The Original Egyptians

[franksterr]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=franksterr][quote=uswe][quote=franksterr][quote=sukuna][quote=Andrewnaqi]So I guess if we say the original Egyptians were not black it would make ppl feel better and rest easier.
why does it matter to you what they are?




SELF-ESTEEM
It should matter if you are a black Afrikan person brought up in a white racist or Islamic/Arabist environment which trys to inculcate in you that people like yourself never does anything worthy or of value, and that your place as black Afrikan is to carry water and bring wood - slaves and servants.


So would you place <span style="font-weight: bold">yourself</span> in said category?

I would not place myself in any such category, but the environment that grew up in was seriously lacking in positive and uplifting black Afrikan images and stories.

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Now you come
a dat me know long time.

Hear ye! Hear ye!

Look at it this way, when me check me mother and father if dem suffice me will look no further. Further me will look if me self-esteem low or power is my weakness, me will look to me extended family, me lineage, my land and me african origin.

If me ever reach so far, and me na like wa me see me will look even further like say Egypt or Ethiopia.

i like your honesty

understand that all black people na have the same need and are not all of low self esteem </div></div>

All black people that grow up in a racist environment, grew up with a serious lack of positive black image and stories. They did not place themselves their....From Sam Sharpe to Obama has acknowledge this..Wether or not they develop poor self esteem as a result is a matter of personal fortitude. Nevertheless all can only benefit from more positive images and stories about who they think they are. Especially when its the truth.

[Derek]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

well, all cultures produce a visual record, some withstand the ravages of time and descend to us, some do not. In Egypt's case there are also bodies of various royalty.

I'm just saying, if you study Egypt's history, you can look at the visual record of their history as they themselves saw themselves, idealized themselves, sometimes as they re-recorded themselves, and depicted themselves, their wars, their conquests, their daily life...to say the 'original' Egyptians I'm not sure what that really means, because to me, just looking at it, you see the same kinds of people there now in many cases as you see in their art despite all the influxes and what not, many of these groups have long long histories- Egypt itself is one of the longest histories...and Africa is a vast continent, it's huge, and you don't see pyramids in Zululand. Isn't Ramses credited with most of the monumental architecture, is it fair to call him an 'original' Egyptian...or are the original Egyptians actually the people who were united into &quot;Egypt.&quot;

the nose of the Sphinx, well his nose was long gone before the little french man got there as sketches of the Sphinx which predate Nap show him without his nose. But there are other busts of that Pharoah so you can see what his nose once looked like. I forget his name. Starts with a KH? I think there is a story of some Islamic sufi or imam who wrecked the nose, as they can't seem to stand representational art, like the destruction of the buddha statue in Afghanistan...the sufi took umbrage and it was noted he wrecked it. According to the legend, the locals were so p!ssed they in turn hung him and buried him nearby the Sphinx. Napolean seems to have been known as a bit of an Egyptologist actually. </div></div>

Good post.

True, you don't see pyramids in Zululand but there are a few in Sudan, which predate the Egyptian ones. How come nobody talks about the Sudan pyramids? </div></div>


There are more pyramids in Sudan, although smaller in siza, than in Egypt </div></div>

The shape was perfected by the time the technology reached Egypt!

There is as much, if not more, undiscovered history in Sudan. But it's buried under sand, and would take centuries to excavate and document. There was a documentary on the BBC a little while back about it.

Who was it who said, 'our knowledge flowed down the Nile.'?
(This was thousands of years before Jah Youth said it.)

[Magician]

Re: The Original Egyptians

Di said gyal mi a chat too blame Napoleon fi di Sphinx nose get chop.
She seh is lay pon di ground same place where it fall.

When mi suggested dem glue it back, she gave me the Egyptian equivalent of &lt;kissteet&gt;


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magix_di_PM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So mi fly with a Egyptian flight attendant today!

An she was willing fi reason so mi a aks her bout dis ya ting.

Well she tell me seh Egyptians been in Egypt forever. An when mi ask her which pawt dem come from, she tell mi seh Egypt. So mi ask her if she consider herself Numbian (she nuh look black at all) an she tell me she her grandfather was Nubian.

