Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

**Geoff** · 06-22-2009, 01:37 PM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe the returnees could turn the country around. </div></div>

Ideally this would be the outcome,however,some returnees has suggester that they have regrets about moving back,my mother being one of them.
Apart from the crime situation,the intermittent electricity cuts,the rip offs,and the expectation that because you are a returnee you are wealthy,not to mention the many inconveniences,... there is also a big boredom factor for people who have lived abroad,...not being able to book a restaurant and have a nice meal out,go to the theatre to watch a play,or opera,...go to the cinema,an efficient public transportation system,.....if you`ve lived abroad for a very long time after a time the little inconveniences can add up and make life miserable. </div></div>

I don't know how much of that is reality, and how much is perception. Crime is a reality yes, but a lot of it is gang-related/localized...it is not trivial but the perception probably magnifies the impact. Electricity cuts are not as frequent as they used to be, is not like seh this is Zimbabwe and the light can be relied on to be unreliable.

Kingston has almost all of those things listed; many good restaurants, some good theater productions, a good movie theater (Carib compares decently with any foreign cinema). I agree the public transport is an issue, you will need your own transport in Jamaica to be truly independent.

Montego Bay, Ocho Rios and Mandeville have similar benefits to Kingston, albeit on a smaller scale...but if you move from the USA to the Jamaican countryside, you will have that boredom effect. On the other hand, life is what you make of it, and you can't move to the country expecting city life.

I came back home from the USA in 2006. It wasn't by choice, but having been back, I am glad I came back. I don't disagree that living here has its challenges, but I remember what JFK said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Keeping that in mind has helped me really deal with the frustrations that living here CAN bring...but then is not as if the USA or Canada or the UK is a bastion of perfectionism either. This is my home.

**jah_yout** · 06-22-2009, 01:43 PM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magix_de_PM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You make is sound like Yaad overrun with farrina like the English tek ova Spain, or Cubans in Miami. I only see farrinas in the touriss areas. De farrina you meet in Town are mostly Trini or Bajan. But again not in alarmingly large numbers.

Jamaica still fi Jamaicans. And matta a fact, now is the time to buy. Not as good a time as 15 years ago, but the prices bound to rise afta de recession pass. So horry. </div></div>

yu sure bout dat?
they may not be seen but they are there; which part dem live yu nawguh si dem too often; poor man cyaan walk go a dem place deh;
if we continue to play the fool they will soon have a section of j-a wher we're not even allowed to go

**Magician** · 06-22-2009, 01:50 PM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
if we continue to play the fool they will soon have a section of j-a wher we're not even allowed to go </div></div>

When last you go Yaad, and which pawt dem run you from?

**Xavier** · 06-22-2009, 01:52 PM

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Welcome Geoff. It is always encouraging to hear when someone returns home successfully. I had quite a few friends that returned home but only 2 that stayed. The rest either returned to North America or moved to another Caribbean island. I was talking to a friend that goes "back and forth" as their spouse live in Jamaica. She explained it is difficult to adjust especially when you are a business person who is use to things moving fast.

**jah_yout** · 06-22-2009, 02:06 PM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magix_de_PM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
if we continue to play the fool they will soon have a section of j-a wher we're not even allowed to go </div></div>

When last you go Yaad, and which pawt dem run you from? </div></div>

bout 3 years now since i last went, although i'm going in couple months; wasn't run from anywhere but i was only warning that it can soon happen & has indeed already happened in some places....

**jah_yout** · 06-22-2009, 02:08 PM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Geoff</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe the returnees could turn the country around. </div></div>

Ideally this would be the outcome,however,some returnees has suggester that they have regrets about moving back,my mother being one of them.
Apart from the crime situation,the intermittent electricity cuts,the rip offs,and the expectation that because you are a returnee you are wealthy,not to mention the many inconveniences,... there is also a big boredom factor for people who have lived abroad,...not being able to book a restaurant and have a nice meal out,go to the theatre to watch a play,or opera,...go to the cinema,an efficient public transportation system,.....if you`ve lived abroad for a very long time after a time the little inconveniences can add up and make life miserable. </div></div>

I don't know how much of that is reality, and how much is perception. Crime is a reality yes, but a lot of it is gang-related/localized...it is not trivial but the perception probably magnifies the impact. Electricity cuts are not as frequent as they used to be, is not like seh this is Zimbabwe and the light can be relied on to be unreliable.

Kingston has almost all of those things listed; many good restaurants, some good theater productions, a good movie theater (Carib compares decently with any foreign cinema). I agree the public transport is an issue, you will need your own transport in Jamaica to be truly independent.

Montego Bay, Ocho Rios and Mandeville have similar benefits to Kingston, albeit on a smaller scale...but if you move from the USA to the Jamaican countryside, you will have that boredom effect. On the other hand, life is what you make of it, and you can't move to the country expecting city life.

I came back home from the USA in 2006. It wasn't by choice, but having been back, I am glad I came back. I don't disagree that living here has its challenges, but I remember what JFK said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Keeping that in mind has helped me really deal with the frustrations that living here CAN bring...but then is not as if the USA or Canada or the UK is a bastion of perfectionism either. This is my home. </div></div>

this is great to see

**Magician** · 06-22-2009, 02:13 PM

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Some places indeed, but not in Jamaica yet.

Big up Geoff.
Good to hear seh you make it work.
I think part of it is mindset. If you determine to go back home and enjoy it, you will.

**britisha** · 06-22-2009, 10:07 PM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Geoff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't know how much of that is reality, and how much is perception. Crime is a reality yes, but a lot of it is gang-related/localized...it is not trivial but the perception probably magnifies the impact. Electricity cuts are not as frequent as they used to be, is not like seh this is Zimbabwe and the light can be relied on to be unreliable.

