Rastafari indigenous village..wat a hell

**Tuff Gong** · 05-13-2009, 05:40 PM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i also think the branch davidian & jones town comparisons are way over the top & silly...</div></div>
Why didn't you say that to ones who made such a comparisons?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i guess it's too much for you to respect what a people call themselves so knock yourself out with your ism & schisms;</div></div>

What, and who did I disrespect?
Didn't I say remove the offensive words from the arguments and deal with the substance of what I said?
I mean this you only argument isn't it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but i will not just watch you or anyone else downplay or belittle the name of leonard howell or his great works on earth with techniques employed by coloni-tricksters....</div></div>

How did I belittle Ras Howell, explain to me?
Was it me that brought Pinnacle into the discussion?
Wouldn't you say it more disrespectful for Pinnacle to be introduced into this convo by way of comparison to this Rasta Disney World?
While we are on it could you explain what are Ras Howell’s great achievements?
I and I am certain others would like to know what sin have I committed in explaining why Ras Howell and Pinnacle should never have been brought into this convo.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...you have a right to dis it and i have a right to defend it...so 'there will be blood' </div></div>

What an idiotic conclusion?
Again what have I dissed?
You mean you are like Don Quixote De La Mancha riding around tilting windmills because of some head-tek-yu mission...be my guest go right on ahead!

**jah_yout** · 05-13-2009, 06:03 PM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i also think the branch davidian & jones town comparisons are way over the top & silly...</div></div>
Why didn't you say that to ones who made such a comparisons?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i guess it's too much for you to respect what a people call themselves so knock yourself out with your ism & schisms;</div></div>

What, and who did I disrespect?
Didn't I say remove the offensive words from the arguments and deal with the substance of what I said?
I mean this you only argument isn't it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but i will not just watch you or anyone else downplay or belittle the name of leonard howell or his great works on earth with techniques employed by coloni-tricksters....</div></div>

How did I belittle Ras Howell, explain to me?
Was it me that brought Pinnacle into the discussion?
Wouldn't you say it more disrespectful for Pinnacle to be introduced into this convo by way of comparison to this Rasta Disney World?
While we are on it could you explain what are Ras Howell’s great achievements?
I and I am certain others would like to know what sin have I committed in explaining why Ras Howell and Pinnacle should never have been brought into this convo.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...you have a right to dis it and i have a right to defend it...so 'there will be blood' </div></div>

What an idiotic conclusion?
Again what have I dissed?
You mean you are like Don Quixote De La Mancha riding around tilting windmills because of some head-tek-yu mission...be my guest go right on ahead! </div></div>

well to i and i baba howell is a prophet...
we don't see him or define him the way you do, and his works mean something different to i and i than it does to you;
and although i didn't introduce mr howell into the topic personally, i do think it is relevant when you look at the history of pinnacle, the first rasta commune and its brutal handling by the powers of jamaica at the time;
contrast that with commercialism disguised as an authentic rasta village and i do see the relevance in remembering our true history;

what great works has howell performed?
he is the pillar of a movement now known around the world all the way from likkle jamaica...
to free the mind is the greatest work of all

**Tuff Gong** · 05-13-2009, 07:01 PM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well to i and i baba howell is a prophet...
we don't see him or define him the way you do,</div></div>

In what way do I see him?
What really is your overstanding of what in relation to Ras Howell?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...and although i didn't introduce mr howell into the topic personally, i do think it is relevant when you look at the history of pinnacle, the first rasta commune and its brutal handling by the powers of jamaica at the time;
contrast that with commercialism disguised as an authentic rasta village and i do see the relevance in remembering our true history;</div></div>

I don't what you are really saying I am certainly not denying that Pinnacle was the first Rasta Village, but I am contending that even to Rasta Pinnacle was a long dead memory.
Many other Rasta Villages/Yards and Compounds came after Pinnacle without seeking any approval of what remained of Pinnacle.
Almost a soon a there was Rasta Doctrine there was sects of Rastas that sought to practice the beliefs according to their own interpretation.
To Claim that the Disney Rasta Village is dissing Pinnacle especially is crazy and more a belittling of Pinnacle than a respectful deference to Pinnacle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...what great works has howell performed?
he is the pillar of a movement now known around the world all the way from likkle jamaica...
to free the mind is the greatest work of all </div></div>

That is it?

Like every time you hear about Rasta the next thing that follows is that Ras Howell is <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">the one</span>?
I think I will continue to humour you but ask you to be careful, this precisely the problem with Ras Howell for the little that is known about him, one thing is know that at some point or the other he thought he was omnipotent putting him squarely in the camp of David Koresh and Jim Jones.

**britisha** · 05-13-2009, 11:30 PM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">your insistence on referring to the movement as rastafarian<span style="font-weight: bold">ism</span> shows a high degree of babylonialism;

you summarize/simplify the movement &/or pinnacle in the way a babylonia author who had never interacted with rastafarians would </div></div>Yaaaawn!

It is idiotic responses such as this why I really cannot take anything too seriously that you and some others write.
Okay let's go forward and edit all my post remove the one or to isms and replace it with Rasta, Rastafarian or whatever you feel like, then challenge my arguments on the basis of sense of what I write not the one or two words that you choose to cherry pick and whine about.
So today's objectionable words is: Rastafarianism, joins exploitation and authentic. Let’s agree to avoid using them so we can move forward.

