Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sellouts

**Wahalla** · 03-21-2009, 05:14 PM

Re: Next Question...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Off-topic:

Many slaves captured and brought to the Americas were originally cavalry captured in various wars in W. Africa. So the notion that horsemanship is not relevant to the African/African-Caribbean/African-American experience is a false one. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons Haiti's uprising was successful was due to the superior horse-riding skills of the freedom-fighters starting with Toussaint Louverture himself.

Apologies for the interruption; back to house vs. field negro... </div></div>

and toussaint was the biggest house slave of them all....

**Emperah** · 03-21-2009, 05:21 PM

Re: House Negro vs Field Negro

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can someone tell me what the difference is between house negro and field negro.

Can someone explain to me like I am a 6 year old why one is considered to be better and the other used in a derogatory fashion.. </div></div>

Here's a great example of a good ole time house knee-gro him name Ron cyassyeedfool Christie

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**Tropicana** · 03-21-2009, 05:21 PM

Re: Next Question...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Off-topic:

Many slaves captured and brought to the Americas were originally cavalry captured in various wars in W. Africa. So the notion that horsemanship is not relevant to the African/African-Caribbean/African-American experience is a false one. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons Haiti's uprising was successful was due to the superior horse-riding skills of the freedom-fighters starting with Toussaint Louverture himself.

Apologies for the interruption; back to house vs. field negro... </div></div>

You tell dem Blackstar.

Bright, facety, out a ordah, and noh know dem history.

**Wahalla** · 03-21-2009, 05:31 PM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sellouts

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Malcolm X was wrong on this is issue..historically and by any Hegilian analysis of Carribean History</span> </div></div>

First of all, even though Malcolm's mother was from the Caribbean, he was speaking about the dynamics of slavery in America. There were some similarities and some differences. Wahalla are you saying the the house slave in the Caribbean played a different role from the house slave in the USA? Just curious. Same story with the Free Blacks in the Caribbean vs the Free Blacks in the USA? Did they play diiferent roles in terms of supporting vs. fighting against the status quo. I have never delved into this and it would be an interesting discussion. </div></div>
Suku I am including Haiti...
I am saying most slave rebellions were led by the so called house slaves. Every where ..From Spartacus.. irrespespective of where the slavery was.. I am saying Quoa, Boukman, Toussaint, Christophe, Turner were all so called house slave... I am saying that Dessalines was a feild slave and he was what most slaves aspired to become.. A Driver.. the fella with the whip...... Essentially Malcolm who knew better made a statement and assertion that was wrong// and it is used as an excuse to promote an attitude to interlectual persuits that is ignorant.. I repeat Malcolm X was wrong on this issue.. The divisions were more complex than house and feild slaves..

There are a number of reasonsa why house slaves were more rebellious.. they spoke better English, they were more likely to be Creolem the original meaning that they were born into slavery..... (that was important you all know why ????, they had less tribal African loyaltythey had a lower mortality, they were better educated, they were better fed.. Dont fall for the simplistic analysis that Malcolm knew was in place.. it is attempt to put an early 21 st centuary spin on the past.. it is simplistic and dishonest..
#For the record I know the paternal line what most of my fathers fathers did.. they were cart men...some went to the hills...

Again Dont try and twist like christians the intent of what Malcolm said as is common... <span style="font-weight: bold">Malcolm was using a rhetorical flourish</span>.. He knew better.. .How I know he read the story of Nat Turner.. If he had not read the black jacobins he would not be the man I think he was....

Like I say DYOR.. and think about the dynamic that was slavery..

Tehre are were only coward, compromisers and collaborators. All the rest were dead.. Yes especially the maroons...

**Wahalla** · 03-21-2009, 05:57 PM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sellouts

bussa and Nanny Giggs certainly was no feild slaves...
Carribean society because it was a more "perfect" slave society than that the United States...

**rufian** · 03-21-2009, 06:01 PM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sell

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">bussa and Nanny Giggs certainly was no feild slaves...
Carribean society because it was a more "perfect" slave society than that the United States... </div></div>
mussa true because me na see no rebellion yet

**Wahalla** · 03-21-2009, 06:07 PM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sell

And was Hercules and Prince Klass Feild or house slaves ????

I really dont know...

**rufian** · 03-21-2009, 06:16 PM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sell

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And was Hercules and Prince Klass Feild or house slaves ????

