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Re: ar mzungu jamaicans racist?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No I am not going to start typing pages out of books and transcribing Garvey's speeches. He licked out against light skinned Blacks because of the discrimiantion by them that was rampant in Jamaican society and he and WEB Dubois fought bitterly about it.
Read this again and note the bolding this time and I ahve quoted other similar sources on the previous page and I am not going to type and transcribe anything else.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It appears that the social differentiation based on colour which prevailed in 1838 must have remained fairly static for nearly a century, the tempo of slow change quickening somewhat during the 1920's, experiencing a greater quickening in the 1930s, coming in for accelerated motion in the 1940s with the river of knowledge finding itself in spate in the 1950s and 1960s.
Up to the 1920s conditions were superficially little removed from those described by Grant Allen as prevailing in the 1860s. Roughly speaking a discernible "touch of the tar-brush" disqualified the victim of circumstances from close social relations with the Whites. For it might lead to marriage and marriage might bring the dreaded "throw-back" (or reversion to colour) in the offspring. Many a dark member of an apparently white family was a cause of shame and embarrassment to the humiliation or frustration to himself.
Roughly speaking, Black and Coloured Persons "knew their place", the line being drawn at free acceptance in business, with due respect paid and graciously received, and with tacit exclusion from the homes of the Whites. The relations between Joseph Gordon (the Scotsman) and his coloured son, George William Gordon remaining typical for several generations up to and after the 1860s. </div></div>
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Some few persons of colour had what might be called a flair for society and might be admitted; but an awkward situation arose when he aspired to marriage. A coloured doctor or lawyer (particularly in the country towns) might live down the social disability by sheer outstanding merit. <span style="font-weight: bold">By and large, persons of marked colour were not on visiting terms with the whites, nor were they readily accepted in the more exclusive clubs in Kingston or in some rather snooty country towns like Mandeville.</span>
White and coloured children mingled freely at school without any inhibitions whatever. When they grew up. however conditions solidified as above indicated:
<span style="font-weight: bold">The blacks long continued in a lower social category than persons of colour; and, with kinky ("pepper-grain"
hair, the very dark man suffered the social ostracism of the blacks. Apart from the competitive Civil Service (first put into operation in 18E5) there were little or no white-collar jobs available to the blacks. They were also excluded from the social life of the whites and persons of colour except in limited measure in the homes of the Missionaries; and they were generally excluded from social admission in the homes, hotels and clubs.</span>
For the blacks, a vicious social and economic circle prevailed. Denied economic opportunity, it was long before they enjoyed the amenities which economic resources usually bring: education, care of the person.
One is reminded of R. L. Stevenson's In "A child that is not clean and neat, with lots of toys and things to eat, he is a naughty child I'm sure or else - his dear Papa is poor". </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-weight: bold">Between 1890 and 1896 in Jamaica in one of the boarding schools for secondary education not a dozen black Jamaican boys passed through the school.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">In the 1920s some relaxation in the exclusiveness of the clubs based on shades of colour took place by reason of two factors: one being the filip given to sports particularly tennis and later golf (cricket had long had some very moderate effect), </span>the other being the progress to adult life of old school friends o: various shades, coupled with the outstanding personal intellectual achievements of men of color (and more rarely of women). In the meantime then was a good deal of relaxation on the question of marriage between whites and near whites and other.. known or appearing to be coloured.
<span style="font-weight: bold">It was however during this period that a black lady of culture and comparative wealth with her children was denied admission to a public children's party at Myrtle Bank Hotel in Kingston. It was difficult to decide which was the more surprised, the hotel manager at the lady's naivety in seeking admission or the lady at being refused admission.</span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Source:</span>
MONTHLY COMMENTS
Jamaica by Ansell Hart
Volume 5. (August 1962 – July 1964)
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It seems that in 1920 things were better for blacks. So I suppose we know have problem how to move from 1920 to...oh wait that is nearly eight decades ago?
