If slavery never happened

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: If slavery never happened

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africans are still practicing genocide against each other

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seveen, do you believe that what happens when africans fight each other is a characteristic peculiar only to africans? or do you only care that africans fight each other, despite the fact that europeans commit genocide against each other, and so do other peoples?

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i don't think you can point to other numbers as great as in africa over such a long period of time

and yes i feel more sensitive to africans committing genocide - with the our rich history

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i see where you're coming from. the truth is, though, that others have been at it for as long as and as bad as africans, including europeans themselves. we're just not as familiar with their historical atrocities. consider indians (meaning people living in india) who have been murdering each other for thousands of years, and who also have a rich history.

i've long ago stopped buying into the european-fed view that africans are the most barbaric people.

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if we had been "barbaric" then slavery might not have existed and we're still not fighting back - and deem our diaspora as the reason - i'm not buying into that because the people that never left are in just as much trouble - if not more

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The latter statement is mased on the misunderstanding that slavery was not just as present in Africa as it was in the diaspora?
Any agfrican who stated that ethey were never slaves,don't know their hsitory.
Even Ethiopia ghot a touch of it from the itilians.

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seveen states "some africans provided the opportunity for slavery - many slaves were captured by other tribes or their locations were disclosed by people of the same color "

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....and i have a bridge and a clock,one is in Brooklyn New York and the other is in Kingston Jamaica, real cheap.

[Blackstar*]

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didn't Europeans have nuff tribal wars, slavery, etc too [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] in fact don't they still have tribal wars [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Yes indeed. We don't even know how many Chechens Putin has killed off.

[Seveen]

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well i will carry on with my black pride with all of my history - then and continuing and i'm not gonna carry the rock of slavery with me - there's still too much to do - and i'm not gonna let anyone turn me around - especially if i'm supposed to feel "less" because of it and i'm not blaming anyone for my future - 'cause i know skin is just that skin and sometimes you have to learn how to accept yourself - so others can - so you can get on with it

been real folks [img]/forums/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img]

[una nina]

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it must be said that Africans are masters of both mental(as in religion, pscy or what you want to call it) and physical slavery.

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Please explain your comment. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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fe de physical side, see wa evan say above. as for the rest tell me wa yu think me mean

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Okay, if you gramatically analyze the comment in question, it would appear that you are saying: "Africans are masters of both mental and physical slavery."

I don't really understand the "mental" part.

"Mental slavery" is the condition of one who's false conceptions control his/her behavior. If this is what you are claiming that Africans are masters of, I would ask you to support that assertion with "something" measurable. As as been stated repeatedly throughout this thread, yes, Africans have participated in violent actions against other Africans, but no more than any other group (or continent) of people. This is why I asked you to explain what you mean.

Now, would you mind explaining (with a bit more detail) what you mean? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]

[Q3210]

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To see with you.
We had losses too right?
Just give me an example of what you mean by gain opportunity and benefit.
What did our forefathers live and died for in slavery? Whose opportunity and whose benefit?

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Yours! You are what you are today partly because of what happened tothem, what they did, who they were.
Because of their suffering and their achievements you are what you are. Your enviroment is what it is becauseof all that too.
Cant you see that?

[rufian]

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you never answered:

Just give me an example of what was a gained opportunity and benefit.
What did our forefathers live and died for in slavery? Whose opportunity and whose benefit?

[rufian]

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there is enough in parenthesis. if you na understand ignore it. how can something mental be measured?

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[una nina]

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there is enough in parenthesis. if you na understand ignore it. how can something mental be measured?

anyhow [img]/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Hi Sukuna, you must be tired (me too). Sorry, but I can't answer any questions if you don't give me any feedback...I'm still not sure what you're saying or asking. Maybe we can pick up another time.

As for measuring mental things...you never took a spelling test? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] It measures your mental ability to remember and process information...that is just one way to measure mental things...you can measure brain waves and what they do when introduced to certain stimuli...

Anyway, we'll chat later. Peace.

[Serenity82]

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To see with you.
We had losses too right?
Just give me an example of what you mean by gain opportunity and benefit.
What did our forefathers live and died for in slavery? Whose opportunity and whose benefit?

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Yours! You are what you are today partly because of what happened tothem, what they did, who they were.
Because of their suffering and their achievements you are what you are. Your enviroment is what it is becauseof all that too.
Cant you see that?

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and how has it affected YOU as a white male. You get to live in poor, but beautiful and urally rich Jamaica and live in a ure where african, different european and native american ures mix and create such vibrancy.

right?

