Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sellouts

**Morpheous** · 03-23-2009, 01:39 PM

Re: Malcolm X: The House Negro vs The Field Negro (Plus Sell

I doubt if the enslaved Africans back then saw 'house' vs 'field' as derogatory. There were far worse words and phrases used on enslaved Africans including some of the names they gave enslaved Africans. I think 'black' people themselves in later years used the said term to add a meaning of insult. Not sure if there were beef between the two camps but some on here already said 'field' slaves would more likely to runaway than the 'house' slaves. Samuel Sharpe sprang to mind as even though ... and wait for it... he was 'properly treated and fed'. Allowed to read and had 'clean' clothes to wear he should have somehow show his appreciation by being happy and wanting to spend the rest of his life as a slave by massa side lol. Can't remember if Sharpe was a 'field' or 'house' enslaved African?

**Nylah** · 03-23-2009, 01:39 PM

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yes she did.

read again. or you just skip over those parts?

**Gen** · 03-23-2009, 01:40 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twiny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tropi please to identify mi excuse for white racist ... I refuse to accept your stance that the non-black Jamaican men reject black Jamaican women ... we don't think providing material goods is the only reason for marrying someone. </div></div>

Funny how if you read Britsha's posts she is saying the same thing as you Twiny but yet you get the racist label. </div></div>

**twiney** · 03-23-2009, 01:42 PM

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reading is an art ...not everybody can do it ... it's not just recognising words.

**Tropicana** · 03-23-2009, 01:42 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

yes she did.

read again. or you just skip over those parts? </div></div>

Read my post above. They did NOT say the same thing. I called you on this Twiny, you are not happy about it but too bad. My position remains unchanged and remember "MI NEVAH CALL NO NAME". YOU identifed yourself.

I am not going to debate this any further.

**loops** · 03-23-2009, 01:43 PM

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thank the good lord for that!

**Nylah** · 03-23-2009, 01:46 PM

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And you need to re-read where she pointed out that not every black woman in JA wants what you want from white men. You called Twiny racist for the every same thing.

So debate or no debate, everyone else can catch it but you refuse to see what is in front of you because then you cant put people down for it.

You can cuss me all you want, it still does not change that they both made the same stance and I am free to point that out. <span style="font-weight: bold">I agree with both Twiny's and Britisha's assessment of the issue</span>.

**Tuff Gong** · 03-23-2009, 01:53 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If we are discussing a topic and giving examples of white racism and some Black person comes in and excuses the behaviour, masks it or tries to pretend it's not happening, then those would be a few examples.</div></div>

Ok so these are the parameters...correcto?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now ME NEVAH CALL NO NAME!! However, the party has called their own name. (It wasn't You Tuff Gong.) With respect to the specific thread we were were discussing, Twiny did NOT say the same thing as Britisha. Not even close. Twiny's comment was excusing discrimination by arguing that the Black Jamaicans women who did not WANT the non-Black Jamaican men.</div></div>

Well let's say this is her experience (and we would have to give 100% weight to her personal experience because no other poster has provided any verifiable facts other that their own personal experience If I am wrong quickly correct me), how would this rise to point of her being a House Negro and defending/excusing White Racism?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really, then if this is the case why do we have half Chini half Black kids, Black kids with Lebanese names etc. running around with no fathers in sight?</div></div>

Wouldn’t this be generally the case in Jamaica that there are a lot of fatherless kids running around? Isn't it conceivable based upon our population that some of these kids with funny names are in fact fathered by whites, black and/or Jamaican Whites and we would not know for sure unless with catch and tagged them?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nylah, Britisha did not say the same thing as Twiny. Not even close. Britisha came in and spoke about:

- the dynamics that were at play in Jamaican society pre-1972
- the fact that people tended to move in different circles including the role that perceived social class played. For example, 1 boardite (I won't say who but he or she can identify themselves if they wish) indicated that all of his or her Black cousins married non-Black men and his or her sister married non-Jamaican, non-Black men.
- Black Jamaican women would not have been interested <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">in poor non-Black Jamaicans as partners </span></span>- this is NOT the same thing that the other person said.
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">- Dr. Dudd came in and spoke of young men being read the riot act and threatened with disinheritance if they developed an interest in Black women</span>

A TOTALLY different picture from excusing discrimination by saying oh the Black Jamaican wommen did not want them. </div></div>

Here you are willing to use Dr. Dudd's convoluted and nonsensical argument without reservation but you are unwilling to admit the personal opinions of dissenting posters, how so?

