The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

[Kimoni]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by SweetRose:
[qb] Kimoni, do you really prefer to believe that you exist because of aliens, not a loving nurturing God? I have never heard anything like your story before. I had the feeling that I was reading some sort of sci-fi book with beings I could not relate to. I prefer to stay in my ignorance in believing in a God who loves his human creation so much that he offered up is one and only son as a sacrifice to save them from a life of everlasting pain and suffering. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]ray: [/qb]

Greetings SweetRose,

I do not believe the creation of man was as simple as outlined in the KJV and taught by Christianity. Being of Syncretic nature, my beliefs (soul) will not allow me to believe in one story as absolute. Though I have an unconcious affinity for the Sumerians and other not so popular civilizations, with perpetual research, I am quite sure to find error(s) in their stories. None the less, it will not dispel my belief that all stories and doctrines of all religions are nothing more than fragments of a great puzzle. You believe what you believe and rest well at night, I believe what I believe and rest just the same. Are you crazy? Am I crazy? Are you right? Am I right? Or do we both just rest well at night with a different piece of the puzzle as our pillow?

[Kimoni]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by SweetRose:
[qb] Kimoni, do you really prefer to believe that you exist because of aliens, not a loving nurturing God? I have never heard anything like your story before. I had the feeling that I was reading some sort of sci-fi book with beings I could not relate to. I prefer to stay in my ignorance in believing in a God who loves his human creation so much that he offered up is one and only son as a sacrifice to save them from a life of everlasting pain and suffering. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]ray: [/qb]

Greetings again SweetRose,

Not to digress from the immediate topic, but to invoke further stimulation of your endorphins. Speaking of "aliens", let us both make a colorful observation. Since the beginning of modern civilization, man has always made an attempt to illustrate (draw) what he saw when encountered by an alien. Now, I know there have been different depictions of "aliens" especially with the influence and technology of HollyWood, however, throughout time, there has been one very popular and consistent depiction of these not of this world beings. That popular depiction is and always has been: Big head, big and colorless eyes, thin/small body. IMO almost infant like. Well, let's look at an embryo/newborn child. Hmmm, big head, colorless eyes (well at least for a couple of days) and small body. The quick point I am attempting to make is: The popular depiction of "aliens" had to come from somewhere and there is more than coincidence that their depiction is similar to what we all have looked like at one point.

Alien:

Embryo:

[Mutty]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by servant:
[qb] Forty, there was a car accident near my house yesterday. There were several witnesses there. 10 minutes later there were police, paramedics and a firetruck. I would say about 30 people all told by about 30 minutes after the crash occurred. Nobody could agree on exactly how it happened.

Where we are going in this thread is to try and figure out how something infinitely more complicated happened. To sort out fact from fiction if you will. The problem is that it didn't happen 30 minutes ago. And none of the original witnesses are around.

Now is that a tall order or what ! [/qb]

It certainly is a tall order, Servant. This is where "faith" comes in. This then leads to the other question from the original two you asked. The events we are speaking of happened long before the people who actually wrote them down. The issue for me is between the older Sumerian culture and the Hebrews who in in some ways sprung from them and I cannot stress that enough.

There is a tactic Christian apologists use when conversing with Muslims in regards to the Bible in relation to the Torah. The Muslim often state that the Quran is the true word of God while at the same time claiming that the Quran is simply the Bible UNcorrupted. Christians then say that if it is claimed that the Quran is true yet stemming from the Bible, then it is the Quran that has to give way to the precedence of the Bible and it is the Quran that has to prove itself as it is the later work because both books have striking differences to the point of contradictions.

That same rule does not apply to the older Sumerian writings in relation to the Bible which came long after from what I've seen. Personally I lend some credibilty to the older Sumerians who in their writings actually claim that they received their culture, full fledged, from the strangers who came down from the heavens to the earth. As a people, these so called gods lived amongst them and the very same story is repeated in Egyptian myths as well as other older peoples of the earth. The "gods" physically ruled over them and upon their departure left civilization behind. The Hebrews had individuals who claimed God spoke to them. As an entire people they depended on spokesmen for God and his prophets in order to "hear his voice."