It is hilarious that this Rasta Disney World that has now become an assault to the memory of Pinnacle, is been compared to Jones Town and the Branch Dravidian Compound. I think the ones making such comparisons did not overstand what Jones Town, The Branch Dravidian and Pinnacle represented as against this Rasta Disney Village.

I think there needs to be some education before some respondents commit foolishness to the board. </div></div>

Only you know, iinit?

KNOCK IT OFF DUH !!!

**britisha** · 05-13-2009, 11:36 PM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't what you are really saying I am certainly not denying that Pinnacle was the first Rasta Village, but I am contending that even to Rasta Pinnacle was a long dead memory.
Many other Rasta Villages/Yards and Compounds came after Pinnacle without seeking any approval of what remained of Pinnacle.
Almost a soon a there was Rasta Doctrine there was sects of Rastas that sought to practice the beliefs according to their own interpretation.
To Claim that the Disney Rasta Village is dissing Pinnacle especially is crazy and more a belittling of Pinnacle than a respectful deference to Pinnacle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...what great works has howell performed?
he is the pillar of a movement now known around the world all the way from likkle jamaica...
to free the mind is the greatest work of all </div></div>

That is it?

Like every time you hear about Rasta the next thing that follows is that Ras Howell is <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">the one</span>?
I think I will continue to humour you but ask you to be careful, this precisely the problem with Ras Howell for the little that is known about him,<span style="font-weight: bold"> one thing is know that at some point or the other he thought he was omnipotent putting him squarely in the camp of David Koresh and Jim Jones. </div></div></span>

You are too funny Koresh and Jones don't figure in this...it was just an analogy that I made....now you have taken it to new heights...yuh good, yuh good, yuh gooooood as the karnah bwouy dem used to seh...

**britisha** · 05-13-2009, 11:44 PM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i also think the branch davidian & jones town comparisons are way over the top & silly...</div></div>
Why didn't you say that to ones who made such a comparisons?</div></div>

I'm beginning to view your postings for what they are...you are so cunning...making reference to Branch Davidian and Jim Jones, ***if I am following some of these ill-written comments correctly..*** then trying to accuse the original poster, "britisha" ....<span style="font-weight: bold">I made reference to the compound</span>...You are making reference to <span style="font-weight: bold">Howell</span>...TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT ENTITIES..HOW DISHONEST OF YOU BRO !!!...stand by your word....Howell never entered the discussion when I made the reference...but yuh si yyuh? You need to stand by your word...IT IS A MARK OF INTEGRITY !!

**britisha** · 05-13-2009, 11:48 PM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

When there are no rational sane arguments to counter logic and reason the idea is let's invent a perceived slight. Let's hammer that and debate the minutiae of it until the topic is blown way off course. </div></div>

Now you are displacing your behaviour on the rest of he crowd here...NICE !! NOICE !!!

**cart456** · 05-14-2009, 01:41 AM

Re: Rastafari indigenous village..wat a hell

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**Tuff Gong** · 05-14-2009, 01:52 AM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KNOCK IT OFF DUH !!! </div></div>
Knock what off?

**Tuff Gong** · 05-14-2009, 01:54 AM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are too funny Koresh and Jones don't figure in this...it was just an analogy that I made....now you have taken it to new heights...</div></div>

What heights?
I was not the one who introduced Jones Town and the Branch Dravidians!

**Tuff Gong** · 05-14-2009, 01:57 AM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i also think the branch davidian & jones town comparisons are way over the top & silly...</div></div>
Why didn't you say that to ones who made such a comparisons?</div></div>

I'm beginning to view your postings for what they are...you are so cunning...making reference to Branch Davidian and Jim Jones, ***if I am following some of these ill-written comments correctly..*** then trying to accuse the original poster, "britisha" ....<span style="font-weight: bold">I made reference to the compound</span>...You are making reference to <span style="font-weight: bold">Howell</span>...TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT ENTITIES..HOW DISHONEST OF YOU BRO !!!...stand by your word....Howell never entered the discussion when I made the reference...but yuh si yyuh? You need to stand by your word...IT IS A MARK OF INTEGRITY !! </div></div>

I never introduced Jones Town, Wacko or Pinnacle. If they come into the convo I feel I am well within my rights to make the appropriate references to them.

**Tuff Gong** · 05-14-2009, 02:01 AM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

When there are no rational sane arguments to counter logic and reason the idea is let's invent a perceived slight. Let's hammer that and debate the minutiae of it until the topic is blown way off course. </div></div>

Now you are displacing your behaviour on the rest of he crowd here...NICE !! NOICE !!! </div></div>Again I was not the one who brought in Jones Town, Pinnacle and Wacko.
I am and was prepared to discuss the Rasta Disney World!

**mountaingal** · 05-14-2009, 06:32 PM

Re: Rastafari indigenous village..wat a hell

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I actually believe that if the current mediocrity in Jamaican popular music continues, eventually more foreigners will do reggae - and do it in a way that is true to the sound people associate with classic reggae, not dance-hall. And it has already started, though not on a broad scale - just foreign artists doing a track here and there.

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dem can try but the life experiences that give rise and authenticity to reggae and dancehall foreigners cannot approximate.

**Boricua_papi** · 05-14-2009, 06:34 PM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

Rasta Disney World?

**gourmet** · 05-14-2009, 07:15 PM

Re: save Pinnacle the REAL Rasta community , for posterity

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> dem can try but the life experiences that give rise and authenticity to reggae and dancehall foreigners cannot approximate.</div></div>
Lucky Dube managed to do it, and he is from South Africa.

Rastafari indigenous village..wat a hell

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