islam in jamaica...

[kthydvs]

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p.s. RC, you could change your name to mohammed, but i don't think jumping off a building will guarantee you life in paradise. surely you would have to do something as a martyr to justify your death. i just find all of this confusing.

[RollinCalf]

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"what's in store for us? please don't tell me an eternity of being subservient and subjective to a man"

No that's marriage.

"but i don't think jumping off a building will guarantee you life in paradise. surely you would have to do something as a martyr to justify your death."

OK, suppose I ask Franklyn Graham to push mi ?

[kthydvs]

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excuse my ignorance, but who is franklin graham?

[RollinCalf]

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Originally posted by kumba1:
[qb] excuse my ignorance, but who is franklin graham? [/qb]

Billy Graham's son. He (Franklyn) recently described Islam as "a very evil and wicked religion"

[paula43]

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Musa

nobody is perfect, but the Creator. all prophets (including jesus -isa- peace be upon him)
i am not say that prophet muhammad (peace be upon him) is perfect, i am saying that the message he was given is the perfect, true, pure and lasting word of God.

Musa you're contracting yourself. Would you drink from a water fountain that squirt fitly and clean water? If Muhammad was imperfect so was his message.

You said Jesus was not perfect. Then show us His imperfection. Muhammad sin is a documented fact. Jesus is the perfect sacrificial unblemished lamb that Moses and all the prophets spoke of, He is the son of God born of a virgin, crucified buried and resurrected on the third day. Moses and the people used the blood of a perfect unblemished lamb to cleanse sin. The blood of animal could not cleanse sin permanently, so God sent His only son Jesus as the sacrificial unblemished lamb to shed His sinless blood at the cross to redeem mankind from all sin, forever. Without the shedding of blood there's no remission of sin.
Was Muhammad born of a virgin? Was he sinless? Was he resurrected from the dead? Then he can't redeem any one included himself Muhammad; he too needs the Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

[jedi]

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Hmmm!

[musa]

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peace,
God is perfect, His revelations are His words given to mankind. man tries to understand it and still often missunderstands. but some man are unsincere and try to distort the revelation to fit their own agenda.
jesus was sent to redress the message given to moses that had been currupted by men. mohammad was sent to reddress the message given to jesus that had been corrupted by men.(peace be upon all the prophets).
the message given to mohammad (the holy qur'an) was kept uncorrupted has it was revealed 1400 years ago.
jesus was not a christian, he was a servant of god, a muslim, like all the prophets and the good men and women before and after him. christianity as we know it was founded in 325, almost 3 centuries after jesus left this earth.
islam means submission to the will of God and every men is born muslim, then family, society, enviroment makes him/her a christian, a jew, a buddhist etc.
there's no obscenity in the qur'an. there's no talking about 70 virgins or whatever. the shaeed, the witness, is promised total forgiveness when he/she dies in the way of Allah. this does NOT mean suicidal bombing or whatever. the rules of war are very strict and this whole phenomenon of terrorism is outside the limits set by God. we go back to the previous topic: some false people take advantage of other's people ignorance and desperation to use them. if muslims all over the world were solid on their knowledge of islam, bin laden and his friends would have no followers whatsoever. but, still, out of 1.2 billions of muslims is a few thousands that may follow (often out of ignorance) that kind of idea.
Allah , in the qur'an, describes the paradise with physical charateristics so the every man can understand, even the lowly and simple. He talks about gardens, rivers, milk, honey, fruits, homes, gold, silk and young beautiful women but it makes clear that the goal of the true believer is seeking the nearness of God.
one love,

[paula43]

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Musa

jesus was not a christian, he was a servant of god, a muslim, like all the prophets and the good men and women before and after him. christianity as we know it was founded in 325, almost 3 centuries after jesus left this earth.
islam means submission to the will of God and every men is born muslim, then family, society, enviroment makes him/her a christian, a jew, a buddhist etc.

Excuse me, Jesus was what? A Muslim! Don’t be ridiculous! Jesus was 100% Jew! The word Muslim didn’t even exist in the days of Jesus, neither was the word Christian? The follower of Jesus “Christ” was first called Christians (a derogatory name) in Antioch several years after the death and ascension of Jesus.
Musa it’s not that you don’t believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, it’s that you choose not to believe.
Look, Jesus is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Jesus, even those who pierced him on the cross; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of Jesus. So shall it be! Amen.
God exalted Jesus to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The apostle wrote. "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Your name can't be in this book if you don't believe Jesus is the son of God.