To be honest with you, the basic story of Genesis in relation to our creation is the same. We were created by something else. The Sumerians claim it was a council of gods who determined the creation and a reason was given. In the Hebrew account, it is said that God counciled with others in his inner circle (the Trinity) and determined to make man but no reason is given as to why.

We know that a great reason why the older Sumerian story is rejected is simply because people think they promoted polytheism (in the general understanding of the word) when in reality it was not necessarily the case. They believed in gods, yes, but the gods were actually a group of beings that made up a hierchy ruled over by one supreme Lord. In early Hebrew history this same view was held until the Babylonian captivity when angels (a concept borrowed from the Zoroastrian Persians) replaced said gods in order to eliminate any ideas any other beings existed in heaven that could be called gods.

[accepted77]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by Mutty - The return:
[qb] Accepted I am having a hard time following your last post. Can you break it down for the dumb, please? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/qb]

Mutty I came to this forum during the time of those eloquent debates on Genesis 6 between you JM1 and Witchy Ooman and I was awed by the level of discussion.

Glad to see you back, oh for a return of JM1.

A few nights aback I tuned into christian Television and heard an awesome message delivered by a master at painting word pictures and suspense, T.D Jakes.

His topic was Seth and his theme One, Two, One.

He recounted the birth of Adam's first two boys, Cain and Abel.

Cain killed Abel and was cursed, but God a god of second chances gave to Adam and Eve, Seth.

Here's the rub, When the generations of Adam was recorded in Genesis 5, it reads;
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
[b]Hello! what happened to Cain and Abel[b]
1.Blessing - birth of Cain and Abel
2.Calamity and disgrace in the family - Cain kills Abel
3. Blessings- Birth of Seth - wrong!

No 1:2:1 new math

God wipes clean the slate
1. A Double blessing - a new begining - The Sethite Generation.

Lets retrace some steps,
Notice Cain in Genesis 4
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden

Note where Cain stood with YHWH.
Note that Cain is not after Adams'likeness, Abel is dead Seth is after Adams likeness.

So likeness have to do with more than looks there must be simlitude, Cain lost the likeness when he left the presence of YHWH.

Now watch the progress of Cain's descendants.
Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Gen 4:18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
Gen 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
Gen 4:20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
Gen 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
Gen 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
Gen 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

Pay particular attention to Lamech for a pattern is evolving.

Now lets see where Seth is with YHWH.

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

The Sethites were calling on YHWH for their help 'my help cometh from the Lord'. Steeped in the Oral tradition they obeyed YHWH choices for their lives and retained his likeness.

But the ENochians, someone was feeding them progress, someone(s) who enjoyed being out of the presence of the Lord. Someone not OF YHWH's likeness.

Some elohims? Maybe some fallen angels?

cont'd

[accepted77]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Now to Genesis 6
Lets recall its the Sethites who are in the will of God.

The Cainites have already moved out of YHWH's presence, therefore in Genesis 6 the people who God is annoyed with is the Sethites.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Two things here is implicit,
1.These sons of elohim were doing what Lamech was doing, taking many wives, of the Sethite women, polygamy.
2. They seem to have the compliance of the Sethites in return for what, lets follow.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Some have gone so far to suggest the Austropiphinanes africanus and the other so called missing links were the giants nephilim, born to the Sethite women and these "sons of elohim" that these giants posessed great knowledge that made for rapid progress, and what disgusted YHWH was the appeal these giants had to the women and men and the ease at which the Sethites gave into the Cainan pleasures.

The bible makes reference to "strange flesh" in Peter and Jude connecting angels that sinned with the flood and the homosexual sexual depravity to happen later in Sodom and Gommorah.

What is significant is that YHWH choice to restart the human race is the man Noah whose qualifications is that he was perfect in his generations.

That is he retained the likeness of YHWH, holiness, set apart and spiritual morality.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Gen 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

To be continued.

[Mutty]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Permit me to interject this in between your posts, Accepted.


