Michael Jackson died

**Hugo** · 06-26-2009, 02:45 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I do understand this. I feel bad cause someone who gave me good childhood memories are gone and thus puts into perspective my own morality but all this crying business just goes over my head.

I feel for his family becuase outside of his being an entertainer he was someones' child and brother. Now their grief is public and I really feel bad for <span style="font-weight: bold">them</span>.

Same reaction I had to Lady Di's death. It was sad to read but the shrine's and thing were surreal to me. The only time it did affect me was when I watched the funeral and the camera zoomed in on the coffin and the flowers on top had the card that said simply <span style="font-weight: bold">Mummy</span>. That did make me tear up because again, all this public hoopla was put into perspective...at the end of the day, she was some kid's mummy nothing more....and which had the greatest meaning.

And these children had to suck it up for the public and put on a brave face. THAT hurt;s my heart, not becuase I feel for her or Michael but because I still can recall what it means to be a kid and how painful that must be for them.

<span style="font-weight: bold">If anything when you lose ppl you truly love, you are far more empathatic to other ppl's grief and what it means to grieve as a process and not necessarily about who is lost specifically.</span>

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Does anybody understand what Nylah just said? I don't.

**Nylah** · 06-26-2009, 02:47 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

Sorry with all due respect why do ppl say not to speak ill of the dead? Not that I feel TG or Milo Man did that about Michael but for anyone that has passed...why do ppl believe in this statement?

I mean, if I didnt like you the day before you died why and I gonna turn hypocrite and chat you like you are my best friend? If you dont care if someone is dead cause thet meant nothing to you, as much as that may not sound nice, at least it is honest.

Even Anderson Cooper alluded to this on his show yesterday. All these stars that called in to express how they felt about Michale being dead, some probably did chat bad about him when he was alive.

If you repesct a person in life then you will feel away when them dead but if you nah care why ppl feel it is alright to tell you you cant feel how they see it?

**Nylah** · 06-26-2009, 02:48 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

and what exactly has flown over your head?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Baker Street</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I do understand this. I feel bad cause someone who gave me good childhood memories are gone and thus puts into perspective my own morality but all this crying business just goes over my head.

I feel for his family becuase outside of his being an entertainer he was someones' child and brother. Now their grief is public and I really feel bad for <span style="font-weight: bold">them</span>.

Same reaction I had to Lady Di's death. It was sad to read but the shrine's and thing were surreal to me. The only time it did affect me was when I watched the funeral and the camera zoomed in on the coffin and the flowers on top had the card that said simply <span style="font-weight: bold">Mummy</span>. That did make me tear up because again, all this public hoopla was put into perspective...at the end of the day, she was some kid's mummy nothing more....and which had the greatest meaning.

And these children had to suck it up for the public and put on a brave face. THAT hurt;s my heart, not becuase I feel for her or Michael but because I still can recall what it means to be a kid and how painful that must be for them.

<span style="font-weight: bold">If anything when you lose ppl you truly love, you are far more empathatic to other ppl's grief and what it means to grieve as a process and not necessarily about who is lost specifically.</span>

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Does anybody understand what Nylah just said? I don't. [/quote]

**Hugo** · 06-26-2009, 02:50 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i don't, wouldn't, can't rejoice when anyone dies. however, he was not a member of my family or someone i know, so his death doesn't affect me; just the same as elvis or farah fawcett's. sure, they're entertainers and i like their work. i just don't understand all the public mourning. i really just don't get it. same as i didn't understand the princess diana thing. people crying, shrines being put up. i'll just go and get ready for work.

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Do that. Fortunately everyone is not like you Sue. You have your feeelings, others have theirs. Let them mourn in peace.

**Boopie2** · 06-26-2009, 02:58 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Sorry with all due respect why do ppl say not to speak ill of the dead? Not that I feel TG or Milo Man did that about Michael but for anyone that has passed...why do ppl believe in this statement?

I mean, if I didnt like you the day before you died why and I gonna turn hypocrite and chat you like you are my best friend? If you dont care if someone is dead cause thet meant nothing to you, as much as that may not sound nice, at least it is honest.

Even Anderson Cooper alluded to this on his show yesterday. All these stars that called in to express how they felt about Michale being dead, some probably did chat bad about him when he was alive.

If you repesct a person in life then you will feel away when them dead but if you nah care why ppl feel it is alright to tell you you cant feel how they see it?

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I agree.

**jah_yout** · 06-26-2009, 02:59 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Sorry with all due respect why do ppl say not to speak ill of the dead? Not that I feel TG or Milo Man did that about Michael but for anyone that has passed...why do ppl believe in this statement?

