Then I agree witcha! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ..and soul doctor too.. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Originally posted by CEW:
[qb] RC: Like you, I have the utmost of respect for Father Holung. A marvelous man and a very wonderful human being. [/qb]
me three. i've had the pleasure of interviewing him many years ago about his life work. interestingly enough, he spent a lot of time talking about his heritage and that of chinese jamaicans in general.
Then I agree witcha! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ..and soul doctor too.. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/qb]
Then maybe you also agree with me that a relationship with God requires no belief. We each share a relationship amongst one another. Whether we acknowledge it or ignore it, it nevertheless exists.
We all suffer pain, we all suffer loss, and we all suffer shame, embarrassment, and sorrow. Each of us possesses a point of view, an individual perception, our ‘personal’ opinion of life. Many diverse opinions of one single subject: life. We all live as we breathe, one breath across the world. One mouth: many voices. One blood: many bodies. One death: many times. We all are the same, just different.
The Lord God already has a relationship with us in the exact same manner. The air that carries life is His. The earth that supports it He created. The creatures that live upon it belong to Him. One planet fitted to suit all equally according to their need. One Life for all that enters into it. One death since we all must exit it. Among all creatures, humans are the only animals to possess comprehensive intellect that enables us to advance our station in life. And to devise for ourselves a complicated system of beliefs that destroys instead of builds; that divides instead of unites. All like species of the earth have, for all intents and purposes, one mind. Except us.
Why? Belief. If all the religious of the world possess the exact same belief in a supreme 'God', why not the same Supreme God? How do you believe in the same God? How is that possible across a world so culturally and linguistically diverse?
We are all 'gods'. We are all individual aspects of the same Individual, speaking different aspects of the same Tongue, living different aspects of the same Life. Dying the same Death at different times.
Why do you 'believe' we are different? For that is truly all that it is, a belief. You *know* we are not different, yet you believe we are. If we stopped 'believing' we were all different, and 'knew' how much alike we all are, the arguments would stop. There would be nothing to argue about. Before we get to earth, there is nothing different about us. After we leave, we are again the same.
Originally posted by soul_doctor73:
Then maybe you also agree with me that a relationship with God requires no belief. [/qb]
this is too funny,lol! [/QB]
Where is the humor mountaingal? I forget how many of you are here watching from the shadows to see if I self destruct.
I must be mindful of your cumulative silences also as your quips of humor are weakly reminiscent of mockery, but your preceding and subsequent silences reprove you.
Laugh now. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I laugh often as well, but in anticipation of your recognition. When you realize that your words are food before you. When your mocking laughter turns to tears of shame. Not shame for me, mind you. That would be shallow.
don't mind me, soul doctor. my job entails working with words, their connotations and nuances. it's been entertaining to me to see you try to avoid using the terms "belief" and "religion" to describe what in fact is a belief and a religion. but, as i said, don't mind my little idiosyncrasies, i'm sure they cannot dent your unbelief in Jehovah.
some things are better not spoken or written about because words cannot express
people who are "into" beliefs and religions will continue to put YHWH in a box to try to get a grasp on Him...but they are the ones in the box (thank you MJ)
Originally posted by mountaingal:
[qb] don't mind me, soul doctor. my job entails working with words, their connotations and nuances. it's been entertaining to me to see you try to avoid using the terms "belief" and "religion" to describe what in fact is a belief and a religion. but, as i said, don't mind my little idiosyncrasies, i'm sure they cannot dent your unbelief in Jehovah. [/qb]
If, as you say, your job is the connotation of words, then why are you having difficulty with 'religion' and 'belief'? Because you believe in your idiosyncrasies? Because of the nuances of words? Do you know the etymology of 'religion'?
Is the word as old as the Old Testament? The Law of Moses? As old as your idiosyncracies? Or as old as *your* beliefs? I am sure they are relatively new, but hopefully, your idiosyncracies did not corrupt the process. Hard to be peculiar without being partial to self.
Originally posted by jaith:
[qb] some things are better not spoken or written about because words cannot express
people who are "into" beliefs and religions will continue to put YHWH in a box to try to get a grasp on Him...but they are the ones in the box (thank you MJ) [/qb]
It would be best if, prior to impossing your opinion upon others, that you correctly identify the details of your position. The box you speak of could very well belong to you. I'm sure your beliefs segregates you from among the whole of humanity, right besides moutaingal's idiosyncracies.
Are you implying that being poor is in somehow advantageous to having money?
Is poverty a blessing?
How can you determine when one has too much wealth?
Is money the root of all evil or is it the love of money?
Does not money answer all things?
If I sell a book or a cd to bless others and I'm compensated am I evil?
If I don't have money, how can I give to the poor?
Are we not to be stewards over what God gives us?
Are we not to wisely manage and invest the money God allows us to have?
Isn't a father who can't make provision for his children's children worse than an infidel?
Do you believe God would rather you live in a rented apartment making minimum income than having a house making adequate income?
What kind of God is he if he delights in your poverty over your abundance?
If my father dies and gives me a large inheritance should I give it away or invest it to make more money to provide for my children?
What is one to do if they are involved in a profession or business that commands an high income? Give it away and beg for food for the family?
This doctrine just reminds me of some of the ridiculous teachings that I believed growing up before I started to study the bible.
Money is like seed that needs to be sown in fertile ground so that you'll be able to reap bountifully.
Don't scatter the seeds my brother.
With money comes power.
The homosexuals understand this and that's why they have so much influence in society.
I just wish to God that the church would move away from this false teaching that has severely handicapped us from becoming effective and fruitful in this perversed world.
No wonder the bible says that the children of the world are much wiser than the children of light.
If you don't want your money,I'll give you my mailing address because I need some right about now.
I guarantee I'll put it to good use.
I refuse to poor,busted and disgusted when my father is a millionaire.
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