I really dont know... </div></div>
No but Mr. Sukumuma was definitely a field slave

**Wahalla** · 03-21-2009, 06:47 PM

Re: House Negro vs Field Negro

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can someone tell me what the difference is between house negro and field negro.

Can someone explain to me like I am a 6 year old why one is considered to be better and the other used in a derogatory fashion.. </div></div>

explanation one man born Malcolm little said it so it must be so

**Morpheous** · 03-21-2009, 07:59 PM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sellouts

The Autobiography of Malcolm X. Read that book back in 1993. The book is not that thick so it took me a day to read it front to back.

Tropi don't know if you have read Autobiography of Malcolm X cover to cover yet. If you did, you will notice his outlook on racial issues changed somewhat when he traveled to mekka and broadened his mind. Once his mind was open, free and without boundaries he returned to america with a different outlook on life and his religion not to mention the people around him. Malcolm X himself said that his mind was somewhat blinkered to the issues and troubles in america up until he went on that pilgrimage to mekka.

**julie*mango** · 03-21-2009, 11:55 PM

Re: House Negro vs Field Negro

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can someone tell me what the difference is between house negro and field negro.

Can someone explain to me like I am a 6 year old why one is considered to be better and the other used in a derogatory fashion.. </div></div>

Here's a great example of a good ole time house knee-gro him name Ron cyassyeedfool Christie

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dat dere is an uncle tom no doubt....

but anyways...i think the term house negro is one born out of jealousy!

**Tropicana** · 03-22-2009, 10:23 AM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sellouts

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tropi don't know if you have read Autobiography of Malcolm X cover to cover yet. If you did, you will notice his outlook on racial issues changed somewhat when he traveled to mekka and broadened his mind. </div></div>

Of course, MANY times. That doesn't mean that what he said in the early days had no merit. He didn't renounce all of what he said. I have since had a chance to travel to Muslim countries myself and have observed some of the same dynamics of which he spoke.

Wahalla, I mean you no disrespect but no WAY am I going to consider you to be more of an authority on the dynamics of racism and slavery than Malcolm X (nee Little), Garvety et. al. There may have been some house slaves and free blacks who did not sell out their people. In fact, the whole underground railway system couldn't have happened without them but there were many sellouts, traitors, collaborators, and slaves who would watch and peep and go report to massa. I am not saying that it was ONLY house slaves that did that, however, these dynamics WERE at play and STILL are at play to our detriment We don't support one another, some a we we too quick to kiss up to backra and excuse his racism. We have even seen this in some of the agruments put forth on this very board.

**britisha** · 03-22-2009, 10:57 AM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sellouts

I was about to post that it was a black sellout that killed Malcolm, but remembered that I had heard the opposite...anniways follow this link and see some of the discord and deep wounds still lingering over his death...who killed Malcolm?

scroll down to comment # 15 and 16 Wow !!

In the 21st century we cannot even get our act together...are we really a cur-sed race? Did the white man really do a number on our minds that we are still stuck in the 1800's?

This is some serious excreta ...man!!

**Wahalla** · 03-22-2009, 06:16 PM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sellouts

I never said I knew more about rascism than Malcolm X.. I said Malcolm X was historically wrong on this issue... But I also said it was in a speech so it could have been a dramatic rhetorical flourish,,,

My contention it is an in accurate assesement. You can disagree with me.. But then the idea of Bussa and the Haitian Revolution is a lie.. Nanny according to one legend was a child care giver.... another oral tradition I heard was she fled with Massa pickni.. (but like oral tarditions in Jamaica these were never recorded so for god sake dont ask me where you can find supporting evidence)I think there was a series of nannies.. Does that make nanny a sell out ? She could have killed the babies simply by pushing a maka into their ears. This was one reason why Africans women were imported into the Carribean . non compromise...

if <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I am not saying that it was ONLY house slaves that did that, however, these dynamics WERE at play and STILL are at play to our detriment We don't support one another,</div></div> is the case then the premis of a house slave as a blanket betrayer is falsehood.. The idea to use a 21 first centuary construct in 18 centurary Slave socieities is laughable..

Every one sells out if faced with a knife agaist theri testicles or at the throat of their children.... violence is an amazing persuader. Being brave and condeming the actions of the past to sellouts is resible... .. I gaurantee that the blondest ooman rascist would sell out if hungry enough for a single sausage.. do you think the pretty slave girls were all physically raped or went to the bed fo massa for a better meal.... did Jefferson rape whats ar face physically ??? Did washington rape his wifes sister who was his wifes aunt ??? Were willing bed fellows a sellout ????