I mean, if I didnt like you the day before you died why and I gonna turn hypocrite and chat you like you are my best friend? If you dont care if someone is dead cause thet meant nothing to you, as much as that may not sound nice, at least it is honest.

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it's called class...and some people will never be able to buy it much less have it;
i think it stems from the fact that the person who is deceased is no longer here to defend themself...it is the ultimate end, so it is crass to speak ill of the dead, unless of course that person was your bitter enemy or hated nemesis then i can overstand taking shots at a dead person...
it's like having a boxing match with an arm-less person

**Boopie2** · 06-26-2009, 03:03 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Nylah]

Sorry with all due respect why do ppl say not to speak ill of the dead? Not that I feel TG or Milo Man did that about Michael but for anyone that has passed...why do ppl believe in this statement?

I mean, if I didnt like you the day before you died why and I gonna turn hypocrite and chat you like you are my best friend? If you dont care if someone is dead cause thet meant nothing to you, as much as that may not sound nice, at least it is honest.

it's called class...and some people will never be able to buy it much less have it;
i think it stems from the fact that the person who is deceased is no longer here to defend themself...it is the ultimate end, so it is crass to speak ill of the dead, unless of course that person was your bitter enemy or hated nemesis then i can overstand taking shots at a dead person...
it's like having a boxing match with an arm-less person </div></div>

The armed one may still get his butt kicked, ever watched kick boxing.

**Boopie2** · 06-26-2009, 03:08 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

The Washington Post/ Style

Mr. Jackson's career began as a family business in Gary, Ind. As the Jackson 5, the group moved in a comparatively short time from local talent contests to national stardom, with the encouragement of established artists including Gladys Knight. Driven by their father in a borrowed Volkswagen van, the Jackson 5 appeared in Chicago, at New York's Apollo Theater and as the opening act for the Temptations and Smokey Robinson and the Miracles. At Knight's urging, Motown owner Berry Gordy signed the group to a contract in 1968.

Two years later, when Michael was 12, the Jackson 5 had four No. 1 hits, including "ABC" (which won a Grammy Award as best pop song) "I Want You Back" and "I'll Be There." Under Gordy's intensive grooming, the Jackson 5 achieved an astounding degree of mass popularity among black and white audiences. Their concerts caused near-riots, with young Michael becoming an unlikely prepubescent sex symbol and a Saturday morning cartoon.

Mr. Jackson began to emerge as a solo artist with the album "Got to Be There" (1971), which included the hit song "Rockin' Robin."

At 15, his voice broke, giving him a range from soprano to tenor. At the same time, the Jacksons began to chafe under the strict artistic control of Gordy and demanded greater artistic freedom. In 1975, the Jacksons left Motown for CBS's Epic label, but Gordy managed to keep the rights to the Jackson 5 name. Michael and his brothers continued performing as the Jacksons, and in 1978 Michael sang and danced as the Scarecrow in the film "The Wiz," an all-black remake "The Wizard of Oz" starring one of Jackson's idols, Diana Ross.

Jones, who produced "The Wiz's" soundtrack, agreed to produce Mr. Jackson's next solo album. Their first collaboration, "Off the Wall" (1979), sold 9 million copies and had four Top 10 hits. In 1982, Mr. Jackson released his next, "Thriller," which was also produced by Jones. It became an instant phenomenon, selling more than 40 million copies globally and yielding seven Top 10 hits, including "Billie Jean," "Beat It" and the title track.

"Thriller" won eight Grammy Awards, but it was Mr. Jackson's breathtaking performances on music videos accompanying the album that became instantly memorable. He choreographed the exciting dance routines, which featured his showstopping moonwalk, acrobatic moves and uncanny precision. He started wearing a white glove on one hand, which became one of his sartorial signatures. Several guest stars, including Paul McCartney, Eddie Van Halen and Vincent Price, appeared on videos from the album.

His 1987 album, "Bad," sold 30 million copies and produced five No. 1 singles, including the title track, "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" and "Man in the Mirror." Videos from the album dominated MTV. By the time of his 1991 album, "Dangerous," Mr. Jackson had parted ways with producer Jones. Although the album sold 32 million copies, it was seen as something of an artistic letdown.

In his 30s, Mr. Jackson started to become more enigma than entertainer. He straightened his hair and nose, beginning a process of almost surreal self-reconstruction. In time, Jackson's skin turned from brown to a pale, ghostly white, his nose shrank from repeated plastic surgery, and his frame remained painfully gaunt. He wore outlandish costumes in public, spoke in an airy, high-pitched whisper.

