Documentary: Who is Black?

[My Looh]

duss awf cinder block. Siddung wid two patty an a skyjuice

Mi will trade yu one patty fi one a mi bulla cake dem.

[Tropicana]

More about Black denial in the Dominican Republic:

[Tropicana]

[Peasie]

Mi will trade yu one patty fi one a mi bulla cake dem.

Bulla too tuff fimmi delicate jaw. But come katch ya side a mi. Yuh have coolie plum?

[Tropicana]

Blacks in Argentina -- officially a few, but maybe a million

Maria Lamadrid, an Afro-Argentine, vividly recalls the day when her country's immigration authorities prevented her from boarding a plane for Panama, demanding she present them with a "real passport."

"They told me, 'This can't be your passport. There are no blacks in Argentina,' " she said of the 2001 incident.
The authorities at Ezeiza International Airport had no idea that the woman they detained for six hours is the president of Africa Vive, or "Africa Lives," a prominent black rights group in Buenos Aires.

Lamadrid, who is in her mid-50s, founded the organization in 1996 to combat poverty, lobby for jobs and educational opportunities in the black community and raise awareness of African culture and history in South America's "whitest" nation. About 97 percent of Argentina's 39 million inhabitants describe themselves as white.
Indeed, most Argentines are of Spanish and Italian descent with almost half believed to be eligible for Italian passports. A long-running joke is that an Argentine is an Italian who speaks Spanish and thinks he's British.


Given the common belief among her fellow citizens that all blacks who reside in Argentina are foreigners, says Lamadrid, her organization -- with financial aid from the World Bank and Argentina's census bureau -- is currently working to add an "Afro-descendants" category to the 2010 census.

The census project is part of a campaign by a new office launched early this year by the Organization of American States. "The Special Rapporteurship on the Rights of Persons of African Descent," which says African descendants compose 40 percent of the poor in the Americas, plans to investigate reports of racial discrimination as well as prepare special studies on Latin American citizens of African descent.

The number of Argentines with African ancestry is difficult to gauge. Although Africa Vive says there are a million Afro-descendants, anthropologists say the number may be no higher than 10,000. The widespread belief that blacks died off from yellow fever epidemics and during Indian wars in which they were promised freedom for fighting on the front lines is deeply rooted.
When famed African American entertainer Josephine Baker visited Argentina in the 1950s, she reportedly asked the biracial minister of public health, Ramon Carillo: 'Where are the Negroes?' " Carillo answered: 'There are only two, you and I.' "
"In Argentina people consider me African or black, but not Argentine," said Miguel Yannone, a member of Familia Rumba Nuestra, an Afro-Argentine band.

Miriam Gomes, a professor of literature at the University of Buenos Aires, says historians are somewhat to blame for the stereotypes.

"Argentina's history books have been partly responsible for misinformation regarding Africans in Argentine society," she said. "Argentines say there are no blacks here. If you're looking for traditional African people with very black skin, you won't find it. African people in Argentina are of mixed heritage."
African slaves were first brought to Argentina in the 1770s to toil on large haciendas and serve as domestic servants. Slavery wasn't abolished until 1853.

The 1778 census showed that 7,236 of 24,363 Buenos Aires residents, or 30 percent, were African. That figure dropped to 2 percent by 1887 -- the final year blacks were included as a separate category. Some rights activists say the government eliminated a black category to promote an image of homogeneity. In its place, census takers introduced euphemistic race classifications.
"When I was issued my (government) identification card ... they had written wheat as the color of my skin," said Lucia Molina, director of the Indo-Afro-American House of Culturein the northeastern city of Santa Fe. "They just tell you that you can't be black."
The military junta that ruled Argentina between 1976 and 1983 further marginalized Afro-Argentine culture as part of a larger wave of repression, according to Alejandro Solomianski, a professor of Latin American Cultural Studies at California State Universityat Los Angeles. Only after the economy collapsed in 2001 did Afro-Argentines begin to question their identity and resurrect their past culture.

"The economic crisis in Argentina left many people ... seeing holes in what they were told by the government and in history books," said Solomianski. "They started realizing that if the government was false then maybe their whole identity was false."
On its Web site, Africa Vive says some of the nation's most cherished cultural activities -- tango and the Sunday barbecue (asado) -- are rooted in African culture. It also mentions such well-known Argentines of African descent as musician Jose Maria Morales, composerCasildo Thompson and poet Gabion Ezeiza. The nation's first president, Bernardino Rivadavia, was called the "Chocolate Dictator" by his political opponents.

Meanwhile, Lamadrid points to her airport detention as an example of how difficult the struggle will be to sway public opinion.
"They (customs officials) said: 'I'm more Argentine than you because my ancestors have been here for five generations,' " she said. "It's sad because the group most afflicted is the youth who grow up not realizing they are black."

