Arizona and it's new racist immigration "laws"

[Amberal37]

Re: Arizona Ethnic Studies Classes Banned, Teachers With Acc

Like other poster said, you are classing LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration as one and the same. They are not.

Many countries get to a point that they need additional labour or can support others - such as refugees - so allow a comfortable number legally - Dubai did it, America does it, Britain did it...

Someone else also answered - POLICIES. That is what governments do (good ones anyhow). Policy of welfare, some countries have prescribed voluntary work experience with a public body, prescribing wage or worker entitlements, raising the profile of the industry, etc.etc.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: karigeni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, the point about cheaper labour is slightly self-defeating, as the labour that is being hired out means that those on the lower ebbs /unskilled labour - are less likely to find work (I've also seen many complaints here previously about the types of jobs that lesser skilled African-Americans (as well as other unskilled) could do, but not given the chance).</div></div>

Migrant workers from Central America, Jamaica and other Caribbean islands are toiling on farms all over North America as we speak.

Would you care to hazard a guess as to how this came to be ? Also, do you see this as a bad thing ? If not, why not ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: karigeni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The availability of work means that the government can puts policies to make sure that the incumbent citizens take that work. Less social costs (Crime, social security payments &gt;taxes).</div></div>

I'm interested in finding out how the government of the United States would &quot;make sure&quot; that its citizens work at menial labor. </div></div>

[rudemonk]

Re: Arizona Ethnic Studies Classes Banned, Teachers With Acc

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: karigeni</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Considering the awareness of social costs should Mexico protect itself against US citizen's illegal drug use which demand for is ravaging their country? </div></div>

I should take this as a rhetorical question.
Moreover, it bears little - if any relation to the issue being discussed.
You don't need illegal citizens to 'export' drugs, and the Mexican Gov has a duty to it's own citizens to facilitate legitimate industries for their citizens - here you could say that the immigration problem robs mexico of its talent?
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it's not in the least rhetorical. mexico is being devoured by drug wars and crime waves, because of a demand that exists for those drugs here in the US.

part of the reason why there is a labor dump is due to the decimation of the mexican corn industry as well.

the analogy is readily apparent between the US war on drugs and illegal immigration because the framers of the arguments against all the illegals have brought it out, in addition.

but i do realize these arguments are mostly effective when they are dissected into their component aspects and not seen as a whole, which is why I posted the NPR piece.

strangely, I don't see many americans concerned with what our own policies are doing abroad, which are in part the very generating force whose results they are vociferously complaining about...which makes us either blissfully hypocritical or cynically.

[britisha]

Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: karigeni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like other poster said, you are classing LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration as one and the same. They are not.

Many countries get to a point that they need additional labour or can support others - such as refugees - so allow a comfortable number legally - Dubai did it, America does it, Britain did it...

Someone else also answered - POLICIES. That is what governments do (good ones anyhow). Policy of welfare, some countries have prescribed voluntary work experience with a public body, prescribing wage or worker entitlements, raising the profile of the industry, etc.etc.

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....and what is YOUR point?

[R_C]

Re: Arizona Ethnic Studies Classes Banned, Teachers With Acc

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: karigeni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like other poster said, you are classing LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration as one and the same. They are not.</div></div>

Not at all. This is a red herring and you are missing the point. Those who are employed in the farm worker programs are not immigrants.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: karigeni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Many countries get to a point that they need additional labour or can support others - such as refugees - so allow a comfortable number legally - Dubai did it, America does it, Britain did it...</div></div>

Now that you are willing to admit that there is a need for &quot;additional labour&quot;, and presumably you are also, by extension, also willing to admit that this is a good thing for the economy, what would be the objection to regularizing the status of individuals who cross the border to work rather than criminalizing or, as one poster suggested &quot;vaporizing&quot; them with an electric fence ? The migrant farmer program is one example of how individuals from other countries can contribute to this economy, contribute to the economy of their home country, all without making them citizens, criminals or murdering them. Why this preoccupation with repressive police tactics and violence ?



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: karigeni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Someone else also answered - POLICIES. That is what governments do (good ones anyhow). Policy of welfare, some countries have prescribed voluntary work experience with a public body, prescribing wage or worker entitlements, raising the profile of the industry, etc.etc.</div></div>

The US Government already has many of these policies in place. Please point me to evidence that they have encouraged eligible persons to perform menial manual labor.

[britisha]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

Soh now E-coli outbreak linked to Arizona? NOOOOO!!!!

tbc

[Blackstar*]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

From 1989...
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