NWA pilots FALL ASLEEP on way to Mpls and fly over my yard

[Nanook]

I guess I should just be happy they didn't accidentally land in my field?


Northwest Airlines Pilots Miss Airport by 150 Miles
For More Than an Hour, Air Traffic Controllers Didn't Hear From the Cockpit

By SCOTT MAYEROWITZ
Oct. 22, 2009

Two pilots of a Northwest Airlines flight Wednesday were apparently so distracted that they missed their airport and kept flying for 150 miles before landing the plane and its 147 passengers safely.

Northwest Airlines flight passed Minneapolis by 150 miles before turning around.

For one hour and 18 minutes, the pilots -- flying at 37,000 feet above sea level -- were radio silent as air traffic controllers at times tried to reach the cockpit, according to a news release from the National Transportation Safety Board.

As the event unfolded, concern was high among air traffic controllers, who repeatedly attempted to establish contact during the incident using multiple methods, the air traffic controllers union told ABC News. Eventually, controllers asked other planes in the air to attempt to contact the Northwest plane, a method that the union said ultimately proved successful.

The pilots of the Airbus A320 told the FBI and airport police that they were in a heated discussion over airline policy and they lost awareness of the situation, the Federal Aviation Administration said.
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yeah right....they were sleeping on the job. I'd be [censored].

yahso

[Marilyn]

Re: NWA pilots FALL ASLEEP on way to Mpls and fly over my yard

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess I should just be happy they didn't accidentally land in my field?


Northwest Airlines Pilots Miss Airport by 150 Miles
For More Than an Hour, Air Traffic Controllers Didn't Hear From the Cockpit

By SCOTT MAYEROWITZ
Oct. 22, 2009

Two pilots of a Northwest Airlines flight Wednesday were apparently so distracted that they missed their airport and kept flying for 150 miles before landing the plane and its 147 passengers safely.

Northwest Airlines flight passed Minneapolis by 150 miles before turning around.

For one hour and 18 minutes, the pilots -- flying at 37,000 feet above sea level -- were radio silent as air traffic controllers at times tried to reach the cockpit, according to a news release from the National Transportation Safety Board.

As the event unfolded, concern was high among air traffic controllers, who repeatedly attempted to establish contact during the incident using multiple methods, the air traffic controllers union told ABC News. Eventually, controllers asked other planes in the air to attempt to contact the Northwest plane, a method that the union said ultimately proved successful.

The pilots of the Airbus A320 told the FBI and airport police that they were in a heated discussion over airline policy and they lost awareness of the situation, the Federal Aviation Administration said.
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yeah right....they were sleeping on the job. I'd be [censored].

yahso </div></div>

They have pulled the flight voice reocrders. They probably will NOT hear a heated argument, but snoring. The fines levied against NW will be horrendous. Planes had to be divereted around the flight, Even the flight attendents heads may roll on this one.

If they are fired...their pensions go poof. this one is not going to be pretty

[britisha]

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The news here said that it is the rflight attendants who finally managed to communicate with the cockpit and alert them to the problem.

This is very scary, now my ACQUIRED FEAR of flying has become more acute [agen]...[mi used to fly all evry month, now mi fraid fi planes]

Tank Gaawd dem finally land safely...methinks dem fell asleep.

[Marilyn]

Re: NWA pilots FALL ASLEEP on way to Mpls and fly over my yard

I heard it was the flight attendents who got their attention too, but a news story said it was one of the many pilots in the area that they radioed who finally established contact, but what ever the case, someone finally woke them up

Seriously though, I truly will hate to see someone loose a pension they had depended on for a lifetime and all over one bad bad mistake.

I can bet the farm that ONE of them was supposed to stay awake and let the other one catch some Z'zzzzzzzzzz

Thhe toxicology report showed no drugs or alcohol by the way, at least that is a relief. They won't have to leave in TOTAL disgrace.

