College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

[Marilyn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nunya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not really familiar with the American immigration system, so was just wondering...

Here, I know folk who've done the illegal bit, schooled themselves, and then applied from <span style="font-style: italic">within</span> Canada to be Permanent residents.

The caveat though, is that they'd identified fields that needed qualified practitioners and then went out that got the education for it.

I believe there's a fast track system for them and so it works out... even though they had to pay for the schooling themselves, pay more than the average student, and all the while earning less than the average Canadian because they were working under the table... </div></div>

This is true...in the above mentioned case though I notice she was allowed to stay here to complete the education she started. My question is if she were a &quot;lesser&quot; immigrant, someone not so engaged, would she be deported immdiately, and if the answer is yes, is this not a flaw or at the very least a double standard?

[Nunya]

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Well illegal immigrants have a stereotype: they live ten to two (ten people to a two bedroom), they drive seven to four (seven passengers to a four seater), they have no insurance, (and I guess now, no driver's licence), they are uncouth, vulgar, stupid and ambition less.

Cop/judge/immigration officer sees an illegal immigrant and s/he immediately starts the mental checklist.

In this case, I laud their move in allowing her to stay and finish her education. Deporting her now, to prove a point or to keep the playing field level, would be self-defeating. It would just, in my opinion, show extreme intolerance. Her getting an education shows that she very much cares about becoming a productive member of your country. Her education will allow her to contribute to your country's growth.

On the other hand, if the authorities were to come up on a one, who's here illegally, hustling, but doing nothing to better himself or his neighbourhood, then get rid of him. Just like she's made an effort to climb out of that state, he should too.

If he can't be bothered to make an effort, why should the authorities be bothered to give him stay?

[Marilyn]

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It's all a sticky issue, because non-productive now may not mean so for ever, because people can't predict the course of other's lives. It's like having to stand in judgement of others. As you stated though, I don't know enough about the laws and issues to comment further, I just know how the laws impacted my life and family and the course of decisions made by my child.

[Nunya]

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Yeah. I don't have the answers either. But I have seen cases where I just think - why are they still here??? They've done __ all and just give the rest of us Jamaicans/blacks a bad name.

Then I've seen cases of mothers especially, who've fled abusive or just totally stagnating conditions to come here, leaving their kids behind. They work for a pittance, having to keep their eyes down just in case... they put up with so much so that they can support their kids back home...

They can't go to school. No way in hell they can afford it. So if they got pulled over, would they be categorized as non-productive? Wearing on the system? Probably. Deportation? Most likely.

It's hard and heart-breaking.

[MarieK]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

how she git up every day and a drive widout license

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which is a crime

[Marilyn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Queen_of_d_A</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

how she git up every day and a drive widout license

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which is a crime </div></div>Agreed

[Yuriatin]

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Mawnin -

Just curious - I think you may have alluded to this in the past but, I just don't recall.

I'm assuming you're soninlaw was married to your US Citizen daughter ...

Why didn't he file to <span style="font-weight: bold">adjust his status</span> re being the husband of a legal us citizen?

Did he overstay his visa???


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting....upon graduation from a good university with a degree in sound production, my son in law to be went to work in the Atlanta area in his chosen field. He was given no extension after hte cutomary one year post grad. He was a productive citizen causing no problem in the US but was summarily shipped back to Japan.

You either are or you aren't , you either are legal or you are not. It hit close to home for me, I say, follow the rules or change the rules. I would have preferred for him to be able to stay here, but those were not the cards dealt... </div></div>

[Marilyn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mawnin -

Just curious - I think you may have alluded to this in the past but, I just don't recall.

I'm assuming you're soninlaw was married to your US Citizen daughter ...

Why didn't he file to <span style="font-weight: bold">adjust his status</span> re being the husband of a legal us citizen?

Did he overstay his visa???


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting....upon graduation from a good university with a degree in sound production, my son in law to be went to work in the Atlanta area in his chosen field. He was given no extension after hte cutomary one year post grad. He was a productive citizen causing no problem in the US but was summarily shipped back to Japan.

You either are or you aren't , you either are legal or you are not. It hit close to home for me, I say, follow the rules or change the rules. I would have preferred for him to be able to stay here, but those were not the cards dealt... </div></div> </div></div>
No they are not married yet, and she did not want to marry for &quot;political&quot; reasons, so they are planning their future now in Japan.