[Serenity82]

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it must be said that Africans are masters of both mental(as in religion, pscy or what you want to call it) and physical slavery.

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Can this racist poster sukuna be banned? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70368-hoppingmad.gif[/img]

[Blackstar*]

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Evan, just wanted to thank you for posting that excerpt from Mr. Rodney's book. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]

Here's the link for those interested in reading more: http://www.marxists.org/subject/afri...rope/index.htm
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How Africa Developed Before the Coming of the Europeans up to the 15th Century ‘Before even the British came into relations with our people, we were a developed people, having our own institutions, having our own ideas of government.’
J. E. Casely-Hayford, 1922.
African (Gold Coast) Nationalist.

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[MrsBlue]

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it must be said that Africans are masters of both mental(as in religion, pscy or what you want to call it) and physical slavery.

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Can this racist poster sukuna be banned? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70368-hoppingmad.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue">Because you strongly disagree with what sukuna is saying is not reason for her to be banned. Otherwise, you'd have been banned a long time ago. If you don't want to exchange with sukuna, don't. There's nothing that says you have to respond to every post, even if it pisses you off. </font>

[una nina]

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it must be said that Africans are masters of both mental(as in religion, pscy or what you want to call it) and physical slavery.

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Can this racist poster sukuna be banned? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70368-hoppingmad.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue">Because you strongly disagree with what sukuna is saying is not reason for her to be banned. Otherwise, you'd have been banned a long time ago. If you don't want to exchange with sukuna, don't. There's nothing that says you have to respond to every post, even if it pisses you off. </font>

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[img]/forums/images/graemlins/70458-applaud.gif[/img] Thank you, JBlue!

(Good morning to you, Ms. Blue!) [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70459-hugs.gif[/img]

[Serenity82]

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it must be said that Africans are masters of both mental(as in religion, pscy or what you want to call it) and physical slavery.

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Can this racist poster sukuna be banned? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70368-hoppingmad.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue">Because you strongly disagree with what sukuna is saying is not reason for her to be banned. Otherwise, you'd have been banned a long time ago. If you don't want to exchange with sukuna, don't. There's nothing that says you have to respond to every post, even if it es you off. </font>

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I strongly disagree with several posters, I didn't aask for Sukuna to be banned based on me disagreeing with him/her but because the poster is a racist, If I had time I would get together all the anti-black racist statements that posters has made. Try using some sort of reasoning before looking to attack someone.

[Q3210]

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you never answered:

Just give me an example of what was a gained opportunity and benefit.
What did our forefathers live and died for in slavery? Whose opportunity and whose benefit?

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At this time long after transatlantic slavery and the use of their labour on various plantations we have benefitted not as a white male, but as a society to answer hot headed serenity.
Missis Sukuna, the years subsequent to slavery has brought into the world the Tubmans and Carvers, the Garveys and McKays, the Muhammed Alis and Oprahs and millions others both of many other races as you are well aware.
By the humility, the inhumanity, the degradation suffered by your foreparents as slaves and by the extraordinary exploitation by the White owners and the powers that were at the time, does not negate the fact that by all that there has not been benefit and opportunity made to you and others alive today.
The work done on the cotton and cane fields from South America through to the West Indies to North America by your foreparents not only made it wealthy for their owners, but what they did from the first sugar crystalized and the first thread yarned, was to create wealth.
In those days wealth was chanelled to a few and not back to the persons as slaves. Today wealth derived from all their toil and from their lives you, their sons and daughters have benefitted as well as us around you.
From their subjugadation they were free by the spilling of much of their blood. Being free they were subject to freedoms, such as education and the right to earn a living.
With all that was behind them, they moved on. Today like you, do not live in slave barracks, but in homes, and do not give or allow themselves to be exploited unfairly.
From the imbalanced social structures of the era of slavery and through the making of a society through the era of the Martin Luther King`s civil rights movement and the hard core stances of the Huey`s and Angela Davis` Black Panthers the west has benefitted.
You are no doubt better off than your foreparents ever were.
And you benefitted not only by what you have done for yourself in your lifetime, but by the social structure laid as time went by first started by that slave on the plantation.
Yes serenity bawl as much as you want, we all have benefitted as much as you dont like.

Emotions may cloud the facts but in reality we today have all been given opportunity by the works of slaves and those who have survived and made this world that you draw your salaries a place of liberty and a place to make do what one chooses.