His world devolved into a series of tabloid headlines that reported rumors or facts about everything from his curious pet ownership to the plastic surgeries that drastically changed him. He built a private playland, the sprawling Neverland, replete with an amusement park and zoo, to which he invited scores of underprivileged children. He was accused of abusing a child in the 1990s (a case which was settled out of court in 1994 for a reported amount between $15 million and $24 million).

For all his impact on popular music, Mr. Jackson's life seemed to play out as a metaphor on the delusions and cruelty of fame. He was unlucky in the art of public relations, and sometimes he was just unlucky, as when pyrotechnics set his hair on fire during the filming of a Pepsi commercial.

Other misfortunes he seemed to bring on himself -- and theories about his behavior were never in short supply. People loved to think they had cracked the mystery of Michael: He wanted his face to resemble Liz Taylor's. He hated his appearance because his father and brothers used to tease him. He was repressed, he was asexual, he was an addict, he was a pervert, he was from outer space, he was a genius, he was stupid, he was insane. The truth was never known and Jackson recoiled from media scrutiny, and largely thwarted the assistance of image experts, who displeased him.

In the early 2000s his fortunes and recording contracts waned, and an album, 2001's "Invincible," essentially tanked, selling only 10 million copies worldwide. Mr. Jackson lashed out at his record label and claimed, at an appearance with the Rev. Al Sharpton, that he was the victim of racism. The hits kept not coming, but the headlines did: In November 2002, Jackson appeared to dangle his blanketed infant son over a Berlin hotel balcony while greeting fans and paparazzi below, which brought outrage.

He was briefly married to Elvis Presley progeny Lisa Marie Presley -- a largely symbolic union of pop dynasties. After that marriage was over, he became a father to three children, whose paternal and maternal origins created much speculation: Prince Michael I, who is now 12, and Paris Michael, 11. His youngest child, Prince Michael II (nicknamed Blanket as a baby), is 7. (He is also survived by his siblings and his parents, Joe and Katherine Jackson.)

"I must confess I am not surprised by today's tragic news," Michael Levine, a Los Angeles publicist who represented Mr. Jackson when the singer was accused of child molestation in the 1990s, said in a statement. "Michael has been on an impossibly difficult and often self-destructive journey for years. His talent was unquestionable but so too was his discomfort with the norms of the world. A human simply can not withstand this level of prolonged stress."

Mr. Jackson was planning to appear in a sold-out series of concerts in London next month that would have run until March. Promoters of the concerts had recently said that the singer had passed a physical examination to assuage any doubts he was ready for a comeback.

But what sort of comeback? It seemed increasingly futile. Michael Jackson's many observers (a media cottage industry all its own) generally regard a 2003 television interview he gave as the beginning of his end. In that interview, with British journalist Martin Bashir, Mr. Jackson appeared holding hands with a young boy who had cancer. Something seemed weird. Something always seemed weird.

That particular weirdness eventually led Mr. Jackson back to court in the spring of 2005, after the boy accused the pop star of molesting him. Mr. Jackson's fragility was never more pronounced than in that Santa Maria courthouse. Here at last was the daily, up-close look at a withered man in a mirror, under the courtroom's fluorescent lights. He was always polite, and always sad. Mr. Jackson was acquitted and spent the rest of his days on the move, on jets and in hotels, dodging bankruptcy proceedings, as if he were on the run from not only what he was, but what the world made him.

**Morpheous** · 06-26-2009, 03:08 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry with all due respect why do ppl say not to speak ill of the dead? Not that I feel TG or Milo Man did that about Michael but for anyone that has passed...why do ppl believe in this statement?

I mean, if I didnt like you the day before you died why and I gonna turn hypocrite and chat you like you are my best friend? If you dont care if someone is dead cause thet meant nothing to you, as much as that may not sound nice, at least it is honest.</div></div>
If you don't like someone while they were alive then truly enough the fact remains when they are dead unless you reconciled any issues you won't like them still.

However, if you utter in one breath your condolences of the dead whilst swiping at their anatomy in mockery is hypocritical and disingenuous. The same way you wouldn't expect someone to turn up at the funeral of the dead to pay their respects and use that opportunity make a swipe at the dead - saying they died owing you money even if that was the case.

Maybe I am evil in the way I think there should be a time and place for everything. What's the world coming to.