Well to comment on my own initial post, I am of the opinion that God was speaking to members of his inner circle known as the Elohim (in Hebrew) translated "the gods" in English. Some ancient writings say there were 12 of these great gods with one supreme above them all. Later biblical literature call them archangels, a higher order of very powerful angels. Others, like the pre-Bible, pre-Israelite Canaanite Ugaritic text speak of a supreme God whose name was El, creator of all things created had 70 sons and these sons were also known as gods. The Sumerians would call them the Anunnaki.

In any event, many of us have been taught that the Bible contains only one existing God and all others were simple imaginations of pagan minds often depicted in the form of idols the people worshipped. While it is true ancient man did indeed create images they called gods, this does not negate that fact that the bible does have traces of the concept that the God of the Hebrews (YHW or Yahweh) was at one point in Hebrew theology just another god in the midst of the other gods who was assigned the children of Israel by the "Most High" who went by the title, El Elyon (see Deuteronomy 32:8-9 per Dead Sea Scrolls).

The above scripture (Dead Sea Scrolls rendition) makes clear mention that the Most High had sons he divided the nations amongst. Keep in mind that the Ugartic text of Canaan tell us of El who had 70 sons and incidentally, the table of nations in Genesis shows a division of 70 nations. Just pure coincidence???

There are some who try to get around the Dead Sea Scroll version of that verse and the subsequent Septuagint (the pre-Christ Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures) which says bascially the same thing by crying corruption (this claim is ludicrous but there are those who actually believe that is the case) because it does not correspond with the later Masoretic Bible that came about 1000 years later and the King James version 500 more years after that. Even if we had to concede that the mention of "sons of God" is wrong and use the King James version's "sons of Israel," we would have to contend with verse 43 of the same chapter where the Masoretic text and the King James version appear to intentionally leave out some key words and then alter others. The verse reads this way in the Masoretic text:

"O nations, rejoice his people, For he will avenge the blood of his servants...

The same verse is read this way in the Dead Sea Scrolls:

"O heavens, rejoice with Him Bow to Him, all divinites for he'll avenge the blood of his sons..."

Then in the Septuagint it reads this way:

"O heavens, rejoice with him. Bow to Him, all sons of the divine...and let all angels of the divine strengthen themselves in Him. For he'll avenge the Blood of his sons..."

Again, note that in the Masoretic text and the King James version, Israel ("his people") is subtly inserted into the text so that the "servants" mentioned would be explained as none other than Israel and NOT the actual sons of God (divinities) themselves. Here can can see a clear agenda to eliminate ANY notion that would threaten the concept that God was surrounded by other existing gods.

The Bible does give examples of a divine coucil over which God presides and while He makes the final decision, he keeps council not in the sense He needs their help but to enforce and uphold His decrees. This is clearly evident in the story of Ahab's deception where God asks around (his council) for a willing participant to do the dirty work. Then we have these well known words: Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying. "whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" (Isaiah 6:8).

With this in mind, there is good reason to believe that when God mentions "us" in Genesis 1:26 and 11:7, he was conversing with his council (sons, gods, archangels, etc). To force the idea of the Trinity into the equation creates far more problems and questions than there needs to be.

[fOrTyLeGz]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by Kimoni-Kojo:

Since the beginning of modern civilization, man has always made an attempt to illustrate (draw) what he saw when encountered by an alien.

May I have a source or a URL for that statement?

Thanks.

_

[Kimoni]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by fOrTyLeGz:
[qb]

Originally posted by Kimoni-Kojo:

Since the beginning of modern civilization, man has always made an attempt to illustrate (draw) what he saw when encountered by an alien.

May I have a source or a URL for that statement?

Thanks.

