why r oprah & tyler perry biggin up this film- precious

[Boopie2]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there was more than one scene like that boops

<span style="font-weight: bold">i don't have any issues with the dialogue regarding white people/lightskin/good hair in the movie..because to me that is a part of our reality and a young girl in precious' shoes would very likely feel that way</span>..

but the casting is whacky..




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but that's the whole irony to me...precious sees light skin as better- more valuable (and it never gets alluded to as to why so many blacks feel this way);
so by making the best characters light-skinned- in my opinion- the director seems to validate the concept that the lighter people of the black race are indeed better/more valuable...

the problem i have with movies like precious &amp; good hair is that they repeat the negative tendencies, but do not challenge them or offer an alternative ending to that old vicious cycle of self-hate;

i respect their right to make movies as they see fit but i reserve the right to criticize it from my perspective;
lee daniels the director is also the director of &quot;monster's ball&quot;- a movie i found atrocious...

to me it's all very ironic...this film is being lauded by the mainstream as a great inspiring film...
inspiring to who?
definitely not me...i definitely hope the next generation of black filmmakers will at least attempt some bigger stories;

how about an updated &quot;ten commandments&quot;...
if charlton heston and yul brunner could run around playing africans (ancient egyptians) then why can't actual africans do it?
i'm hoping they will see past this eternal ghetto sob story or vulgar romantic comedies or buffonery or hip-hop thuggery the only stories we are limited to telling in hollyweird motion pictures...

time to step up the game

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Even after all that I have posted you still going on and on. Just goes to show you haven't read a freaking thing.

[jah_yout]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?



i'm discussing the movie, not the book...

mi nuh waan read dem eedyat book deh

[Boopie2]

Re: why r oprah &amp; tyler perry biggin up this film- precious

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">can't speak for Tyler..but perhaps Oprah felt a connection with the character..having survived incest and having gone through teenage pregnancy herself?

the young girls yearning to be light skinned and to have a light skinned boyfriend is realistic and understandable

what i can't figure out is whether the casting of light skinned actors in the &quot;saviour&quot; roles was tongue in cheek..it is really strange that <span style="font-style: italic">all </span>those roles were played by light skinned actors


as for the things that happenned to Precious..its definitely not unique to the black experience..


only movie I've seen this year in the theatre and I thought it was pretty good... </div></div>



Tyler Perry Opens Up About Childhood Abuse

LOS ANGELES, Calif. --
Tyler Perry is one of the big names behind the new film about abuse and incest, “Precious,” and in a blog on his personal Web page, the “Madea” star revealed there are some very personal reasons he got behind the film.

Perry, who wrote the blog post less than a month after his 40th birthday, which occurred on Sept. 13, said watching the film brought back not only memories of pain, but also a deep appreciation for having survived an abusive childhood.

“I watched [Precious’] mother be unusually cruel to her and I realized at that moment that a large part of my childhood had just played out before my eyes,” Perry wrote of the film he signed on to Executive Produce with Oprah Winfrey, the proceeds of which are going to various charities. “It hit me so hard, I sat there in tears realizing that somehow, by the grace of God, I made it through. My tears were tears of joy, being thankful that I made it.”

In his open and extremely revealing letter, Perry recounted details of his alleged abuse at the hands of his father, his paternal grandmother and alleged sexual abuse at the hands of neighbors. And he also explained how he was able to survive.

“I was asked recently how I made it through all of this… and my answer to that is…I know for a fact that there is a GOD,” he wrote. “When my father would say or do those things to me, I would hear this voice inside of me say, ‘That’s not true’ or, ‘Don’t believe that.’”

Perry explained he came out on the other side of abuse by learning how to forgive.

“To know that the little boy that I was went through all that — he went through and made it. Then me, as a man…I have to take on the responsibility of forgiving all of those people. I owe it to that little boy that I was and, more than that, I owe it to the man that I am,” he wrote.

[Boopie2]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

i'm discussing the movie, not the book...

mi nuh waan read dem eedyat book deh </div></div>

The movie is based on the book or did you not know that. It's the author's baby not Daniels.

[Boopie2]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ohliz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
She is a good character. </div></div>

Thanks. So there is a dark skinned actress among the &quot;good&quot; characters...that is what I wanted to know.

I may see it...I see one movie every 3 years or so, just never have time/money/whatever to get to a theater these days.

More likely I'll read the book. </div></div>

Read the book.

[Boopie2]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

i'm discussing the movie, not the book...

mi nuh waan read dem eedyat book deh </div></div>

You still didn't name any great Jamaican movies as of yet.