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Blacks-in-Argentina-officially-a-few-but-2559399.php

[evanovitch]

Tropi , stop TRY play fool fi ketch wise....wat u a copy n paste is not answering my question of U n of UR decision making n of HOW u portray urself via ur postings...comprehende?

yeah yeah, we know about how WHITE society chose to determine who dem would EXCLUDE....cause I don't see it as being a measure of inclusion...u know, being brite, lite n n dynam near wite...

n U should know dat one ting di I DONT need is being educated via copy n paste....u know dat wat I know u yet to find out...okay...

so come n deal wid what I have asked u...is not a fight...is a discussion along the lines of which u supposedly like ....so wat di problem...

mi need fi draw rather dan spell ala Miss Lou....if u not sure of wat I am asking based on what I pointed out, ask me...but stop di Muhammed ALi ing bout di place...u no butterfly n u no bee..cho

[evanovitch]

It's what I say about myself that's most important = very naive.


see dis is from the post which must have interest to u hence ur sharing it...so wen mi read ur answer re ur self n even more, ur reasons for choices, it mek mi wonder y then u so hard wid odda people choices...mi do di said ting too depending on di choice but wen it come to hair mi can decry weave n perm tru my hair naturally styled n mi wear my naturals in dem afro n loc style thru out my majority n in my job circumstances....n I have worked across the spectrum of wat is termed CORPORATE America....

so ur excuses dat I outlined in bold etc ketch mi eye n spur mi interest... n u a disappoint wid wid di bob n weave...pun intentional

[evanovitch]

mi naw lie...mi all figet whe mi did really wan get to wid u...u disappoint di I still...mi did tink u had thoughts outside copy n paste..fi real...or maybe u shy...(((())))

[blugiant]

Tropi mi no wan discuss hair mi a mek a statement re ur revelation of self...the question was initially asked because fi smaddy who love question blackness I wondered if u wore ur hair in its natural state ....I see now, that u don't n u do wat u chide in others...mek excuse fi y dem cant be totally 'black'...dats all...

evan sum afrikkan tribes dye dem hair fore contact widd oyinbo

sum afrikkans peeps inn pacific ave blue eyes ann blond hair

ar yuh seyinn dem nuh blakk?

wat mii bunn fiyah pon iss blakk oomen woo use dangerous babylon chemicals pon dem hair like perms cah dem tryinn fe look oyinbo

y mii wass stayinn way fram da topixx iss cah oyinbo like soledad tryinn fe define blackness ann blakk peeps need fe define owa own terms ann woo qualifii fe membarship

[Tropicana]

Quite the opposite. Of course they're Black. Dem ALL Black. Clearly you haven't watched any of the videos.

wat mii bunn fiyah pon iss blakk oomen woo use dangerous babylon chemicals pon dem hair like perms cah dem tryinn fe look oyinbo

We have 2 dedicated Black natural/chemicals/straightening discussions plus a pon Black weave discussions all started by me and already active in the hair section.

as much as you like ovah deh soh:

http://www.jamaicans.com/forums/show...al-Hair/page11

and

http://www.jamaicans.com/forums/showthread.php?78573-Do-Black-women-still-face-discrimination-for-wearing-natural-hair

Weaves thread:

http://www.jamaicans.com/forums/show...ttp-madamenoir

That is now what I am focusing on in this thread so no need to hijack it.

y mii wass stayinn way fram da topixx iss cah oyinbo like soledad tryinn fe define blackness ann blakk peeps need fe define owa own terms ann woo qualifii fe membarship

Seeit deh. Exactly my point. Her mother is Black (Afro-Cuban) so how the heck can you say she is not Black?

The point of this thread is that some people are denying their Blackness.

I wish I could post the video from the Hodge Twins.

- Blacks who say they are not black

It is well worth searching for on Youtube and viewing. They are light skinned, male Black twins with green eyes who embrace their heritage. Dem serious pon people from Latin American countries and yes some of our fellow Jamaicans who want to downplay the fact that they are Black.

I'm a Black male. I'm not the darkest Black male. I have green eyes. That's not typical for a Black person to have but I do have some of the features...like these big lips I got mmmm they come in handy for a lot of good things ....You should have caught on when your dumb Black EDIT was in the mirror looking at yourself. I don't know how you can do it "Oh I'm not Black I'm Jamaican." .....just because you have a little funny accent doesn't change the fact that you're Black.

I agree with him. It's ridiculous in 2013 to have Black people calling themselves fair, clear, red, browning, indio, moreno, and all the other foolishness.

I am giving examples of countries where Black people are denying their Blackness and calling themselves something else just show how ridiculous people look and sound when they talk like that.

[jah_yout]

any show on "blackness" done by CNN is guaranteed to be pure manure

[Tropicana]

any show on "blackness" done by CNN is guaranteed to be pure manure

So predictable especially since you probably haven't even watched it...that is why I am posting videos and articles from a variety of sources private and media so onoo can't dismiss the message.

It is almost impossible to discuss ANY issue on here. People on here can't stick to a topic and discuss it. They are intent on either hijacking discussions, attacking the topic starter and making things persona, or discounting the source so you never have to address the real issue.

Some a onoo is a trip. I guess the truth hurts too much.

[Emperah]

Mi will trade yu one patty fi one a mi bulla cake dem. Originally Posted by Peasie
duss awf cinder block. Siddung wid two patty an a skyjuice

nutin naw gwaan yasuh unno might as cheap galang a unno yaad

[Tropicana]

Jamaica Documentary - Self-Loathing Jamaicans Go to Extreme

[Gen]

especially wid dem deh kinda food. mi nuh know weh dem a guh wid snacks..

cook food we a defend

nutin naw gwaan yasuh unno might as cheap galang a unno yaad