As for the house slave does it strike any one that it was in the interest of the slave master to use the more inteligent as book keepers, hunts men, and rangers.. that is one reason why most slave rebellion came out the great house..

It was annie palmers lover that killed her and burnt the house.. not a feild slave....

My favorite sell slave out was:

A man who was a factor of a slave plantation .. He ran the place..
When there was a rebellion he refused to Join.. He persuaded the other slaves not to Join,, and there is indications he may have imposed this by informing the owner.
When the owner left to fight the he continued to run the place
When the fighting was 20 km away he put his mistress his owner in a carriage with all her valuables and had her taken to safety of her own.
When he joined the rebelss he fought vigerously though initially diasterously.. till the point he sent a letter to the authorities begging them to forgive him.. He would support then reinstating slavery but 1400 of the leaders would be forgiven and freed.
When the fighting got hot he advised his mistress to leave and go to the US.
When she told him he she did not have resources he sent her money and arranged a pension.
He sent a letter to the leader of the metropile country describing himself as that leaders slave.
He had his nephew killed because he wanted to pursue a more vigerous line against the slave owners
He was arranging the murder of another of his fellow leaders when he was captured (with the conivance of the other leader)

You all know who did all of this right ??? I think he was the greatest African who ever walked on this planet.. No other compares to him....

**rufian** · 03-22-2009, 06:30 PM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sell

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never said I knew more about rascism than Malcolm X.. I said Malcolm X was historically wrong on this issue... But I also said it was in a speech so it could have been a dramatic rhetorical flourish,,,

My contention it is an in accurate assesement. You can disagree with me.. But then the idea of Bussa and the Haitian Revolution is a lie.. Nanny according to one legend was a child care giver.... another oral tradition I heard was she fled with Massa pickni.. (but like oral tarditions in Jamaica these were never recorded so for god sake dont ask me where you can find supporting evidence)I think there was a series of nannies.. Does that make nanny a sell out ? She could have killed the babies simply by pushing a maka into their ears. This was one reason why Africans women were imported into the Carribean . non compromise...

if <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I am not saying that it was ONLY house slaves that did that, however, these dynamics WERE at play and STILL are at play to our detriment We don't support one another,</div></div> is the case then the premis of a house slave as a blanket betrayer is falsehood.. The idea to use a 21 first centuary construct in 18 centurary Slave socieities is laughable..

Every one sells out if faced with a knife agaist theri testicles or at the throat of their children.... violence is an amazing persuader. Being brave and condeming the actions of the past to sellouts is resible... .. I gaurantee that the blondest ooman rascist would sell out if hungry enough for a single sausage.. do you think the pretty slave girls were all physically raped or went to the bed fo massa for a better meal.... did Jefferson rape whats ar face physically ??? Did washington rape his wifes sister who was his wifes aunt ??? Were willing bed fellows a sellout ????

As for the house slave does it strike any one that it was in the interest of the slave master to use the more inteligent as book keepers, hunts men, and rangers.. that is one reason why most slave rebellion came out the great house..

It was annie palmers lover that killed her and burnt the house.. not a feild slave....

My favorite sell slave out was:

A man who was a factor of a slave plantation .. He ran the place..
When there was a rebellion he refused to Join.. He persuaded the other slaves not to Join,, and there is indications he may have imposed this by informing the owner.
When the owner left to fight the he continued to run the place
When the fighting was 20 km away he put his mistress his owner in a carriage with all her valuables and had her taken to safety of her own.
When he joined the rebelss he fought vigerously though initially diasterously.. till the point he sent a letter to the authorities begging them to forgive him.. He would support then reinstating slavery but 1400 of the leaders would be forgiven and freed.
When the fighting got hot he advised his mistress to leave and go to the US.
When she told him he she did not have resources he sent her money and arranged a pension.
He sent a letter to the leader of the metropile country describing himself as that leaders slave.
He had his nephew killed because he wanted to pursue a more vigerous line against the slave owners
He was arranging the murder of another of his fellow leaders when he was captured (with the conivance of the other leader)

You all know who did all of this right ??? I think he was the greatest African who ever walked on this planet.. No other compares to him.... </div></div>

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