby because im not dwelling pon race either when im talk bout di case. Noting I can do bout dat. But wait...since you neva read di article weh cover di quote up deh, mek I help you...(not dat it matta, but fi di benefit of others who still have an open mind. )

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/Massa...aganda-factor/

that blogger's opinion piece is a silly joke...you defy reality by not acknowledging that george zimmerman initiated actions that resulted in the death of a young man going about his business and got off scott free...like i said the nation has been programmed over 400 years of philosophical indoctrination commonly referred to as racism.
or do i need to remind you of the US supreme court's "dred scott decision" of 1850 which stated no black man in america has any rights which a white man is bound to respect...so you think there are no roots to perception? hypnotized;
with hypnosis reality is processed in a different way...so two individuals can look at the same object & process them entirely differently; this is not to imply that any one race has a monopoly on being hypnotized---as far as bill cosby-- that is another topic...but i can show that his statements castigating "black" people are incomplete...same way prez obama's statements on the verdict & race were incomplete...in both cases the statements glaringly lack context; you can't discuss effects fully without discussing causes

[Tropicana]

[LinSkinny]

that blogger's opinion piece is a silly joke.

Your opinion, but you cannot sit there and argue that his opinion don't mean anyting when him see evidence we (meaning you or I) neva see. Arguing that his opinion is a joke is like me saying your opinion is a joke because you still deh pon di race ting. (note dat I didn't say dat. It is just for illustration.)

You defy reality by not acknowledging that george zimmerman initiated actions that resulted in the death of a young man going about his business and got off scott free...

We speculating again, but see part 3 which talk bout dat. You wasn't there, nor was I, so it don't matter how much race you bring up, bout how black man dis and white man dat, because none of us know what really happen. I also said this earlier in the thread: "Yes, it entirely possible that GZ is guilty but the evidence 'appears' (note the quotes) to refute that."

like i said the nation has been programmed over 400 years of philosophical indoctrination commonly referred to as racism.
or do i need to remind you of the US supreme court's "dred scott decision" of 1850 which stated no black man in america has any rights which a white man is bound to respect...so you think there are no roots to perception? hypnotized;

We still deh pon race dis and race dat, yet there is no evidence that race played any part in this case, except when the dispatcher asked for a description. That question is asked every time somebody calls the police. I've called for suspicious vehicles on my property and the description question was asked every time.

you can't discuss effects fully without discussing causes

Dis is an interesting comment to me, because I come off di race card long time. People calling me blind because I neva experience race issues while I was in JA. The groups I hung out with were mixtures of all kinds and everybody got along. Plus we still ignoring the possibility dat TM may have started the confrontation with a sucker punch as stated. There is no evidence to refute that.

"Putting together the timelines of the calls – hard evidence – and the testimony of the prosecution’s “star witness” Rachel Jeantel. When Zimmerman lost sight of Martin, the latter was a very short distance from home. Yet in the four minutes thereafter, he had to have left that location and gone toward Zimmerman’s. Even Jeantel admits that the first words of the confrontation she heard were from Martin, before the phone went dead."

See at one time I believed the media hype in the case too, but remained neutral. As di evidence come out, the more I saw how the prosecution was making it hard for the defense. Anyways, mek we agree fi disagree pon dis one, because everybody entitled to dem opinion. You believe seh GZ guilty and was stalking TZ which led to im death, and me still neutral since I wasn't there.

I just tink bout something. I guess is curiosity, but let's play the race card wid a question...di stories (like dis one) bout GZ family mentoring black kids is just show? What's your opinion on dat?

[jah_yout]

you still deh pon di race ting

yep because this is about race..maybe you're too jamaican & don't really overstand the racial history & dynamics of the usa

We speculating again, but see part 3 which talk bout dat. You wasn't there, nor was I, so it don't matter how much race you bring up, bout how black man dis and white man dat, because none of us know what really happen. I also said this earlier in the thread: "Yes, it entirely possible that GZ is guilty but the evidence 'appears' (note the quotes) to refute that."

not speculation...but for those under hypnosis...in that state, they view every young black man as suspicious & lethally dangerous--so any action against him is justified...perhaps a sheltered jamaican who has little knowledge of american history...i was just quoting the u.s. supreme court with all that "black man white man" stuff

We still deh pon race dis and race dat, yet there is no evidence that race played any part in this case, except when the dispatcher asked for a description. That question is asked every time somebody calls the police. I've called for suspicious vehicles on my property and the description question was asked every time.

alternate reality...race played every part in this case

See at one time I believed the media hype in the case too, but remained neutral. As di evidence come out, the more I saw how the prosecution was making it hard for the defense. Anyways, mek we agree fi disagree pon dis one, because everybody entitled to dem opinion. You believe seh GZ guilty and was stalking TZ which led to im death, and me still neutral since I wasn't there.

courtrooms are only as true as all the parties involved; plenty of criminals have been acquitted in courts & plenty innocent ppl sent to captivity or death...yes these are all opinions, i agree; "guilty" is not a word i have ever used throughout this whole thing; it's not even a question if gz was guilty of causing this young man's death...& walked scott free

I just tink bout something. I guess is curiosity, but let's play the race card wid a question...di stories (like dis one) bout GZ family mentoring black kids is just show? What's your opinion on dat?

i bet jeffery dahmer mentored a few "black" kids...right before he ate them,,,thomas jefferson had "black" children and was still a filthy racist...so your point?

[Tropicana]

I don't think she is Jamaican. She clearly hates Black people as evidenced by her constantly taking up for anyone who murders or harms a Black person. She always comes in here and blames the Black person.

[kia027]

I don't think she is Jamaican. She clearly hates Black people as evidenced by her constantly taking up for anyone who murders or harms a Black person. She always comes in here and blames the Black person.

who are you discussing?