Well thanks you have demonstrated convincingly that Light Jamaicans are discriminating against Darker Jamaicans.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No I am not going to start typing pages out of books and transcribing Garvey's speeches. He licked out against light skinned Blacks because of the discrimiantion by them that was rampant in Jamaican society and he and WEB Dubois fought bitterly about it.
Read this again and note the bolding this time and I ahve quoted other similar sources on the previous page and I am not going to type and transcribe anything else.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It appears that the social differentiation based on colour which prevailed in 1838 must have remained fairly static for nearly a century, the tempo of slow change quickening somewhat during the 1920's, experiencing a greater quickening in the 1930s, coming in for accelerated motion in the 1940s with the river of knowledge finding itself in spate in the 1950s and 1960s.
Up to the 1920s conditions were superficially little removed from those described by Grant Allen as prevailing in the 1860s. Roughly speaking a discernible "touch of the tar-brush" disqualified the victim of circumstances from close social relations with the Whites. For it might lead to marriage and marriage might bring the dreaded "throw-back" (or reversion to colour) in the offspring. Many a dark member of an apparently white family was a cause of shame and embarrassment to the humiliation or frustration to himself.
Roughly speaking, Black and Coloured Persons "knew their place", the line being drawn at free acceptance in business, with due respect paid and graciously received, and with tacit exclusion from the homes of the Whites. The relations between Joseph Gordon (the Scotsman) and his coloured son, George William Gordon remaining typical for several generations up to and after the 1860s. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Some few persons of colour had what might be called a flair for society and might be admitted; but an awkward situation arose when he aspired to marriage. A coloured doctor or lawyer (particularly in the country towns) might live down the social disability by sheer outstanding merit. <span style="font-weight: bold">By and large, persons of marked colour were not on visiting terms with the whites, nor were they readily accepted in the more exclusive clubs in Kingston or in some rather snooty country towns like Mandeville.</span>
White and coloured children mingled freely at school without any inhibitions whatever. When they grew up. however conditions solidified as above indicated:
<span style="font-weight: bold">The blacks long continued in a lower social category than persons of colour; and, with kinky ("pepper-grain"
hair, the very dark man suffered the social ostracism of the blacks. Apart from the competitive Civil Service (first put into operation in 18E5) there were little or no white-collar jobs available to the blacks. They were also excluded from the social life of the whites and persons of colour except in limited measure in the homes of the Missionaries; and they were generally excluded from social admission in the homes, hotels and clubs.</span>For the blacks, a vicious social and economic circle prevailed. Denied economic opportunity, it was long before they enjoyed the amenities which economic resources usually bring: education, care of the person.
One is reminded of R. L. Stevenson's In "A child that is not clean and neat, with lots of toys and things to eat, he is a naughty child I'm sure or else - his dear Papa is poor". </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-weight: bold">Between 1890 and 1896 in Jamaica in one of the boarding schools for secondary education not a dozen black Jamaican boys passed through the school.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">In the 1920s some relaxation in the exclusiveness of the clubs based on shades of colour took place by reason of two factors: one being the filip given to sports particularly tennis and later golf (cricket had long had some very moderate effect), </span>the other being the progress to adult life of old school friends o: various shades, coupled with the outstanding personal intellectual achievements of men of color (and more rarely of women). In the meantime then was a good deal of relaxation on the question of marriage between whites and near whites and other.. known or appearing to be coloured.
<span style="font-weight: bold">It was however during this period that a black lady of culture and comparative wealth with her children was denied admission to a public children's party at Myrtle Bank Hotel in Kingston. It was difficult to decide which was the more surprised, the hotel manager at the lady's naivety in seeking admission or the lady at being refused admission.</span>
</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Source:</span>
MONTHLY COMMENTS
Jamaica by Ansell Hart
Volume 5. (August 1962 – July 1964)
</div></div> [/quote]
It seems that in 1920 things were better for blacks. So I suppose we know have problem how to move from 1920 to...oh wait that is nearly eight decades ago?
Well thanks you have demonstrated convincingly that Light Jamaicans are discriminating against Darker Jamaicans.
I did see them at his place but I didn't realize they were MINE. 
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