No he did not overstay his visa, they left to relocate to Japan a little before it was to expire. He left the country in good standing, hoping to return someday. They have also talked about London, who knows, I have an international child.

He has a squeeky clean record and personna, but basically he would have had to hire a very expensive immigration lawyer and go through a lot in order to stay, and immigration lawyers make it very clear to you that they cannot &quot;guarantee you anything&quot; in other words, money under the bridge.

So naturally when I see someone so productive have to leave, and people slipping across the border and staying it does bother me.

[MarieK]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nunya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah. I don't have the answers either. But I have seen cases where I just think - why are they still here??? They've done __ all and just give the rest of us Jamaicans/blacks a bad name.

Then I've seen cases of mothers especially, who've fled abusive or just totally stagnating conditions to come here, leaving their kids behind. They work for a pittance, having to keep their eyes down just in case... they put up with so much so that they can support their kids back home...

They can't go to school. No way in hell they can afford it. So if they got pulled over, would they be categorized as non-productive? Wearing on the system? Probably. Deportation? Most likely.

It's hard and heart-breaking. </div></div>

that is my issue with the whole thing Cobb and Gwinnett participate in a program which allows police to fast track deportation because of the high number of illegals in GA esp and insurance rates are going thru the roof due to accidents caused by illegals with no insurance (not necessarily saying I agree or disagree with the progress of this case, just trying to show you the side of the sherrif department)

then when she was arrested she presented an international license, tell me, how did she get that license if she is illegal and unable to travel back and forth - and legally , in the state of GA at least you HAVE to produce an international along with your home license which she cdn't produce.

The fact that she chose to enter school is great, excellent, but that doesn't negate the fact that she stayed illegally in the country.

Why is it because she is academically advanced over fellow mexicans shd she get a free pass.

Give me your tired and poor ... doesn't spcifically state unless they are able to advance academically.

To grant her a reprieve wd essentially mean discriminating against many other immigrants, and remember jamaicans are among that.

I know many ppl who are not college bound but are productive - to put this requirement as a path to citizenship wd be an injustice.

I don't think I am on eway or the other I'm just saying unless you are able to give everyone an across teh board reprieve then none should get it.

Keep your eyes focused on the issue she was pulled over illegally driving

[Marilyn]

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Why is it because she is academically advanced over fellow mexicans shd she get a free pass.

Give me your tired and poor ... doesn't spcifically state unless they are able to advance academically.

To grant her a reprieve wd essentially mean discriminating against many other immigrants, and remember jamaicans are among that.

[Yuriatin]

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<span style="font-style: italic">? so he's not you're soninlaw law then ? soninlaw to be, you're saying?
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He is aware then, that they CAN return and live, right?

He's aware that if and when they marry, they can return and live in the US if he wants?

Just my personal opinion that he didn't 'have' to leave - but as I said, that's just my personal opinion from my experience.

I personally know of couples in the exact same situation.

They all went down to city hall with a best friend, etc for witness and got married, filed and adjusted status.

They decided that they'd leave it at that and plan for an actual family wedding after they saved up etc.

But, I understand how that can be a personal choice.

[Marilyn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">? so he's not you're soninlaw law then ? soninlaw to be, you're saying?
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He is aware then, that they CAN return and live, right?

He's aware that if and when they marry, they can return and live in the US if he wants?

Just my personal opinion that he didn't 'have' to leave - but as I said, that's just my personal opinion from my experience.

I personally know of couples in the exact same situation.

They all went down to city hall with a best friend, etc for witness and got married, filed and adjusted status.

They decided that they'd leave it at that and plan for an actual family wedding after they saved up etc.

But, I understand how that can be a personal choice.

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Correct, they were just out of college and not READY to marry yet. Getting married for political asylum was not my daughter's dream

Yes, he knows that after they do marry they can come back if they like, but right now the world is theirs and they have no limitations, so it is no telling where these two will end up, or they just may move around the world in their lives and not stay any one place forever.

However, here are some FACTS,,,, after your year after college expires, so does your green card , your student visa paperwork,AND your temporary driver's license. My guy being a law abiding person, and having exhausted all means that a student without a lot of money had for LEGALLY staying here, did what the US govt. was requesting by having all of his legal papers expire, and quietly left and went home.

