prolific poster ting

[Ja. Jewel]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R00TS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii natt dat accamadatinn roots butt mii might ave mekk wan xxxceptshan fii yu iff yu wass natt married. yu knoo da blakk upgrade wood change yu feelinn tooward mr roots </div></div>
dis mek mi laff </div></div>

DAT made mi laff!!

[julie*mango]

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this is great...all this open dialogue....just what we need...a kumbaya moment....

[Marilyn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _______</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is great...all this open dialogue....just what we need...a kumbaya moment.... </div></div>

I was thinking as discussion go on here, this one is very civil

[neutral]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In retrospect, I wonder why the government of Jamaica, starting back in the 70's didn't place a restriction on how many all inclusive resorts could be built on the island. Say for instance that for every ten new hotels or resorts constructed only (perhaps two) could be set up as an all inclusive facility (use a lottery system to choose who gets to build an AI resort). At least this would have forced the creation of more resorts where guest would have to go and venture out to small locally owned restaurants, nightclubs, and shopping stalls to spend their money. I wonder how that would have affected tourism over the years? </div></div>

One of my pet peeves with regards to tourism in jamaica is the all inclusives,I think ordinary jamaicans have a right to enjoy a bigger slice of the tourist pie instead of just picking up the crumbs that falls off the plate.

tourists to jamaica seems to be guarded against the local population,almost as if there is a concerted effort to keep the two apart,...and only the major players benefit from any revenue.

[neutral]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lol ! so what you saying marilyn,..that you threw some words and the TRUTH seems to have hit the TARGET...?

No one can call you a tourist anymore marilyn,..you spend more times out there and spend far more money out there than most jamaicans.

I have lots of family who work in tourism and depend on it for their living,....I`m sure they would be interested to know who would put food on their tables or send their kids to school if tourism to jamaica was stopped....they would want to know if the people doing the talking is going to feed them or are they just prepared to talk nonsense from behind their computer screen. </div></div>

mlk sey dat de hottest plce inn hell iss reserved fii dose dat remain nuetral

tapp yu foolishness goo check remittances too ja ann yu will see woo reallee put more money inn jamaicans packets. tekk out returninn jamaicans out aff da tourists figures ann yu start fii reallee see y da tourists figgar doan tell da whoole toree. eediat peeps luv fii gawn like moas tourists dollars end upp inn jamaica packet cah dem doan waan fii look woo own manee aff dem tourist bizz ann inn woo farreen oyinbo packets a reallee gitt lined

ja need fii diversifii de economy away fram tourism fii upplift more jamaicans

soo yu seyinn dat yu ave a latt aff familee wey affii bow fii tourist dollars . y dat doan surprise mi? mii wandar iff dem wukk inn da hotel bizz cah dem iss da moas bowinn peeps

mii wandar iff dem bowinn jamaicans inn da hotel hospitaliteee bizz bow to blakk peeps like dem doo too mzungu </div></div>

Diss mek mi laff ...lol !

[Ja. Jewel]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In retrospect, I wonder why the government of Jamaica, starting back in the 70's didn't place a restriction on how many all inclusive resorts could be built on the island. Say for instance that for every ten new hotels or resorts constructed only (perhaps two) could be set up as an all inclusive facility (use a lottery system to choose who gets to build an AI resort). At least this would have forced the creation of more resorts where guest would have to go and venture out to small locally owned restaurants, nightclubs, and shopping stalls to spend their money. I wonder how that would have affected tourism over the years? </div></div>

One of my pet peeves with regards to tourism in jamaica is the all inclusives,I think ordinary jamaicans have a right to enjoy a bigger slice of the tourist pie instead of just picking up the crumbs that falls off the plate.

tourists to jamaica seems to be guarded against the local population,almost as if there is a concerted effort to keep the two apart,...and only the major players benefit from any revenue.
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The media has a HUGE part in the misinformation that is circulating about the safety of tourists going to Jamaica. This is a HUGE benefit to the AI's.....put the pieces togedda!

[neutral]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

tourist sector aff da ecanamee iss bigg bizz inn manee develop countrees too. check europe. wear yu cummin fram y yu beeleeve dat manee peeps wey affii bow ungrateful tourists ave job satisfaction? iss everee ting okay maam cah yu onlee tipp mii wan yankee dollar </div></div>

It is nat the furst, sekand nar turd time. err third time that this topic has come up, and I told miself nat to even boddah to comment, but as Jamaican who has seen the deterioration the North Coast, I am tempted to say this.

