Originally posted by musa:
[qb] peace,
the children of israel were contemptious since moses was still alive and they were racially biased from the very beginning.
for example, even in the bible it is clear that the the first son of abraham was ismail and not isaac but since ismail was given to ibrahim by a slave woman they don't recognize him and try to suggest that the one son God asked ibrahim to sacrifice was isaac and not ismail. that is only because out of isaac comes jacob (israel) and out of him the 12 tribes while out of ismail comes the arab nation that brought out the last apostle, mohammad. peace be on all the prophets. there are many other instances and i could suggest you some bible-qur'an comparative study if you want to get deeper into this.
adam was not perfect, he was a man and as such was given free choice wich he misused. Allah punished him by expelling him from blessed state he was in in the beginning but He also forgave him later on and admitted him to paradise. Allah adress mankind as children of adam and since personal responsability is a cornrerstone of islam we don't believe in original sin, man being born in sin etc. each man is born pure and in a state of submission to Allah (islam) he eventually grows out of this blessed state or choose to try to stay within it.
that is to answer to paula as well: muslim is the sincere slave of God and therefore all mankind from adam on is born muslim, all the prophets, jesus included, were muslims and as i told you, you don't need to ignite: just be patient till judgment day when the thruth will be clear for everybody to see.
dear kumba, i really see sincerity in your enquires. don't hesitate pm me with any question if you so please.
one love, [/qb]
thank you musa for taking the time to answer me.
please let me see if i understand you.
Adam was not created a perfect man but because of his disobedience he was expelled from blessed state.
Please would you explain what is blessed state?
Later GOD forgave him and admitted him to paradise.
Where is paradise?
Did GOD create man to die and if so why? what would be the purpose of creating life only for it to die at a later date?
kumba while me waiting on musa to ansa me [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
why is it so important what a religion can promise you?
some religions na promise people nothing at all [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
wa you think about such?
Sukuna, it's not what a religion can offer me, but what is expected of me and what kind of GOD is involved in that religion. ultimately, it is what is the purpose of my being involved in that religion. if there is no purpose then it becomes pointless.
Originally posted by sukuna:
[qb] what kind of GOD is involved -
how do you define this?
What is the purpose of you being involved in your religion? [/qb]
there are many gods, but only one GOD. How is the GOD of the religion portrayed, what is believed or not about him, how is he worshipped, is there evidence to show that he is the true GOD. What qualities does he have. Does he display, love, justice, wisdom, compassion.
I believe in the GOD of the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures who created all things. He gave into our care this wonderful planet and all life that exists on it. That alone is worthy of giving him honor, glory and worship. Knowing Him has added meaning to my life. Through His word, i get an understanding of the purpose for our existence, the problems we face and how we can deal with them. He also promises everlasting life on this planet to those
1.who believe in Him and the Ransom Sacrifice of His Son, the Firstborn of all creation, Jesus Christ
2.who live their life emulating the qualities of GOD
3. who follow the teachings of Jesus
so the purpose of my believing in my GOD is because of who he is, what he has done for me and continues to do, and the promise he has made that concerns my furture. I can't do anything for him, who am i, except give him the worship he rightly deserves.
peace,
lady sukuna: all mankind comes from one couple of human beings. adam and eve.
all of us are one: the children of adam.
the latest studies in paleo-anthropology are bringing more and more proves that the most ancient human beings inhabitated the rift valley of east africa. in that region that goes from nubia -upper egypt -(the southern area of modern egypt), sudan, ethiopia and down to kenia.
as you can bring white out of black but not black out of white that makes sense.
therefore all mankind is african, they only left africa at different times in history.
dear kumba, the God you worship and love is the God i worship and love.
He is the Lord of adam, noha, ibrahim, moses, jesus and mohammad.
all sincere beliefs have a share of the truth, some share the same parts, some may be closer in one aspect and farther on another one. that is because man loves to mess with the truth for his own material interests.
let your heart guide you, ask the Lord for guidance and you see it clearly.
one love,
kumba1 wrote:
"so the purpose of my believing in my GOD is because of who he is, what he has done for me and continues to do, and the promise he has made that concerns my furture. I can't do anything for him, who am i, except give him the worship he rightly deserves. "
peace,
that is exactly what it is to me as well.
He is in no need of us. we are in need of Him for everything.
in the qur'an He says He created us but to serve Him.
it is only trough total love for Him that we accept His will, serve Him and can hope in His mercy, His presence and His paradise in the life to come.
this life is only a quick scene. real life is to come. on judgment day we will look back at this very life and perceive it the way we perceive night dreams upon waking up.
but this life is the only chance we have to reflect God's light onto humanity, give all the love we can give and do right for the sake of Allah.
don't be fooled by names.
your Lord, my Lord, THE Lord is one.
all glory and praise is to Him.
one love,
Originally posted by musa:
[qb] peace,
lady sukuna: all mankind comes from one couple of human beings. adam and eve.
all of us are one: the children of adam.
the latest studies in paleo-anthropology are bringing more and more proves that the most ancient human beings inhabitated the rift valley of east africa. in that region that goes from nubia -upper egypt -(the southern area of modern egypt), sudan, ethiopia and down to kenia.
as you can bring white out of black but not black out of white that makes sense.
therefore all mankind is african, they only left africa at different times in history.
[/qb]
I asked for it didn't i? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] So this is a creation darwin mix then?
How you bring white out of black?
If a thing is black, you have to take the black out of it to get white, as in the bleaching process, not the other way around.
peace,
maybe i did not expressed myself clearly: starting with two black parents and going down thousands of years you could have white children while you would not get black children out of white parents. but that is not really the point. darwin has nothing to do with it. and we really have no scientifical certainty on this matter. as a muslim i believe my Lord when He says we all come from 2 parents, and that makes perfect sense to me.
jaith, how can you be so sure God is not one? be patient and time will tell.
sharia is a very complex topic. it basicly means a system of laws and regulation based on the holy qur'an and the sunna (tradition) of prophet muhammad (peace be upon him). as such it is based on the interpretation of the above sources and this interpretation varies deeply from one school of law to another, one group of people, country culture to another within the much varied muslim world.
when man thinks he fully understands the will of God and tries to enforce it on other, troubles arise.
there should be no compulsion in matters of faith, the qur'an says.
one love,
And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the Children of Israel, YHWH God of your fathers...hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:15
So why would He change His name to allah? I believe it's more likely that Mohammud was deceived by one of the many gods he was meditating on...the one that convinced him there was only one god (which is true) was named allah...a god, but not YHWH.
peace,
mohammad (peace be upon him) was not meditating on many gods. quite the contrary: he was so hurt by the paganism of his people that he spent most of his time alone in a cave puryfing and preparing himself (unknowingly) for the revelation he was about to receive. Allah is the perfect name, the one that knows no plural, no gender etc. it is an arabic name since the last revelation (the holy qur'an) was in arabic. you use the hebrew name of God and that is fine as well.
He knows the sincerity of those who call upon Him, however they call Him.
one love,
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