_ [/qb]

Greetings fOrTyLeGz,

The above statement is my own. What I am attempting to state is. if you are able to recount and research via a physical library, the number of reports individual people have made over the years (centuries) of encounters by unknown beings (aliens), there are a number of illustrations that have been filed just for the sake of having it documented by the authorities that the supposed encounter was reported to, i.e. branches of the military, NASA, individual FBI officials. Majority of these illustrations and reported encounters can be found in the Library of Congress or the Miscellaneous/Non-Priority Investigations unit of the FBI in Washington, DC (where I live) and other archiving institutions that take subjects as this seriously or for the most part, willing to give at least a little attention to the subject. After years of research and general reading from various sources, I found that human civilization have been making claims and illustrations of strange encoutners for centuries. That's what I meant by my statement. This information cannot be found in just one source. Information and knowledge is everywhere, an individual will unlikely find the answers by letting roots grow under their feet. My apologies if my response does not meet your expectations.

[Kimoni]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by accepted:
[qb]Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
[/qb]

Greetings Everyone,

I just wanted to point out that this verse, directly from the Bible, should raise a brow. Why did the "Creator" name THEM Adam, if we're talking both Male and Female. Saying, "Their name is Adam" seems like a very general name you would use to categorize something. Why were they not called by individual names at that very point. Sounds like these creations were named in the manner of a project, "The Adam", It's as if at that point, someone were to ask the Creator, "What do you call those things you just created?" The reply would be, "Oh, those are called Adams". Does this verse not appear very similar to the very first sentence I presented in The History of the Elohim (from Sumerian writings)?

"The Adamu (Adam or man) were originally created to work in various projects around the world."

I am quite sure the disputes will begin to swarm in like bees to honey...

[accepted77]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by Mutty - The return:
[qb] Permit me to interject this in between your posts, Accepted.


Well to comment on my own initial post, I am of the opinion that God was speaking to members of his inner circle known as the Elohim (in Hebrew) translated "the gods" in English.[/qb]

Mutty, I don't know of inner circle, the makeup of YHWH spiritual Kingdom is as much speculation as myth.
In the book of Revelation, There is a scene where four beast are mentioned each different in complexity of shape, thousand of cherubs and the casting down of crowns by principalities.
Its does not take much immagination to find amn would ascribe to any of these beings the title God (Elohim) but we are told they all derive their glory from the ONE on the throne.

Gabriel did describe himself as always in the presence of the Lord, nowhere in scripture is he said to be an archangel, but popular lore always associates him as one.
In fact only one archangel is specifically mentioned and that is Michael, who it appears is even of a lesser order than Satan.
But in Job, Satan (who one cannot conclude as part of God's inner circle) also presents himself among the sons of God. And is seen counseling among the "sons of God" with YHWH on the challenge of the faith of Job. This would surely place Satan among any "council of (Elohim) Gods" and the Bible clearly depicts him as a fallen angel.

Some ancient writings say there were 12 of these great gods with one supreme above them all. Later biblical literature call them archangels, a higher order of very powerful angels. Others, like the pre-Bible, pre-Israelite Canaanite Ugaritic text speak of a supreme God whose name was El, creator of all things created had 70 sons and these sons were also known as gods. The Sumerians would call them the Anunnaki.[/b]

This is what I call the ancient twist, while we concentrate on Elohim, my point is that the emphasis should be on likeness. I would like to contend that those who leave the likeness of God manufactured feats of their prowers in stories writings and technology. Fallen Man believed them then as now because of their superior knowledge to man and the
'progress' they derived from that association, even the elect of YHWH was awed by these beings, hence the flood.

While it is true ancient man did indeed create images they called gods, this does not negate that fact that the bible does have traces of the concept that the God of the Hebrews (YHW or Yahweh) was at one point in Hebrew theology just another god in the midst of the other gods who was assigned the children of Israel by the "Most High" who went by the title, El Elyon (see Deuteronomy 32:8-9 per Dead Sea Scrolls).

Again tares spread among the wheat, God establishes his Oneness again and again in scripture while accompanied by a compendium of glorious creatures above man's comprehension some more than willing to plant fables of their greatness. Angels are not robotic beings as many suppose they are curious beings,

Jude 6 You also know that the angels who did not keep within their proper domain but abandoned their own place of residence, he has kept in eternal chains in utter darkness, locked up for the judgment of the great Day. 7 So also Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring towns, since they indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire in a way similar to these angels, are now displayed as an example by suffering the punishment of eternal fire. 8 Yet these men, as a result of their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and insult the glorious ones. – NET Bible

The Bible does give examples of a divine coucil over which God presides and while He makes the final decision, he keeps council not in the sense He needs their help but to enforce and uphold His decrees. This is clearly evident in the story of Ahab's deception where God asks around (his council) for a willing participant to do the dirty work. Then we have these well known words: Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying. "whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" (Isaiah 6:8).