Everyone has made valid points, including tourism playing a big part in the Jamaican economy, but I am a migrated Jamaican who will always be quick to say, that &quot;one should not have to sell his or her soul for the &quot;looks&quot; of a tourist dollar.&quot;


Having said that, yes,<span style="font-size: 20pt"> tourism plays a major role in the economy of MOST nations,</span> including developed ones...however, some of what is going on on the North Coast in Jamaica is not what goes on in say, London nor New York City, for example.

In certain parts of Jamaica, &quot;tourism goes hand in hand with the sex trade&quot;...ie gigolo-ism and prostitution...this is what is irking/killing/annoying some of us Jamaicans.<span style="font-weight: bold"> Dirty old men who want to hook up with a teenage daawtah, and old women who are robbing the cradle for our youths</span> just to satisfy their desires....all in the name of a dollar? Survival? How would YOU...the proverbial *YOU* like to know that your young uns are encouraged to do things like this? Why perpetuate this...and this is for not the boardies here, but for those on the net who might resd this... Dis is wrang, wrang, wrang..


the word goes out, somehow, and Jamaica is now perceived as the new Sodom and Gomorrah...and this is way before some aoonoh staawt go tuh Jamaica, mi a talk bout fram before 70's when oonoh had to wear jacket and tie and gloves to board the planes....it started around then, but now the word is out thanks to the internet, etc.. I had co-workers who would sell their clothes just to stay in Ja for the big bamboo..

these are tales recounted to me by white professionals...and it made and still makes me go hmmm...fancy that.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Now we have a new monster to deal with....and this is why, some of the old timers say they will NOT go back to Jamaica, for it is NOT the Jamaica that they knew and used to visit.</span>

I remember when tourism was tourism in Jamaica...people came,. spent time, spent money and leff an goh back a dem yaawd...<span style="font-weight: bold">now ppl noh waan fi go back 'ome and some even haff di audacity to want to compete with Jamaicans for the scarce jobs that are available, juss to stay there</span>...some of them even want to live in tatoos [yes tatoo] and board houses and spwile the landscape, juss tuh be near the weed and what else that &quot;their use&quot; now has introduced into Jamaica as well...<span style="font-weight: bold">mi hear seh some a even squat now on other people's land...</span>so all this would make any well thinking Jamaican staawt to question the benefits and value of &quot;tourism&quot; when in the final analysis, our ppl are bowing and scraping for pennies while the conglomerates take whatever profit there is to be made and the people in the end get shafted AGEN !!...a double whammy!!


so this is the down side...Duh, come enjoy our land, sea and sun, and our warmth and hospitality, but duh...go back a oono yaawd when oono dun....don't overstay your welcome.

..and dere is much much more that could be said...much more. </div></div>

I agree with most of your analysis (as usual)..Lol....and to think me and you didnt see eye to eye years gone by.

Anyway,...I have to disagree with some of your points,mainly that some of what goes on wouldnt happen in some develop countries,...tourism has always has an underbelly,it`s just one of those things that is never discussed,we know it happens and usually turn a blind eye and accept it as part and parcel of what happens when people go abroad.

It does happen in london,and other european countries,but because it is usually contained and regulated it is not really a problem for anyone.
The prostitution and gigoloism in jamaica is a two edged sword,..it really boils down to who is exploiting who,and I feel that even if jamaica was a wealthy country that would still happen,albeit on a more sophisticated level.
jamaica,like most other places has indeed changed,and as much as us old timers reminisce about the old ways and imagine a jamaica where touristts gentle stroll along the promenade and throw coins in the water for local youths to dive for and emerge with smiling faces,it simply isnt like that anymore,and never will.
I think there will always be dirty old men and sexually frustrated old women hoping for a taste of the exotic,but at the same time I cant help wondering if the image of the &quot;big bamboo&quot; wasnt created by jamaicans to entice lonely tourists,mainly the kind of women who wouldnt usually get a second glance from the opposite sex in their own country.

[britisha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


I agree with most of your analysis (as usual)..Lol....and to think me and you didnt see eye to eye years gone by.</div></div>

LOL !! <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Anyway,...I have to disagree with some of your points,mainly that some of what goes on wouldnt happen in some develop countries,...tourism has always has an underbelly,it`s just one of those things that is never discussed,we know it happens and usually turn a blind eye and accept it as part and parcel of what happens when people go abroad.