But then mi ask her who the last Pharoe was, and she couldn't remember. So mi figure there must have been a blonde in her lineage somewhere as well. </div></div>

I just spoke to an Egyptian guy in our office; educated, graphic designer.
He'd never thought about the Napoleon incident and maybe the Sphinx's nose eroded due to the weather.
It seemed to me that these skin tone debates never occur amongst the average white-ish Egyptians. </div></div>

[jah_yout]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">bring the rest now...my man has SAUCE, lol.

these discussions always seem silly to me. my own prejudice is against anything that tries too hard to lay claim to too many incongruous other claims- like when people say ancient hebrews were africans, modern jews are kazars, and egyptians were africans and attempt to use the hebrew bible to prove it- JY you use one of the more famous verses in defense of each position- both sides say it proves their point not realizing they both try for the same point which remains...subjective or prejudicial- so one black person tells another black person they are black. Doesn't make much sense. At what point does culture separate people into camps of skin tones. Since all humanity descends from African origin- the term 'race' needs get tossed on the scrapheap.

It could be of course, proof of something, it just seems unlikely that people would state the obvious to one another. In many geneaologies in the Bible people's backgrounds are made note of, so that seems to me to be done for a reason, being that there was something different about that person that was worthy of mention or that set them apart. Obviously man brings his prejudice to play, we know from Yashua's lineage he had ancestors born in Africa, for example, so the ignorance of the italian renaissance has yet to be overcome, But anyway, especially in the ancient world, and even today, people don't live in static vacuums, why can people not rise above these chains and just see things as they really are.

we have a HUGE visual record of these peoples, stretching back...argument should be done. Just look at what they looked like, and THAT should be the basis upon which the discussion about who they were should be based, not our reverse engineering from our biases which I would say odds are render many of the perspectives moot. </div></div>

monk;
the song of solomon quote was in response to something sukuna posted and has nothing to do with the topic at hand;
my thesis is that the foundation &amp; zenith of ancient egypt was a black african civilization;
we are not disputing that rome and greece were european civilizations (albeit north african &amp; west asian influenced);
yet everyone has the hardest time accepting that egypt, which is physically in africa, was an african civilization...

why is that? hmmmmm

[jah_yout]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why must you see pyramids to see civilization and as something to be proud of? these pyramids served purposes just as any other objects in Africa. Why to follow the road of European fascination with them is a definition of being truly black is beyond me </div></div>

they are a wonder of the world that modern man still has not figured out how they were made...
the japanese just tried to start one with the latest in modern technology &amp; failed miserably;
africans should be proud of that accomplishment because it showed mastery of mathematics, building &amp; astronomy; showed pythagorous didn't invent the pythagorous theory;
it's not that africans need the pyramids or to 'follow the road of european fascination with them',
it's just that we object to accomplishments of our people being co-opted by someone else who actually hated our people and tried to discredit them...
i guarantee there would be less violence &amp; mental slavery in black communities/nations if some africans actually knew that other africans like them once reached these heights;
up to now (because of western propoganda with films like 'the ten commandments and national geographic re-enactments) they think africa has only been a hell-hole of cursed lowly people known as black africans and that white people or people who look close to whites are the only people who have civilized the earth...
so the truth has to come out and it DOES MATTER

[jah_yout]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

So I guess if we say the original Egyptians were not black it would make ppl feel better and rest easier. </div></div>
why does it matter to you what they are?

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SELF-ESTEEM
It should matter if you are a black Afrikan person brought up in a white racist or Islamic/Arabist environment which trys to inculcate in you that people like yourself never does anything worthy or of value, and that your place as black Afrikan is to carry water and bring wood - slaves and servants. </div></div>
I am referring to the what the Egyptians are? It is not as if Egypt does not represent the full spectrum of what you are talking about.
What does that have to do with my origin? Which role did my forefathers play in Egypt? Master or slave?

you have fallen for the tricknology that separates mankind into categories of either master or slave...