**Shine_Eye_Girl** · 06-26-2009, 03:10 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">it's called class...and some people will never be able to buy it much less have it</span>;
i think it stems from the fact that the person who is deceased is no longer here to defend themself...it is the ultimate end, <span style="font-weight: bold">so it is crass to speak ill of the dead</span>, unless of course that person was your bitter enemy or hated nemesis then i can overstand taking shots at a dead person...
it's like having a boxing match with an arm-less person </div></div>

**jah_yout** · 06-26-2009, 03:10 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Nylah]

Sorry with all due respect why do ppl say not to speak ill of the dead? Not that I feel TG or Milo Man did that about Michael but for anyone that has passed...why do ppl believe in this statement?

I mean, if I didnt like you the day before you died why and I gonna turn hypocrite and chat you like you are my best friend? If you dont care if someone is dead cause thet meant nothing to you, as much as that may not sound nice, at least it is honest.

it's called class...and some people will never be able to buy it much less have it;
i think it stems from the fact that the person who is deceased is no longer here to defend themself...it is the ultimate end, so it is crass to speak ill of the dead, unless of course that person was your bitter enemy or hated nemesis then i can overstand taking shots at a dead person...
it's like having a boxing match with an arm-less person </div></div>

The armed one may still get his butt kicked, ever watched kick boxing.

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ok, an armless AND legless, and headless.... you get my drift

Blackstar* · 06-26-2009, 03:12 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Baker Street</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... You have your feeelings, others have theirs. Let them mourn in peace. </div></div>Part of my childhood died with MJ. This is the first celebrity death that has me feeling absolutely devastated. For real.

**Tuff Gong** · 06-26-2009, 03:13 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-size: 14pt">And the idiots use their so-callednormal experiences to judge his behavior. They simply use their smutty muinds to judge his behavior. I mean I hear things like"he is a big 35 year old man" Like many of themare doingfinanciallywhat tpeople of their age has accomploshed. Everybody does not adfvance in all phases of life at the same pace as others, they should not be seen as dangerous simply because the yare discovered to do so. It is so commonit should be accepted as normal, by reasonable people.
Just aS you can't be all things to all people,You are not lekely to be be as advanced in all facets of life either</span> </div></div>

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">LOL</span> this explains <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">your</span> condition!

**Shine_Eye_Girl** · 06-26-2009, 03:13 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Part of my childhood died with MJ. This is the first celebrity death that has me feeling absolutely devastated. For real. </div></div>

Mi ah tell yu

**evanovitch** · 06-26-2009, 03:14 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Washington Post/ Style

Mr. Jackson's career began as a family business in Gary, Ind. As the Jackson 5, the group moved in a comparatively short time from local talent contests to national stardom, with the encouragement of established artists including Gladys Knight. Driven by their father in a borrowed Volkswagen van, the Jackson 5 appeared in Chicago, at New York's Apollo Theater and as the opening act for the Temptations and Smokey Robinson and the Miracles. At Knight's urging, Motown owner Berry Gordy signed the group to a contract in 1968.

Two years later, when Michael was 12, the Jackson 5 had four No. 1 hits, including "ABC" (which won a Grammy Award as best pop song) "I Want You Back" and "I'll Be There." Under Gordy's intensive grooming, the Jackson 5 achieved an astounding degree of mass popularity among black and white audiences. Their concerts caused near-riots, with young Michael becoming an unlikely prepubescent sex symbol and a Saturday morning cartoon.

Mr. Jackson began to emerge as a solo artist with the album "Got to Be There" (1971), which included the hit song "Rockin' Robin."

At 15, his voice broke, giving him a range from soprano to tenor. At the same time, the Jacksons began to chafe under the strict artistic control of Gordy and demanded greater artistic freedom. In 1975, the Jacksons left Motown for CBS's Epic label, but Gordy managed to keep the rights to the Jackson 5 name. Michael and his brothers continued performing as the Jacksons, and in 1978 Michael sang and danced as the Scarecrow in the film "The Wiz," an all-black remake "The Wizard of Oz" starring one of Jackson's idols, Diana Ross.

Jones, who produced "The Wiz's" soundtrack, agreed to produce Mr. Jackson's next solo album. Their first collaboration, "Off the Wall" (1979), sold 9 million copies and had four Top 10 hits. In 1982, Mr. Jackson released his next, "Thriller," which was also produced by Jones. It became an instant phenomenon, selling more than 40 million copies globally and yielding seven Top 10 hits, including "Billie Jean," "Beat It" and the title track.

"Thriller" won eight Grammy Awards, but it was Mr. Jackson's breathtaking performances on music videos accompanying the album that became instantly memorable. He choreographed the exciting dance routines, which featured his showstopping moonwalk, acrobatic moves and uncanny precision. He started wearing a white glove on one hand, which became one of his sartorial signatures. Several guest stars, including Paul McCartney, Eddie Van Halen and Vincent Price, appeared on videos from the album.