[MaryJane]

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Musa,

Jaith posted: "what was mohammud's faith before his revelation?...christian?...&, what exactly in the Bible is it that he finds disagreement with?"

I would also be interested to know the answers to these 2 questions.

Thank you

[rufian]

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Hold on, paula. Actually Jesus was an obeahman. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Remember how he mek de blind man see wid muddi? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Christian and Muslim if dem tek anything from Africa e na original, a fe we. basta [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

musa, clear me up here. The muslim religion seems to be affected by the culture of its practitioners and is not monotone as one would believe. Is this so?
In other words beliefs includes culture.

[fiver]

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by musa:

...Allah , in the qur'an, describes the paradise with physical charateristics so the every man can understand, even the lowly and simple. He talks about gardens, rivers, milk, honey, fruits, homes, gold, silk and young beautiful women...

so what's in it for the women? do they turn into lesbians?

...but it makes clear that the goal of the true believer is seeking the nearness of God.
one love,

what of the infidel who sees no God to be near to?

[fiver]

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Originally posted by paula43:
[qb] Musa

jesus was not a christian, he was a servant of god, a muslim, like all the prophets and the good men and women before and after him. christianity as we know it was founded in 325, almost 3 centuries after jesus left this earth.
islam means submission to the will of God and every men is born muslim, then family, society, enviroment makes him/her a christian, a jew, a buddhist etc.

Excuse me, Jesus was what? A Muslim! Don’t be ridiculous! Jesus was 100% Jew! The word Muslim didn’t even exist in the days of Jesus, neither was the word Christian? The follower of Jesus “Christ” was first called Christians (a derogatory name) in Antioch several years after the death and ascension of Jesus.
Musa it’s not that you don’t believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, it’s that you choose not to believe.
Look, Jesus is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Jesus, even those who pierced him on the cross; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of Jesus. So shall it be! Amen.
God exalted Jesus to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The apostle wrote. "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Your name can't be in this book if you don't believe Jesus is the son of God. [/qb]

there are few things as sad as watching someone argue that they are closer to their invisible friend than you are.

[kthydvs]

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Musa, a few questions if you wouldn't mind answering:

1. What was the message given to Moses that man has corrupted?

2. Does the Qu'ran teach that Adam was a perfect man who disobeyed GOD?

3. If that is the case, what was the punishment for his disobedience

4. Dis GOD promise Adam that he would go to heaven?

I have many more questions for you, but let's keep them short so that you have the time to answer them.

[musa]

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peace,
the children of israel were contemptious since moses was still alive and they were racially biased from the very beginning.
for example, even in the bible it is clear that the the first son of abraham was ismail and not isaac but since ismail was given to ibrahim by a slave woman they don't recognize him and try to suggest that the one son God asked ibrahim to sacrifice was isaac and not ismail. that is only because out of isaac comes jacob (israel) and out of him the 12 tribes while out of ismail comes the arab nation that brought out the last apostle, mohammad. peace be on all the prophets. there are many other instances and i could suggest you some bible-qur'an comparative study if you want to get deeper into this.
adam was not perfect, he was a man and as such was given free choice wich he misused. Allah punished him by expelling him from blessed state he was in in the beginning but He also forgave him later on and admitted him to paradise. Allah adress mankind as children of adam and since personal responsability is a cornrerstone of islam we don't believe in original sin, man being born in sin etc. each man is born pure and in a state of submission to Allah (islam) he eventually grows out of this blessed state or choose to try to stay within it.
that is to answer to paula as well: muslim is the sincere slave of God and therefore all mankind from adam on is born muslim, all the prophets, jesus included, were muslims and as i told you, you don't need to ignite: just be patient till judgment day when the thruth will be clear for everybody to see.
dear kumba, i really see sincerity in your enquires. don't hesitate pm me with any question if you so please.
one love,

[rufian]

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musa a serious question, if you can answer other than the quoran say so.
so everybody originate from Adam according to you too? ishmeal and isaac yes, but how other races get in this? How come this automatical all are children of Allah?