[jah_yout]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

i'm discussing the movie, not the book...

mi nuh waan read dem eedyat book deh </div></div>

The movie is based on the book or did you not know that. It's the author's baby not Daniels. </div></div>
you read the book of every movie that has one?
i don't have the time so i'm just dealing with the film...
mi seh mi naah read it

irresistable force meets immovable object

[jah_yout]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

i'm discussing the movie, not the book...

mi nuh waan read dem eedyat book deh </div></div>

You still didn't name any great Jamaican movies as of yet. </div></div>


-the harder they come
-heartland reggae
-rockers

[Boopie2]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">que? there are shots of the man hovering over her..humping her..the very epitome of bestiality

yu feget the scene you seem raping her and the mother is in the doorway watching? </div></div>

Ah yeah, Was that when she started looking up at the crack in the ceiling trying to escape? One of my girlfriend's was sniffling ( she was molested when she was young) I might have been trying to help her.

[tsophra]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

[quote] but that's the whole irony to me...precious sees light skin as better- more valuable (and it never gets alluded to as to why so many blacks feel this way);
so by making the best characters light-skinned- in my opinion- the director seems to validate the concept that the lighter people of the black race are indeed better/more valuable...
/quote]

because in spite of all evidence to the contrary I keep expecting people to knoe better than to actually believe that bs

but seriously..it was not that kind of movie..this was more a the way things are movie as apposed to why they're that way..I can accept it as such..

[Boopie2]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

i'm discussing the movie, not the book...

mi nuh waan read dem eedyat book deh </div></div>

You still didn't name any great Jamaican movies as of yet. </div></div>


-the harder they come
-heartland reggae
-rockers </div></div>

So in these movies you have named I guess everybody is the same color, no light skinned actors and actresses.

[jah_yout]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?



no- everyone has a uniform tint

[Boopie2]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> [quote] but that's the whole irony to me...precious sees light skin as better- more valuable (and it never gets alluded to as to why so many blacks feel this way);
so by making the best characters light-skinned- in my opinion- the director seems to validate the concept that the lighter people of the black race are indeed better/more valuable...
/quote]

because in spite of all evidence to the contrary I keep expecting people to knoe better than to actually believe that bs </div></div>


The story is true despite being a work of fiction. She deals with ignorance, colorism, black self-hate, the complexities of embracing pride in blackness as presented by Louis Farrakhan which gives rise to beliefs like &quot;crack is not the problem but crackers,&quot; the bigotry we nurture to feel superior to others like gays, the isolation of illiteracy and poverty, tricks of the welfare trade and trade in welfare system trickery, mirrors of sexual orientation, and definitions of manhood. You read about this girl fighting to learn to read, her insane mother, depraved father, the caring teacher Ms. Rain, illiterate students, and incest survivors, and if you've been some of the places I've been, you admit these people are real.

Her mother is abusing her sexually and verbally day in and day out, wouldn't it make sense to try to escape what you really are?

And there's Precious's wishing she were white and thin, her fear that she may be like her mother--stuck, dumb, and ugly--her questions to the universe asking why couldn't she have had &quot;normal&quot; parents, a father that didn't rape her and make her HIV positive, and her heartbreaking talk that reveals to us no one has ever loved this child to a place where she can believe she is her name until she meets a teacher who cares, and this doesn't happen until age 16, almost grown

Does she not have to re think some of these things when she attends the alternative school and for the first time makes friends with the very ones she thought she had issues with?

[tsophra]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there was more than one scene like that boops

<span style="font-weight: bold">i don't have any issues with the dialogue regarding white people/lightskin/good hair in the movie..because to me that is a part of our reality and a young girl in precious' shoes would very likely feel that way</span>..

but the casting is whacky..

</div></div>

but that's the whole irony to me...precious sees light skin as better- more valuable (and it never gets alluded to as to why so many blacks feel this way);
so by making the best characters light-skinned- in my opinion- the director seems to validate the concept that the lighter people of the black race are indeed better/more valuable...

the problem i have with movies like precious &amp; good hair is that they repeat the negative tendencies, but do not challenge them or offer an alternative ending to that old vicious cycle of self-hate;

i respect their right to make movies as they see fit but i reserve the right to criticize it from my perspective;
lee daniels the director is also the director of &quot;monster's ball&quot;- a movie i found atrocious...

to me it's all very ironic...this film is being lauded by the mainstream as a great inspiring film...
inspiring to who?
definitely not me...i definitely hope the next generation of black filmmakers will at least attempt some bigger stories;

how about an updated &quot;ten commandments&quot;...
if charlton heston and yul brunner could run around playing africans (ancient egyptians) then why can't actual africans do it?
i'm hoping they will see past this eternal ghetto sob story or vulgar romantic comedies or buffonery or hip-hop thuggery the only stories we are limited to telling in hollyweird motion pictures...

time to step up the game

</div></div>

the inspiring part obviously is precious' spirit..even when she was down she was not out..

sort of like Oprah..i'm not a fan but her story is inspiring..to overcome all she went through and to be any kind of success is mind boggling

[Boopie2]

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

no- everyone has a uniform tint </div></div>