Kingston has almost all of those things listed; many good restaurants, some good theater productions, a good movie theater (Carib compares decently with any foreign cinema). I agree the public transport is an issue, you will need your own transport in Jamaica to be truly independent.

Montego Bay, Ocho Rios and Mandeville have similar benefits to Kingston, albeit on a smaller scale...but if you move from the USA to the Jamaican countryside, you will have that boredom effect. On the other hand, life is what you make of it, and you can't move to the country expecting city life.

I came back home from the USA in 2006. It wasn't by choice, but having been back, I am glad I came back. I don't disagree that living here has its challenges, but I remember what JFK said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Keeping that in mind has helped me really deal with the frustrations that living here CAN bring...but then is not as if the USA or Canada or the UK is a bastion of perfectionism either. This is my home. </div></div>

Wow!!

Thanks for reading and contributing to the thread. Your comments are very noteworthy,

I have only one question and that is, how long have you been away from Jamaica before returning?

I'm asking because I think the longer one lived abroad, the harder it <span style="font-weight: bold">might</span> be to readjust on returning.

thanks,

britisha.

**britisha** · 06-22-2009, 10:23 PM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are so many variables that you would have to take into consideration. Place to live, means of income, transport, healthcare, security, family and friends support structure etc.

I've spoken to many people whose opinions range from,

Being able to spend time in both Jamaica and US/UK/Can.

Wanting to go back but don't have the means to do so.

Would only consider it if the could live comfortably in a manner to which they've become accustomed.

Would like to but feel they can't go back because they've been away so long and have no family.

Will go back on vacation but have no intention of returning to live.

Have no intention of stepping foot in the country ever again.

I wouldn't discourage anyone from going back home but equally, I wouldn't criticise anyone for saying they won't go back, each to his or her own.

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I think this sums it up in a nutshell.

Everyone has made very interesting and important contribution[s]....whole heap a food for thought...but in the final analysis, as we all can see, it will be entirely up to the individual...but from reading here, it must be only Panjar who sounds as if he/she would be <span style="font-weight: bold">eager</span> to return home.::

Now, as a side bar, to reinforce what some of us have said about the ripping off...I know a person who had been away for over 40 years, had to go home for it would be easier to take care of a sick spouse than staying in the US...maid service, help with wheelchair and the like...went back in about 2007..well the person is minus about US$40,000 or thereabouts...heard someone managed to talk the "person" into lending "them" money...over a year now, and the person hasn't heard even gun fyah bout ie....everyday the person asks for the money, the person only hears that the horse is dead and the cow is fat...yuh get dah jrift.

...so yes, "they" <span style="font-style: italic">Jack Mandorah</span>... are there waiting on some of us to come home to swindle us.

**Panajar** · 06-22-2009, 11:13 PM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.it must be only Panjar who sounds as if he/she would be <span style="font-weight: bold">eager</span> to return home.:: </div></div>

The truth is me dont have any choice but to go back me navel string cut down there. anyway me own two house down there
and 29 acre a land what me inherit . so me must go back but i will split my time between the two country. me a mek sure before me lef me have "serious mula" .because a nuff bakkle me a go fite down there.

me get rob two time when me a little boy but that not going to mek me run away fi good.but the know sey me dont romp now.

**britisha** · 06-23-2009, 07:00 AM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.it must be only Panjar who sounds as if he/she would be <span style="font-weight: bold">eager</span> to return home.:: </div></div>

The truth is me dont have any choice but to go back me navel string cut down there. anyway me own two house down there
and 29 acre a land what me inherit . so me must go back but i will split my time between the two country. me a mek sure before me lef me have "serious mula" .because a nuff bakkle me a go fite down there.

me get rob two time when me a little boy but that not going to mek me run away fi good.but the know sey me dont romp now.
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No wandah yuh waan fi goh back...you have something to return to.

Many people do not and that is a part of the problem...dem nevah mek no "preparations" fi goh back in case of anything; so they'd rather liff a farrin on their likkle pension [which could value a lot a yaawd] than go home.

On the other hand, many people invested heavily in homes and even business, and dem still seh dem nat going back, cozzing of the crime...so ::han a mi jaw::

Surprisingly, nobadie noh seh dem nat going back for dem fraid a duppy...:: [joke] but every boddie soun like dem fraid a gunman..and rightfully so.

Juss tek it easy mi a beg yuh, an sing slow and kip low...for no mattah how yuh naaah romp, yuh noh waan lay yuhself hopin fi annie disaster, a soh mi sset. Yuh caan't go back and bi braggy braggy and sho-haff, or yuh agguh atrack negitiff attenshan tuh yuhself.

**Mutty** · 06-23-2009, 10:01 AM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

I want to move back home (St.Thomas, Virgin Islands) myself.

Blackstar* · 06-23-2009, 11:38 AM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> every boddie soun like dem fraid a gunman..and rightfully so.</div></div>I'm only afraid of not being able to make a living - need a business idea/plan that doesn't need too much "assistance" and can ensure a decent lifestyle.

**RichD** · 06-23-2009, 11:40 AM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> every boddie soun like dem fraid a gunman..and rightfully so.</div></div>I'm only afraid of not being able to make a living - need a business idea/plan that doesn't need too much "assistance" and can ensure a decent lifestyle. </div></div>

that is the key

can't go back an batta.

**uswe** · 06-23-2009, 11:53 AM

Re: Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> every boddie soun like dem fraid a gunman..and rightfully so.</div></div>I'm only afraid of not being able to make a living - need a business idea/plan that doesn't need too much "assistance" and can ensure a decent lifestyle. </div></div>

that is the key

can't go back an batta.

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It good if yuh able fi tun yuh han tuh more dan wan ting!

Why aren't most Jamaicans and WI peeps for that matter

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