His 1987 album, "Bad," sold 30 million copies and produced five No. 1 singles, including the title track, "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" and "Man in the Mirror." Videos from the album dominated MTV. By the time of his 1991 album, "Dangerous," Mr. Jackson had parted ways with producer Jones. Although the album sold 32 million copies, it was seen as something of an artistic letdown.

In his 30s, Mr. Jackson started to become more enigma than entertainer. He straightened his hair and nose, beginning a process of almost surreal self-reconstruction. In time, Jackson's skin turned from brown to a pale, ghostly white, his nose shrank from repeated plastic surgery, and his frame remained painfully gaunt. He wore outlandish costumes in public, spoke in an airy, high-pitched whisper.

His world devolved into a series of tabloid headlines that reported rumors or facts about everything from his curious pet ownership to the plastic surgeries that drastically changed him. He built a private playland, the sprawling Neverland, replete with an amusement park and zoo, to which he invited scores of underprivileged children. He was accused of abusing a child in the 1990s (a case which was settled out of court in 1994 for a reported amount between $15 million and $24 million).

For all his impact on popular music, Mr. Jackson's life seemed to play out as a metaphor on the delusions and cruelty of fame. He was unlucky in the art of public relations, and sometimes he was just unlucky, as when pyrotechnics set his hair on fire during the filming of a Pepsi commercial.

Other misfortunes he seemed to bring on himself -- and theories about his behavior were never in short supply. People loved to think they had cracked the mystery of Michael: He wanted his face to resemble Liz Taylor's. He hated his appearance because his father and brothers used to tease him. He was repressed, he was asexual, he was an addict, he was a pervert, he was from outer space, he was a genius, he was stupid, he was insane. The truth was never known and Jackson recoiled from media scrutiny, and largely thwarted the assistance of image experts, who displeased him.

In the early 2000s his fortunes and recording contracts waned, and an album, 2001's "Invincible," essentially tanked, selling only 10 million copies worldwide. Mr. Jackson lashed out at his record label and claimed, at an appearance with the Rev. Al Sharpton, that he was the victim of racism. The hits kept not coming, but the headlines did: In November 2002, Jackson appeared to dangle his blanketed infant son over a Berlin hotel balcony while greeting fans and paparazzi below, which brought outrage.

He was briefly married to Elvis Presley progeny Lisa Marie Presley -- a largely symbolic union of pop dynasties. After that marriage was over, he became a father to three children, whose paternal and maternal origins created much speculation: Prince Michael I, who is now 12, and Paris Michael, 11. His youngest child, Prince Michael II (nicknamed Blanket as a baby), is 7. (He is also survived by his siblings and his parents, Joe and Katherine Jackson.)

"I must confess I am not surprised by today's tragic news," Michael Levine, a Los Angeles publicist who represented Mr. Jackson when the singer was accused of child molestation in the 1990s, said in a statement. "Michael has been on an impossibly difficult and often self-destructive journey for years. His talent was unquestionable but so too was his discomfort with the norms of the world. A human simply can not withstand this level of prolonged stress."

Mr. Jackson was planning to appear in a sold-out series of concerts in London next month that would have run until March. Promoters of the concerts had recently said that the singer had passed a physical examination to assuage any doubts he was ready for a comeback.

But what sort of comeback? It seemed increasingly futile. Michael Jackson's many observers (a media cottage industry all its own) generally regard a 2003 television interview he gave as the beginning of his end. In that interview, with British journalist Martin Bashir, Mr. Jackson appeared holding hands with a young boy who had cancer. Something seemed weird. Something always seemed weird.

That particular weirdness eventually led Mr. Jackson back to court in the spring of 2005, after the boy accused the pop star of molesting him. Mr. Jackson's fragility was never more pronounced than in that Santa Maria courthouse. Here at last was the daily, up-close look at a withered man in a mirror, under the courtroom's fluorescent lights. He was always polite, and always sad. Mr. Jackson was acquitted and spent the rest of his days on the move, on jets and in hotels, dodging bankruptcy proceedings, as if he were on the run from not only what he was, but what the world made him.

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u know ,dis is a case of not wanting to acknowledge his impact so u write a piece dat pays lipservice to his phenom status wid juss enuff sour fi mek it a grudging article...

mek dem gwane....u can surf di whole web an see dat MJ has taken ovah...even lass nite mi hear pon di radio seh di chat re his death swarm twitter etc....some websites like Huffington report is juss wall to wall Jackson news wid tributes from his friends like Deepak etc...yeah man...

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