Yea God shows he knows the consequences of evil but appointing an angel to give God sent messages
to a lying prophet,who then influences King Ahab, so the pattern of angelic infuence to spread lies is exposed, God fights the enemy using the enemy's tactics.

With this in mind, there is good reason to believe that when God mentions "us" in Genesis 1:26 and 11:7, he was conversing with his council (sons, gods, archangels, etc). To force the idea of the Trinity into the equation creates far more problems and questions than there needs to be.

We agree on the angel part I find no other god but YHWH in scripture accept his mention to his son in Hebrews "thy throne O God is forever". God specifcally said there that none ever have he called a God. Now if he knows no other God than his son niether do I.

[Mutty]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

This is going to be deviating from the subject somewhat but, I just want to put a few things out there for us to ponder. I could start a new thread bu tsinc eso much attention is being placed here, might as well include it here.

I know it sounds really far fetched, if not insane, for some of us to believe we may have been created by the decision of a collective body known as the Elohim (gods). What is even more insane is for many of us to believe we were created to be workers for said god and nothing more. It takes away from our lofty ideas that we are creatues God gloats over and the idea of some great plan of redemption and the whole alleged love story concept many glean from the Bible. All we know (from the Bible) is that we were created for reasons unknown or at least not recognized because Genesis 2:15 does tell us God placed man in the garden to work and nothing more.

If that is not is absurd enough for many to swallow, then many are not going to buy into the idea that our creator(s) were not omnipresent, omnipotent beings but rather, advanced, in relation to us, beings from another place in our universe who it is said came here in search of gold to ship back to their own world for emergency purposes. They had a leader who in turn had an innder circle made up of his own children. According to the writings that have come down to us from the earth's first, hence oldest, civilization from which all others have sprung, they enlisted some from their own ranks to mine the underbelly of the earth in search of the coveted metal found in abundance on just this planet. After ages of this laborous work, the rank and file workers mutinied against the elite members putting the operation at risk. The leader, An, was called in to hear the concerns of the workers and he sided with their pleas. It then became necessary to come up with another plan so the elite went into counsel and it was eventually suggested that it was possible to "create" a worker known in the Sumerian language as Adapa or Adamu. The idea was presented that it was possible to use genes derived from themselves and merge it with the genes of existing apelike creatures that existed on the earth already, effectively creating a whole new breed far more intelligent than what was already there yet less advanced that the elite themselves. The suggestion was approved and the council agreed to create man, a job that fell upon the lap of their chief medical scientist by the name of Ea or Enki and his half sister, Ninhursag, a doctor in her own right.

Both set up their labratory above the gold mines in an area said to be in the region of east central Africa. After trial and error, the feat was accomplished and man (homo sapien sapien) was created, albeit, in the "image of the gods" because their very essence was used in the sucessful experiment. Below is a copy from a Sumerian seal showing the scientists in their labratory creating man at the "potter's wheel" and upon their completion, presenting him to An, the leader. Note the "tree of life" behind An and the lab bottles on the shelf.



Now that you have spit up your coffee or juice, gather yourself and let's sit back and reflect on a few things. in 1987, scientists from universities in California and Michigan came to the startling conclusion that all modern humans descended from mitochondrial DNA traced back to a single "Eve" who originated where? East Africa. It is rather interesting to note that in the book of Genesis man is actually brought in from elsewhere ("...and there he put the man he had formed..."). This suggest man was not "created" in the Garden of Eden but was of course 'formed' elsewhere and then brought to the garden to till it as a subsequent verse tells us. The Sumerian account mentions man was brought in to farm the land to produce food for these alien beings.