[Yuriatin]

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I'm aware of the <span style="font-weight: bold">facts</span> and when green cards and visas expire - thanks.

I think we have different definitions of <span style="font-style: italic">&quot;political asylum&quot;</span>.

You never mentioned that he needed political asylum - or are you just using the term loosely?

You confused the matter by stating that he was your <span style="font-weight: bold">SON IN LAW</span> - when if fact, he was not. That's a huge game changer.

If he was your son in law, options would have been available to him.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">? so he's not you're soninlaw law then ? soninlaw to be, you're saying?
</span>
He is aware then, that they CAN return and live, right?

He's aware that if and when they marry, they can return and live in the US if he wants?

Just my personal opinion that he didn't 'have' to leave - but as I said, that's just my personal opinion from my experience.

I personally know of couples in the exact same situation.

They all went down to city hall with a best friend, etc for witness and got married, filed and adjusted status.

They decided that they'd leave it at that and plan for an actual family wedding after they saved up etc.

But, I understand how that can be a personal choice.

</div></div>

Correct, they were just out of college and not READY to marry yet. Getting married for political asylum was not my daughter's dream

Yes, he knows that after they do marry they can come back if they like, but right now the world is theirs and they have no limitations, so it is no telling where these two will end up, or they just may move around the world in their lives and not stay any one place forever.

However, here are some FACTS,,,, after your year after college expires, so does your green card , your student visa paperwork,AND your temporary driver's license. My guy being a law abiding person, and having exhausted all means that a student without a lot of money had for LEGALLY staying here, did what the US govt. was requesting by having all of his legal papers expire, and quietly left and went home. </div></div>

[Marilyn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm aware of the <span style="font-weight: bold">facts</span> and when green cards and visas expire - thanks.

I think we have different definitions of <span style="font-style: italic">&quot;political asylum&quot;</span>.

You never mentioned that he needed political asylum - or are you just using the term loosely?

You confused the matter by stating that he was your <span style="font-weight: bold">SON IN LAW</span> - when if fact, he was not. That's a huge game changer.

If he was your son in law, options would have been available to him.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">? so he's not you're soninlaw law then ? soninlaw to be, you're saying?
</span>
He is aware then, that they CAN return and live, right?

He's aware that if and when they marry, they can return and live in the US if he wants?

Just my personal opinion that he didn't 'have' to leave - but as I said, that's just my personal opinion from my experience.

I personally know of couples in the exact same situation.

They all went down to city hall with a best friend, etc for witness and got married, filed and adjusted status.

They decided that they'd leave it at that and plan for an actual family wedding after they saved up etc.

But, I understand how that can be a personal choice.

</div></div>

Correct, they were just out of college and not READY to marry yet. Getting married for political asylum was not my daughter's dream

Yes, he knows that after they do marry they can come back if they like, but right now the world is theirs and they have no limitations, so it is no telling where these two will end up, or they just may move around the world in their lives and not stay any one place forever.

However, here are some FACTS,,,, after your year after college expires, so does your green card , your student visa paperwork,AND your temporary driver's license. My guy being a law abiding person, and having exhausted all means that a student without a lot of money had for LEGALLY staying here, did what the US govt. was requesting by having all of his legal papers expire, and quietly left and went home. </div></div> </div></div> <span style="font-size: 17pt">I fail to understand WHY a decent civil conversation on Jamaicans.com must turn contentious ALL OF THE DAMN TIME </span>


<span style="font-size: 14pt"> read THIS CopY PASted FROM MY ORIGINAL STATeMENT

my son in law <span style="color: #FF0000">to be </span>
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aND YES.. AM USING THE TERM &quot;Political Asylum&quot; loosley as in making a JOKE....My son in law TO BE has no need of political aslyum..... as in humor please note the use of ROFL afterwards... and with that I better bow out of this thread because when you start picking at things concerning my child I better go.

[MarieK]

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funny i never got a political asylum claim fr what u said i thought for political reasons for e.g. I'd rather not go to jamaica guh live right now for political reasons.

then again.....................

and i considred him your son in law since him deh wid yuh dawta but ok