**Tropicana** · 03-23-2009, 01:53 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And you need to re-read where she pointed out that not every black woman in JA wants what you want from white men. You called Twiny racist for the every same thing. </div></div>

1. I never said that every black woman in Ja. wanted a white man.
2. I never said that I wanted anything from White men.

I did say that it was appalling that this kind of discrimination was going on after some of these families had been in Jamaica for such a long time.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> So debate or no debate, everyone else can catch it but you refuse to see what is in front of you because then you cant put people down for it.

You can cuss me all you want, it still does not change that they both made the same stance and I am free to point that out. <span style="font-weight: bold">I agree with both Twiny's and Britisha's assessment of the issue</span>. </div></div>

I did not cuss you and I don't agree with you. Britisha and Twiny did not provide the same assessment or make the same stance. No where NEAR the same stance.

My POV is unchanged. I have NOTHING further to say about this matter.

**loops** · 03-23-2009, 01:57 PM

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and again.

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

**Tuff Gong** · 03-23-2009, 01:59 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And you need to re-read where she pointed out that not every black woman in JA wants what you want from white men. You called Twiny racist for the every same thing. </div></div>

1. I never said that every black woman in Ja. wanted a white man.
2. I never said that I wanted anything from White men.

I did say that it was appalling that this kind of discrimination was going on after some of these families had been in Jamaica for such a long time.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> So debate or no debate, everyone else can catch it but you refuse to see what is in front of you because then you cant put people down for it.

You can cuss me all you want, it still does not change that they both made the same stance and I am free to point that out. <span style="font-weight: bold">I agree with both Twiny's and Britisha's assessment of the issue</span>. </div></div>

I did not cuss you and I don't agree with you. Britisha and Twiny did not provide the same assessment or make the same stance. No where NEAR the same stance.

My POV is unchanged. I have NOTHING further to say about this matter. </div></div>

Before you leave can you provide the rational for accepting the PO of one poster lock, stock and barrel while labeling the another poster a House Negro when both are clearly stating personal opinions and the one you choose to agree with just happens to be off the charts more wacky than snow on the sun.

**Morpheous** · 03-23-2009, 02:01 PM

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Tropi, a thought provoking question for you.
Given the topic of this tred and what has been discussed; the history of british political involvement in Jamaica pre and post slavery and the many GG that represented the monarchy in Jamaica since slavery until now. How do you see the GG of Jamaica today?

1: A 'house negro'
2: A perceived 'house negro'
3: Pro Jamaican 'black' man looking out for Jamaica' interest

**Tropicana** · 03-23-2009, 02:08 PM

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After this I am not answering any more questions <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Before you leave can you provide the rational for accepting the PO of one poster lock, stock and barrel while labeling the another poster a House Negro when both are clearly stating personal opinions and the one you choose to agree with just happens to be off the charts more wacky than snow on the sun.</div></div>

No they were <span style="font-weight: bold">not</span> stating the same thing. One was making excuses for right racist and trying to pretend that racial discrimination was not a factor the other wasn't. She painted a very clear picture of the dynamics that were at play in the society. To answer your second question, I do not accept ANY posters position lock, stock and barrel. I respect britisha but we have disagreed about a number of issues most colourfully about James Brown, but let's not go there today.

Moreus, if you want to discuss the GG, you will have to start another thread focusing specifically on that. Mi done wid dis thread.

Mi gawn

**loops** · 03-23-2009, 02:08 PM

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wooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooooooooo

**Gen** · 03-23-2009, 02:14 PM

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no yuh deh yah a cuss the ooman choo she seh she nuh want nuh white man (and him bang belly to boot)

if you want him why yuh nuh guh tek him ?

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