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[britisha]

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They might even lose their license if there is grounds for that...I also hope they don't lose their pension...it was a very long time no one heard from them...what could they possibly hav bin doing? ::han pan mi jaw::

[Marilyn]

Re: NWA pilots FALL ASLEEP on way to Mpls and fly over my yard

I'm mighty afraid they were both sleep. I can't think of another explanation for it. Yes I did also hear they could loose their license. I bet the one is mad at the other one who was SUPPOSED to stay awake and watch the store.

[Nanook]

Re: NWA pilots FALL ASLEEP on way to Mpls and fly over my yard

This scares the hell out of me. They didn't actually fly over my yard but they were very close and I live nowhere near Mpls!

They called out the local fighter jets thinking it could be a hijacking! Can you imagine seeing THAT out your plane window? The jets were called out but I don't think they flew to the plane once it was established though a series of maneuvers that this wasn't a hijacking.

Another strike against NORTHWORST airlines!



I care not if they lose their pensions...almost 150 peoples lives were at stake and I for one don't think they deserve to ever fly again, or get a pension!

[applepie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">



I care not if they lose their pensions...almost 150 peoples lives were at stake and I for one don't think they deserve to ever fly again, or get a pension!

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ditto

[Jazz]

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- suppose de plane did run outta gas!!!

no sah they deserve to be let go and stripped of them pilot license.

[Dr.Dudd]

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This is all a part of underpaying workers that force them to have 2 and 3 jobs.
So they fall asleep and put the lives of passengers at risk. Part of the Reaganomics policy in practice.

This part is referred to as increase in productivity of the dollars. You spend less and earn more.
They realize that the average American does not have the ability to trace the cause and will blame the worker.

So they keep doing it , buy claiming that unions are bad for the country,.
But the billionaire criminals or wall Street that make money by betting that companies will fail and then go out and spread negative news about it.
So it fails and then make a killing doing so.
They are the good guys, because they again know that the American people can't trace the problems to them.
they will blame poor people who they fool into buying what they can;'t afford.
Then as usual everybody is coming down hard on the victims. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> - suppose de plane did run outta gas!!!

no sah they deserve to be let go and stripped of them pilot license. </div></div>

[Marilyn]

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I truly do understand what you all are saying, please don't think I am endorsing what they did, I just hate to see people make mistakes like this that will cost them so dearly in life. We are all capable of mistakes.

[Marilyn]

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I can just about guarantee you that one of the two of them was SUPPOSED to stay awake and watch the cock pit.

[Dr.Dudd]

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It is a short run flight, that requires both to be alert, but sleep take over when you are very tired in a split second.
When i was a youth, pilots use to have logs like truckers do.

And you have to present your log and flight recorded in it.

The problem is that they can find other jobs to make up for the shortfall in their pay.
So there is no way to guarantee that they are rested before a flight.
They only solution is to pay people living wage so that they don;t have to have 2 and 3 jobs to pay off their student loans before they can make a living.
or to support their kids in school, college or whatever responsibility responsible people have.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can just about guarantee you that one of the two of them was SUPPOSED to stay awake and watch the cock pit. </div></div>

[Marilyn]

Re: NWA pilots FALL ASLEEP on way to Mpls and fly over my yard

OK The co-pilot is speaking from his doorstep on CNN (bad idea). He says no one was sleep and there was no heated argument....the plot thickens.

[halfwaytree]

Re: NWA pilots FALL ASLEEP on way to Mpls and fly over my yard

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a short run flight, that requires both to be alert, but sleep take over when you are very tired in a split second.
When i was a youth, pilots use to have logs like truckers do.

And you have to present your log and flight recorded in it.

The problem is that they can find other jobs to make up for the shortfall in their pay.
So there is no way to guarantee that they are rested before a flight.
They only solution is to pay people living wage so that they don;t have to have 2 and 3 jobs to pay off their student loans before they can make a living.
or to support their kids in school, college or whatever responsibility responsible people have.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can just about guarantee you that one of the two of them was SUPPOSED to stay awake and watch the cock pit. </div></div> </div></div>

Good point!

Easy to blame the pilots, but are they being forced to work multiple jobs just to survive?