Re: Philanthropist gives up on Jamaica-very discouraging story
I hear what you are saying Barosa and I dont disagree. The reality is what it is currently until things change.
I dont accept that what happened to her was right. She did a good thing calling out those men who did what the did to the 14 yr old. But it still doesnt negate the fact that you could see the Don's reaction coming....But this leads into your point because there are no safe and effective ways to protest these kind of happenings within a community.
It is sad that running this woman out of the community isnt a surprise. Because who else will be willing to ring the alarm?
but <span style="font-weight: bold">that soceital breakdown that allows Dons to make such orders against a person in their community is born out of poverty and desperation, no?</span>
If certain social dysfunctions were not in place, then the act wouldn't have even occurred?
It would be something she needs to be aware of going into such an area, I would think. </div></div> If they were all equally poor, equally desperate and equally armed, this donmanship could not have survived to the point where they have the balls to order the rape of the little girl, making sure the woman knew that they did, they use it as a tool to remover her from the community.
this act is a strategy of using the power of arms to disenfranchise those unarmed who would would benefit from the actions of the volunteer.
It is all about people being too afraid to face the certain death if they stand up against the armed with their bible in their hands.
Re: Philanthropist gives up on Jamaica-very discouraging story
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have just seen how Jamaica is being portrayed in the foreign media of late. One which is still fresh in our minds with the title <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Sun, Sand and Savagery</span>: Whatever happened to Jamaica, Paradise Island</span> is a case in point and should be disturbing to us... What these "savages" did, confirmed what these Farrinas are all writing about us...I'm sure the word SAVAGERY is particularly disturbing to many of us because it makes look less than civilized people and we should be angry...</div></div>The consensus from this was that it was the foreigner’s fault.
I agree she should not be there in the first place. She is in the way let Jamaicans deal with the mess they created or allowed the white Colonialists to created and drop on them. Charity and philanthropy cannot fix Jamaica’s problems.
Re: Philanthropist gives up on Jamaica-very discouraging sto
this reminds me of a cambodian woman I recently learned about.
she was forced into prostitution at the age of 12, eventually escaped through the intercession of a french human rights worker who paid her pimp $100 for her release, and now works against the brothels and cartels...who took revenge against her by having her daughter kidnapped, drugged and raped.
Re: Philanthropist gives up on Jamaica-very discouraging story
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> "They could tell me how many condoms they used, how many times she screamed out in the night and how many times they sent her to clean up herself, but no one knew who did it," Morgan said.
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Re: Philanthropist gives up on Jamaica-very discouraging story
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yea man...jamaica lost its soul when these things can happen (14 yr-old gang raped)
no one can tell me poverty causes this </div></div> What you talking about?!?!
They did that to me during the 70's in REMA.
I was setting up a community economic project to produce leather products and SNOc-one and syrups.
The Don decided he wanted the money instead. He gave the orders,and they carried it out.
Weill as usual I don't have any money.
6 Youth stuck me up with their little Smith and Wesson five shooter. and went through my briefcase. I didn't even carry a fire arm.
Since I know they would try to get that.
After they did they realize that they couldn't get any cash that way, and do anything to me and survive.
So they apologized and return my possession
They were all killed on the order of the same Don that sent them, after he denied he had anything to do with it. As usual he got his not too long after. since it scrapped the whole project,and i stopped contacting them and refused to work with them.
All I am saying is that , it happens and very often too.
ask many of the priests, athatstil going, how many times they faced that and still go there.
If you face it and go back, they won't bother with you, but I couldn't take the chance with 6 youth pointing guns at me with their hands sweating and fingers twitching.
accidents like those are too easy to happen. </div></div>
speaking only for myself, Dr. Dudd. can you give me a very short laundry list of things YOU never did?
Re: Philanthropist gives up on Jamaica-very discouraging story
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bink</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yea man...jamaica lost its soul when these things can happen (14 yr-old gang raped)
no one can tell me poverty causes this </div></div> What you talking about?!?!
They did that to me during the 70's in REMA.
I was setting up a community economic project to produce leather products and SNOc-one and syrups.
The Don decided he wanted the money instead. He gave the orders,and they carried it out.
Weill as usual I don't have any money.
6 Youth stuck me up with their little Smith and Wesson five shooter. and went through my briefcase. I didn't even carry a fire arm.
Since I know they would try to get that.
After they did they realize that they couldn't get any cash that way, and do anything to me and survive.
So they apologized and return my possession
They were all killed on the order of the same Don that sent them, after he denied he had anything to do with it. As usual he got his not too long after. since it scrapped the whole project,and i stopped contacting them and refused to work with them.
All I am saying is that , it happens and very often too.
ask many of the priests, athatstil going, how many times they faced that and still go there.