Another thing that is of keen interest is a symbol that has come down to us from very ancient times. It is the symbol of medicine still known by its ancient name, the Caduceus (see below)







The symbol became associated with Enki and it is easy to see why. In later cultures Enki was known under other names such as Hermes to the Egyptians and then the Greeks and Mercury in Rome where in all cases, the same character carries around the Caduceus and interestingly enough, has wings on his feet that allows him to to fly. Now many might not have atually asked themselves why is the Caduceus the symbol of medicine even up to our very day? Why 2 serpents entwined around a staff with wings at the top? Anyone casually reading ancient writings including the Bible or doing a study on the constellations will readily realize the serpent plays a prominent role in ancient lore even to the point of a worshipped creature. The serpent has of course been demonized in the Bible while the serpent was synonymous with the idea of deception and evil it also contradictorily represented enlightenment, symbolic of revelation of secrets, and life and healing. This is readily apparent when we read the puzzling story of Moses raising up a serpent on a staff (serpent? staff?) and requesting that the children of Israel look up to it in order to be healed from poisonous snake bites (Numbers 29). The image has been etched in history like this:



Later in Jewish history this very same brazen serpent on a staff Moses created was found in the Jewish temple being worshipped and Jesus even likened himself to the serpent in respect to the fact that those who look to him will be saved.

Is it just pure coincidence that the Caduceus is linked to Enki the alleged creator of modern man and that one of his symbols is the serpent, the revealer of secrets and lifegiver? I think not. But there is yet another observation to be made. The Caduceus has an odd resemblence to a DNA strand (the double helix) and we know the human DNA is the basic foundation of life, as it is the basic building block of life. It contains the genetic code and the very [secret] knowledge of how to create life as scientist have "discovered" in the past 50 years. Strangely enough, the Sumerians present pictures in the tablets that appear to be DNA stands depicted as two serpents entwined around each other on the body of a human figure as if to say the entwined serpents have some connection to the human figure (will try to find a picture of that cylinder)

Well there is more that can be said. None of this has to be believed but it is worth some pondering I think. For more information I would consult those who are versed on interpreting the Sumerian language.

[Mutty]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by Kimoni-Kojo:
[qb]

Originally posted by accepted:
[qb]Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
[/qb]

Greetings Everyone,

I just wanted to point out that this verse, directly from the Bible, should raise a brow. Why did the "Creator" name THEM Adam, if we're talking both Male and Female. Saying, "Their name is Adam" seems like a very general name you would use to categorize something. Why were they not called by individual names at that very point. Sounds like these creations were named in the manner of a project, "The Adam", It's as if at that point, someone were to ask the Creator, "What do you call those things you just created?" The reply would be, "Oh, those are called Adams". Does this verse not appear very similar to the very first sentence I presented in The History of the Elohim (from Sumerian writings)?

"The Adamu (Adam or man) were originally created to work in various projects around the world."

I am quite sure the disputes will begin to swarm in like bees to honey... [/qb]

Kimoni, would you believe I never even noticed that one? Interesting point.

[DC]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

My oh my! I browsed through a bit and this is very very interesting. so sorry I do not have the time to read it all just yet...Might have a couple questions later(one or two [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] )..Nice to see you active in these parts again Mr Mutty! So much information my poor brain is smoking!

[Mutty]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by DC:
[qb] My oh my! I browsed through a bit and this is very very interesting. so sorry I do not have the time to read it all just yet...Might have a couple questions later(one or two [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] )..Nice to see you active in these parts again Mr Mutty! So much information my poor brain is smoking! [/qb]

Don't hurt yourself, babe. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[DC]

Re: The mysterious "us" of Genesis 1:26 and 11:7

Originally posted by Mutty - The return:
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Originally posted by DC:
[qb] My oh my! I browsed through a bit and this is very very interesting. so sorry I do not have the time to read it all just yet...Might have a couple questions later(one or two [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] )..Nice to see you active in these parts again Mr Mutty! So much information my poor brain is smoking! [/qb]

Don't hurt yourself, babe. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/qb]

[img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] damage is already done..don't you smell smoke? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]