Derek !

[Dyoll_73]

Re: Derek !

Obama is not a Mason. The head of the masonic society in America has said that Obama isn't a member of any lodge. Masons no longer deny that fact; there's no need to. Freemasonry has generally lost the conspiratorial/satanic stigma, except among certain fringe groups on the right. It is a well respected fraternity. What is interesting is that Obama isn't a member. I suspect that his reasons for this are more political - conservative christians whom he courted last election are turned off with even the rumor of membership in such organizations.

But Derek will be dismayed to find that he is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the organization that supposedly rules the world. Then again, anyone who is somebody in America is a member of the CFR.

[Derek]

Re: Derek !

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But Derek will be dismayed to find that he is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)</div></div>

I knew that.
The CFR is the American branch of the same organisation. In Britain it's called the Royal Institute of International Affairs - RIIA (Chatham House).
Canada, South Africa, New Zealand and Australia have similar 'Round Table' groups.

[Derek]

Re: Derek !

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queenb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My daughter says it's sign language for &quot;I love you&quot;. </div></div>
The hand sign often is confused with the deaf hand signal, &quot;I love you.&quot; While at first this appears an odd resemblance, we register an &quot;ahh, I get it!&quot; emotion when we discover that the person who invented, or created, the hand sign system for the deaf, <span style="font-weight: bold">Helen Keller, was herself an occultist and Theosophist. </span>

Did Keller purposely design the deaf's &quot;I love you&quot; sign to be such a remarkable imitation of the classic sign of Satan?

remo - more photoshopped images:





King of Morocco

Cheney



Dan Quayle - remember him?

[Derek]

Re: Derek !

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama is not a Mason. The head of the masonic society in America has said that Obama isn't a member of any lodge.</div></div>

I believe (as does RichD) Obama is a 32nd degree Prince Hall Freemason.

[Dyoll_73]

Re: Derek !

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama is not a Mason. The head of the masonic society in America has said that Obama isn't a member of any lodge.</div></div>

I believe (as does RichD) Obama is a 32nd degree Prince Hall Freemason. </div></div>

You <span style="font-style: italic">believe</span>. But do you <span style="font-weight: bold">know</span> this?

[rudemonk]

Re: Derek !

frak me, metallica is a bunch of illuminati.

[Derek]

Re: Derek !

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama is not a Mason. The head of the masonic society in America has said that Obama isn't a member of any lodge.</div></div>

I believe (as does RichD) Obama is a 32nd degree Prince Hall Freemason. </div></div>

You <span style="font-style: italic">believe</span>. But do you <span style="font-weight: bold">know</span> this? </div></div>

OK, do you <span style="font-weight: bold">know</span> he's not a mason?

Nothing can be proved on here. But can you think of a president who wasn't? Isn't it par for the course?
Did the head of the masonic society in America (who is this guy anyway?) tell you personally, while showing you his list of members, with no Obama in the list of the Os?

[Derek]

Re: Derek !

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">frak me, metallica is a bunch of illuminati.

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Rock stars etc think it's 'cool' to use that sign, without knowing what it really means.

[rudemonk]

Re: Derek !

one thing though Derek- if say, Obama really is a member of a secret society with secret hand signs...then surely the power brokers who put him there know he is a member already, and he knows they know, everyone who is anyone within the secret society would already know who was a member...so who is he showing the sign to when he flashes it?

and now that the sign is outed, wouldn't they change the sign?

[Derek]

Re: Derek !

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">one thing though Derek- if say, Obama really is a member of a secret society with secret hand signs...then surely the power brokers who put him there know he is a member already, and he knows they know, everyone who is anyone within the secret society would already know who was a member...<span style="font-weight: bold">so who is he showing the sign to when he flashes it</span>?

and now that the sign is outed, wouldn't they change the sign? </div></div>

He is showing you, me and anyone! Do you think these people care?

Look at that giant Statue of Liberty (as you enter New York by boat from Europe). It was given to New York by French Freemasons and represents the Egyptian goddess Isis.

The pointy bits on the statue's head represents the sun's rays - that's how the ancients symbolised the sun, sometimes.
The torch represents illumination, enlightenment, knowledge.

The Statue clearly tells us, 'you are now entering a masonic-controlled country and we are showing you this, but you can't - or don't want to see it!'

Some people are told and believe, the Statue has something to do with the abolishment of slavery.

[Derek]

Re: Derek !

And with so many of them on camera flashing the sign, I believe they are TOLD to do it. By whom is another question.

[rudemonk]

Re: Derek !

interesting...

and if they are told to do it, then the tellers must not care about copy cats taking it up...

[Dyoll_73]

Re: Derek !

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Humano]Obama is not a Mason. The head of the masonic society in America has said that Obama isn't a member of any lodge.</div></div>

I believe (as does RichD) Obama is a 32nd degree Prince Hall Freemason. </div></div>

You <span style="font-style: italic">believe</span>. But do you <span style="font-weight: bold">know</span> this? </div></div>

OK, do you <span style="font-weight: bold">know</span> he's not a mason?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing can be proved on here. But can you think of a president who wasn't? Isn't it par for the course?
Did the head of the masonic society in America (who is this guy anyway?) tell you personally, while showing you his list of members, with no Obama in the list of the Os? </div></div>

Nice try!

So you have no proof that he is a mason. You have to offer a better argument than simply, former presidents of the US have been Masons, therefore Obama has got to be a mason (the implied premise being that Masonry is a requirement for the Oval Office).

I, on the other hand, have no certitude about these things. But I have concluded that he isn't a mason, and I've said why I think he isn't.

[Dyoll_73]

Re: Derek !

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">one thing though Derek- if say, Obama really is a member of a secret society with secret hand signs...then surely the power brokers who put him there know he is a member already, and he knows they know, everyone who is anyone within the secret society would already know who was a member...so who is he showing the sign to when he flashes it?

and now that the sign is outed, wouldn't they change the sign? </div></div>

LOL. That thought did occur to me. I say they change that frikkin sign.

[Derek]

Re: Derek !

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Derek]

Obama is not a Mason. The head of the masonic society in America has said that Obama isn't a member of any lodge.</div></div>

I believe (as does RichD) Obama is a 32nd degree Prince Hall Freemason. </div></div>

You <span style="font-style: italic">believe</span>. But do you <span style="font-weight: bold">know</span> this? </div></div>

OK, do you <span style="font-weight: bold">know</span> he's not a mason?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing can be proved on here. But can you think of a president who wasn't? Isn't it par for the course?
Did the head of the masonic society in America (who is this guy anyway?) tell you personally, while showing you his list of members, with no Obama in the list of the Os? </div></div>

Nice try!

So you have no proof that he is a mason. You have to offer a better argument than simply, former presidents of the US have been Masons, therefore Obama has got to be a mason (the implied premise being that Masonry is a requirement for the Oval Office).

I, on the other hand, have no certitude about these things. But I have concluded that he isn't a mason, and I've said why I think he isn't.

Nice try!
So you have no proof he's NOT a mason blah blah blah...