College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

[ILP]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

aye sah.
oonu making this hard, fi wah.

the only papers wah need "to file" when a child is born abroad, to citizens of the US is the same papers they would file for the kid if they were born in regular hospital up di road. they file for SSN and birth certificate.

[Yuriatin]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

I'm not sure it's getting so hard.

I think there's just major disagreement as to - if a child is born here/usa, TO, an illegal immigrant - whether or not that child should be given US Citizenship.

ie - in the UK, it's <span style="font-weight: bold">not automatic</span> for that baby to be granted UK citizenship.

[ILP]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

yuri..in the USA they ARE. it nu matter whichawt dem parents come from. IF DEM DROP OUT PON USA SOIL (no matter weh di soil is) they are citizens of the USA.

[kia027]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILP_ULOOK_GR8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aye sah.
oonu making this hard, fi wah.

the only papers wah need &quot;to file&quot; when a child is born abroad, to citizens of the US is the same papers they would file for the kid if they were born in regular hospital up di road. they file for SSN and birth certificate. </div></div>

Not quite.. they have to file an N600

[kia027]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILP_ULOOK_GR8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yuri..in the USA they ARE. it nu matter whichawt dem parents come from. IF DEM DROP OUT PON USA SOIL (no matter weh di soil is) they are citizens of the USA. </div></div>

Yes we are cognizant of that fact. The conversation is now based on what I think the law should be, that citizenship not be automatically granted to children of non us citizens.. a segway from the original thread

[Yuriatin]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

Thank you Kia - <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">thank</span></span> you!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILP_ULOOK_GR8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yuri..in the USA they ARE. it nu matter whichawt dem parents come from. IF DEM DROP OUT PON USA SOIL (no matter weh di soil is) they are citizens of the USA. </div></div>

Yes we are cognizant of that fact. The conversation is now based on what I think the law should be, that citizenship not be automatically granted to children of non us citizens.. a segway from the original thread </div></div>

[sistacaf]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

yah EmGee, u know, i'm not even sure <span style="font-style: italic">what</span> i think any more. the founding fathers set up this country so all who came here - and <span style="font-style: italic">especially</span> if born here - would have refuge, freedom from persecution, fair treatment, civil rights, etc. Am not sayin that was actually TRUE in reality, (cause we know in modern times that 'fair treatment' &amp; 'civil rights' was a load of crap lyrics) - but that was at least the intended purpose of that Article of the Constitution; making anyone born here US citizens protected under those rights.

while i do think that is how it should be, at the same time so many people have abused that particular thing. Now it's become loads of ppl tryna sneak around the system JUST to have their offspring be a citizen. that's kinda abusing it. and that kinda thing deh not really possible to &quot;prove&quot; - but we know its hapnin.

so really am not sure what to think anymore

[ILP]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILP_ULOOK_GR8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aye sah.
oonu making this hard, fi wah.

the only papers wah need &quot;to file&quot; when a child is born abroad, to citizens of the US is the same papers they would file for the kid if they were born in regular hospital up di road. they file for SSN and birth certificate. </div></div>

Not quite.. they have to file an N600 </div></div>

interesting...dem chage it last year on mi earthday

[sistacaf]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think there's just major disagreement as to - if a child is born here/usa, TO, an illegal immigrant - whether or not that child should be given US Citizenship.</div></div>

there is no disagreement. just misunderstanding. as the law now stands, if you born here you a citizen. not 'given' or 'granted' citizenship - you ARE a citizen by birthright. and done.

no matter who, what, where your parents are from and/or what their immigration standing is.

the only point of discussion goin on now is who feel seh that Article of the Constitution should perhaps be amended, in light of modern times and what's goin on.

[ILP]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sistacaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yah EmGee, u know, i'm not even sure <span style="font-style: italic">what</span> i think any more. the founding fathers set up this country so all who came here - and <span style="font-style: italic">especially</span> if born here - would have refuge, freedom from persecution, fair treatment, civil rights, etc. Am not sayin that was actually TRUE in reality, (cause we know in modern times that 'fair treatment' &amp; 'civil rights' was a load of crap lyrics) - but that was at least the intended purpose of that Article of the Constitution; making anyone born here US citizens protected under those rights.

while i do think that is how it should be,<span style="font-weight: bold"> at the same time so many people have abused that particular thing. Now it's become loads of ppl tryna sneak around the system JUST to have their offspring be a citizen. that's kinda abusing it. and that kinda thing deh not really possible to &quot;prove&quot; - but we know its hapnin.</span>

so really am not sure what to think anymore </div></div>

truth dis fi real. which is why wi (our school system) juss stop ask.
cah it use to be a cycle fi real.
dem get depot. then next 6 months dem back again.
wid next papers saying them name is smaddy else.
mi know di heart of the law, but mi know nuff people weh abuse it too.

[Nunya]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The conversation is now based on what I think the law should be, that citizenship not be automatically granted to children of non us citizens.. </div></div>

Why not?

[kia027]

Re: College student and illegal immigrant: Should she stay or go

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nunya</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The conversation is now based on what I think the law should be, that citizenship not be automatically granted to children of non us citizens.. </div></div>

Why not? </div></div>

Nunya others above have noted reasons why the system is being abused and whether a change would help reduce the illegal immigration flow in the US

[MarieK]

Illegal Immigrant No hero.... And I agree

Illegal immigrant student is not a hero

6:00 am May 19, 2010, by Bob Barr

I was in New York City the other day (being photographed no doubt dozens of times by Mayor Bloomberg’s mass of surveilllance cameras), and while walking by Time Square, noticed a scrolling headline billboard for CNN blaring to the world that the case of Jessica Colotl, the illegal alien student at Kennesaw State Universtiy in Georgia, was being labeled a “civil rights disaster.” Say what? A “civil rights disaster?” In what sense? Because a case is pending regarding the legal status of one single person unquestionably in this country unlawfully, and who apparently violated at least a few state laws while she was at it (driving without a license, driving illegally, and giving false information to the police)? Where are the “civil rights” here and what is the crisis?

Even more troubling than these ridiculous headlines building this case into an international incident of epic proportions, is the fact that many people are intent on making this young woman into a martyr of the civil rights movement. For what — driving without a license? That’s all it takes to be a hero nowadays? In so doing, civil rights advocates are cheapening the currency of true civil rights problems in this country (and there are very real civil rights and civil liberties problems in the country). They lose credibility for their real battles in making this non-issue into a major test of principles and laws.

Sillier still is the notion that this college student – labeled one of the “best and brightest” by one pundit, yet who was not even bright enough to realize that when you’re in the country illegally it’s probably not a good idea to drive on public streets without a drivers license – is now being quoted as an expert on immigration laws. In one of her news conferences, Colotl labeled the currrent immigration system in this country a “mess” (it may very well be; if for no reason other than it allowed her to remain here for years and to benefit from taxpayer-subsidized tuition at a state university). Colotl also called for “reform” of the system. I will not be surprised if she is brought before a congressional committee and applauded as a “victim” and an “expert.” Perhaps the next immigration “reform” act will be named ”Jessica Colotl’s Law” in her honor.

There are a number of legitimate questions surrounding the case of illegal alien Jessica Colotl – including whether or not the charges pending against her are legitimate, and whether the federal government and the university acted properly in deferring her deportation for a year — and they need to be resolved. But let’s not get carried away; Jessica Colotl is no hero.
Illegal immigrant student is not a hero

6:00 am May 19, 2010, by Bob Barr

http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2010/05/19/illegal-immigrant-student-is-not-a-hero/