If you face it and go back, they won't bother with you, but I couldn't take the chance with 6 youth pointing guns at me with their hands sweating and fingers twitching.
accidents like those are too easy to happen. </div></div>
speaking only for myself, Dr. Dudd. can you give me a very short laundry list of things YOU never did? </div></div>All IU can say is to be young educated and free in Jamaica in the time I was there and being in the circles that I grew up and to be as adventurous as I was i really did it all. Really. That is why today i actually have no need to have fun. I had enough doing what others considered hard work. I suppose if I was in the US then I might have joined the Peace corps, or even the CIA,but I certainly had an appetite for new things. And i certainly got my chances. Even my daughter recently found some old pics,and was astonished how many thing sI was involved in.But the funny thing is I do that even in organizations I work, Usually I get invitations from different organizations and jump at the opportunity to see what it is like. after i serve my time. I simply resign and move on. Even recalling my life experience right now is an enjoyment. . My daughter seek to be fopllowingh my footsteps now too. Why did you ask??
th esecret wass the time. Inthe time when I graduated from college, was just after the laws changed that required that Jamaican should take m,anagement posiotions replacing the historic laws for forbade that. Yes every corporations was fallimg other tyhemselves to recruit grauates. many of th eyouyt today do not even realize we went through such a period. It was heaven.
Re: Philanthropist gives up on Jamaica-very discouraging story
Do people who give expect gratitude ???? Do they expect their generocity innoculates them from the precence of crime ????
I am sure the lebanese sage Khalib Gibran called this womans attitude a great sin... to give with expectation....
Why do bank robbers rob banks ? Because that is where the money is....
Should poor people be the victim of crime ??? So much for her being part of a communiy.. When poor people get robbed and shot they have to remain where the crime occured.. they never have a choice..
Re: Philanthropist gives up on Jamaica-very discouraging story
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do people who give expect gratitude ???? Do they expect their generocity innoculates them from the precence of crime ????
I am sure the lebanese sage Khalib Gibran called this womans attitude a great sin... to give with expectation....
Why do bank robbers rob banks ? Because that is where the money is....
Should poor people be the victim of crime ??? So much for her being part of a communiy.. When poor people get robbed and shot they have to remain where the crime occured.. they never have a choice..
Re: Philanthropist gives up on Jamaica-very discouraging story
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should poor people be the victim of crime ??? So much for her being part of a communiy.. When poor people get robbed and shot they have to remain where the crime occured.. they never have a choice..</div></div>I don't quite see the sense of this line. Poor folks don't necessarily remain where they are abused, that is why there is high migration rate inside Jamaica as well as outside. It is one of the contributory factors of a 3rd of the population of Jamaica squatting on property they have no right to.
In fact Tower Hill itself is mostly made up of squatters who are refugees from in the past mainly political strife, now gang wars.
She was a part of the Community for the time that she remained there. Granted it was a foolish escapade but in her mind she thought she was doing a great service.
Re: Philanthropist gives up on Jamaica-very discouraging story
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should poor people be the victim of crime ??? So much for her being part of a communiy.. When poor people get robbed and shot they have to remain where the crime occured.. they never have a choice..</div></div>I don't quite see the sense of this line. Poor folks don't necessarily remain where they are abused, that is why there is high migration rate inside Jamaica as well as outside. It is one of the contributory factors of a 3rd of the population of Jamaica squatting on property they have no right to.
In fact Tower Hill itself is mostly made up of squatters who are refugees from in the past mainly political strife, now gang wars.
She was a part of the Community for the time that she remained there. Granted it was a foolish escapade but in her mind she thought she was doing a great service. </div></div>
i've seen aid workers in some of the most bloody places/war zones who get left alone;
i guess it depends on the heart of the badman dem in the area
but <span style="font-weight: bold">that soceital breakdown that allows Dons to make such orders against a person in their community is born out of poverty and desperation, no?</span>
If certain social dysfunctions were not in place, then the act wouldn't have even occurred?
It would be something she needs to be aware of going into such an area, I would think. </div></div> If they were all equally poor, equally desperate and equally armed, this donmanship could not have survived to the point where they have the balls to order the rape of the little girl, making sure the woman knew that they did, they use it as a tool to remover her from the community.
this act is a strategy of using the power of arms to disenfranchise those unarmed who would would benefit from the actions of the volunteer.
It is all about people being too afraid to face the certain death if they stand up against the armed with their bible in their hands. </div></div>
i dont buy that doc..i think you are ignoring human nature ..some peopel are more ruthless than others...being armed does not automatically bring the willingness to use the arms.
When its hot in the jungle of peace I go swimming in the ocean of love.....
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