It does happen in london,and other european countries,but because it is usually contained and regulated it is not really a problem for anyone.
The prostitution and gigoloism in jamaica is a two edged sword,..it really boils down to who is exploiting who,and I feel that even if jamaica was a wealthy country that would still happen,albeit on a more sophisticated level.
jamaica,like most other places has indeed changed,and as much as us old timers reminisce about the old ways and imagine a jamaica where touristts gentle stroll along the promenade and throw coins in the water for local youths to dive for and emerge with smiling faces,it simply isnt like that anymore,and never will.
I think there will always be dirty old men and sexually frustrated old women hoping for a taste of the exotic,but at the same time I cant help wondering if the image of the &quot;big bamboo&quot; wasnt created by jamaicans to entice lonely tourists, <span style="font-weight: bold">mainly the kind of women who wouldnt usually get a second glance from the opposite sex in their own country. </span></div></div>

bout di last line here..

Yes Neutral, we have to stay in disagreement about the sexual EXPLOITATION of our <span style="font-weight: bold">young and innocent youths</span> and maintain the position that it does not and would not go on in developed nations...ironically it is even happening in Cuba which is supposed to be so strict and well-governed.

I'm here humming the &quot;Big Big bamboo, bamboo...Oh la-la-la-la-la-laaah...&quot; I don't think that song originated in Jamaica, but oono gots dah drift....the thing is Neutral, things like this appeal to ONLY SOME TOURISTS...freaky tourists who wouldn't even get the time of day in their own country...and it seems as if they are in the majority now.


Now Jamaica is a haven for them, where they can go and get the sensimilia, and a good lay uninhibited and unchecked because they are tourists and enjoy a certain amount of immunity, as compared to the local folks whose likkle arses would be thrown in jail for the same offense[s]....then they will even have the nerve to actually believe that they are helping the Jamaican economy by throwing a few nickels to the exploited. <span style="font-weight: bold">

[So correctly, in a way, we tolerate that disparity as welll]

If you love a place and love it's people why would you want to sexually exploit them? Where's the love? The fact that you negotiate some deal with them doesn't exempt it from being categorized for what it IS...exploitation in the true sense of the word</span>...

The current Gay stories about Jamaicans being homophobic etc have arisen out of the fact that <span style="font-weight: bold">some wantonness</span> will not be accommodated, and I do have to bring this up because for the life of me, I cannot understand how people could go to other people's countries and think they can behave as vulgar as when they are at home, and people must tolerate because they bring the Almighty Dollar...so it must be worshiped regardless of at what cost.....and I have seen a lot, even on my last trip on the JUTA transportation...and the sad thing is, some of this behaviour is being emulated, and peeps thinking it is okay and cool.

...and before anyone gets up in arms...being gay is NOT an issue, it is how some of them behave, that is the issue, just like in their country of origin...nothing to do with sexual preference..

I could write a book.

The real question is, what is the Jamaican government doing to provide meaningful jobs other than &quot;the tourist industry&quot; which one day WILL DRY UP?..nothing lasts forever.

We are feeling the aftershocks of the crumbling global economy, then what?

[britisha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

One of my pet peeves with regards to tourism in jamaica is the all inclusives,I think ordinary jamaicans have a right to enjoy a bigger slice of the tourist pie instead of just picking up the crumbs that falls off the plate.

tourists to jamaica seems to be guarded against the local population,almost as if there is a concerted effort to keep the two apart,...and only the major players benefit from any revenue.
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Excellent point Neutral.

There must be a way for the Jamaican government to make these AI's more accountable. How much are they giving back to the economy [other than taxes, that is iffff] and the people in terms of of finances and things like scholarships and serious &quot;community development&quot; etc etc.


Such a <span style="font-weight: bold">poorer</span> country but still with tons of economic and other benefits to reap by the nyams and go-whey dem...I'm here worried that we might have sold our souls to the devil, we are getting shafted in every way, while we are just grinning and bearing it.

[Marilyn]

Re: prolific poster ting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In retrospect, I wonder why the government of Jamaica, starting back in the 70's didn't place a restriction on how many all inclusive resorts could be built on the island. Say for instance that for every ten new hotels or resorts constructed only (perhaps two) could be set up as an all inclusive facility (use a lottery system to choose who gets to build an AI resort). At least this would have forced the creation of more resorts where guest would have to go and venture out to small locally owned restaurants, nightclubs, and shopping stalls to spend their money. I wonder how that would have affected tourism over the years? </div></div>

One of my pet peeves with regards to tourism in jamaica is the all inclusives,I think ordinary jamaicans have a right to enjoy a bigger slice of the tourist pie instead of just picking up the crumbs that falls off the plate.

tourists to jamaica seems to be guarded against the local population,almost as if there is a concerted effort to keep the two apart,...and only the major players benefit from any revenue.
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Yeah what he said