[jah_yout]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Andrewnaqi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess if we say the original Egyptians were not black it would make ppl feel better and rest easier. </div></div>

sure seems that way bredrin...

we look for every reason to be inferior

[uswe]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Andrewnaqi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess if we say the original Egyptians were not black it would make ppl feel better and rest easier. </div></div>

sure seems that way bredrin...

<span style="font-weight: bold">we look for every reason to be inferior </span></div></div>



Jah Boot, if di cap fit..den yuh fi wear it..I entertain no such thoughts, Highly

[rufian]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Andrewnaqi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess if we say the original Egyptians were not black it would make ppl feel better and rest easier. </div></div>

sure seems that way bredrin...

we look for every reason to be inferior </div></div>
if is the Egyptian you go on pan fe feel likkle better so be it.
carefull with that WE. Me na know we who, we Africans? We who?

[jah_yout]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Andrewnaqi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess if we say the original Egyptians were not black it would make ppl feel better and rest easier. </div></div>

sure seems that way bredrin...

<span style="font-weight: bold">we look for every reason to be inferior </span></div></div>



Jah Boot, if di cap fit..den yuh fi wear it..I entertain no such thoughts, Highly </div></div>

huh?
i am not referring to you; when i say 'we' i mean the entire african race so no need for that...i said 'we' not 'you uswe'

and you are already aware that cap does not fit me because i already see that cultural pirates &amp; bandits have tried to rob the black man of ancient egypt;
mi nah mek dem get weh wid it

[jah_yout]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Andrewnaqi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess if we say the original Egyptians were not black it would make ppl feel better and rest easier. </div></div>

sure seems that way bredrin...

we look for every reason to be inferior </div></div>
if is the Egyptian you go on pan fe feel likkle better so be it.
carefull with that WE. Me na know we who, we Africans? We who? </div></div>

yes we africans;
we continue to worship others and downgrade accomplishments by our own;

[uswe]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

So I guess if we say the original Egyptians were not black it would make ppl feel better and rest easier. </div></div>

sure seems that way bredrin...

<span style="font-weight: bold">we look for every reason to be inferior </span></div></div>



Jah Boot, if di cap fit..den yuh fi wear it..I entertain no such thoughts, Highly </div></div>

huh?
i am not referring to you; when i say 'we' i mean the entire african race so no need for that...i said 'we' not 'you uswe'

and you are already aware that cap does not fit me because i already see that cultural pirates &amp; bandits have tried to rob the black man of ancient egypt;
<span style="font-weight: bold">mi nah mek dem get weh wid it</span>

Jah Boot..yuh wake up? juss mine seh wen yuh ah bun fiyah..yuh nuh bun up yuhself...sleeeeeew dem

[jah_yout]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

So I guess if we say the original Egyptians were not black it would make ppl feel better and rest easier. </div></div>

sure seems that way bredrin...

<span style="font-weight: bold">we look for every reason to be inferior </span></div></div>



Jah Boot, if di cap fit..den yuh fi wear it..I entertain no such thoughts, Highly </div></div>

huh?
i am not referring to you; when i say 'we' i mean the entire african race so no need for that...i said 'we' not 'you uswe'

and you are already aware that cap does not fit me because i already see that cultural pirates &amp; bandits have tried to rob the black man of ancient egypt;
<span style="font-weight: bold">mi nah mek dem get weh wid it</span>

Jah Boot..yuh wake up? juss mine seh wen yuh ah bun fiyah..yuh nuh bun up yuhself...sleeeeeew dem

dat cool caw wi come from a long line of warriors;
anyone dis the program haffi deal with the heat; a guy dis my mother dem haffi answer to me;
if defending my mother results in me burning myself so be it

[rufian]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...
<span style="font-weight: bold">we continue to worship others and downgrade accomplishments by our own;</span> </div></div>
a dat me a say

[jah_yout]

Re: The Original Egyptians

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...
<span style="font-weight: bold">we continue to worship others and downgrade accomplishments by our own;</span> </div></div>
a dat me a say

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