flogging in schools to be outlawed...

[ILP]

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Well oonu must older than I, but nobody got beating when mi was in school. Di teacher dem was deathly affraid fi catch up wid di student them people in town. I must say that alot of the kids I went to school with (especially the girls) them was quick fi mek it clear who ahn who dem granny/muddah/faddah was ahn who teet them would kick out.

[CeaBee]

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it look like it was still going on up to recently ILP..

me just see one story bout a boy that get hit in him eye by a belt buckle


but me caan find it easily now and mi head a hot me..or i would insert it here...oh see the article in the first post.....

[kia027]

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Yes it needs to be outlawed there are other ways to address defiant behavior other than violence. Floors need to be scrubbed, desks need to be cleaned, toilets cleaned, etc, etc.


As for the licks for not knowing the right answer that is foolishness and yes it goes on today

[Stormmey]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HIELPEE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well oonu must older than I, but nobody got beating when mi was in school. Di teacher dem was deathly affraid fi catch up wid di student them people in town. I must say that alot of the kids I went to school with (especially the girls) them was quick fi mek it clear who ahn who dem granny/muddah/faddah was ahn who teet them would kick out. </div></div>


this bring back memories....one teacher told me I was a spoilt brat and what she would do to me if I was her kid....so I basically told her who my Mom, stepdad was and the grandparents are..... she said someone needs to give me some good swats on my behind.... told her to try it......all because she snapped her fingers at me and and I told her to go snap her fingers at her MUTT at home.....brite

ehmmmm, I did tell her the MUTT was her husband

[Stormmey]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes it needs to be outlawed there are other ways to address defiant behavior other than violence. Floors need to be scrubbed, desks need to be cleaned, toilets cleaned, etc, etc.


As for the licks for not knowing the right answer that is foolishness and yes it goes on today </div></div>

now now kia,,,,that is going overboard bout clean toilet....not I

[CeaBee]

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yes i remember high school detention was sometimes cleaning the classroom and doing gardening work

i dont remember anybody getting caneing (sp?) in high school

[Stormmey]

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Well am glad for teachers sake that corporal punishment is not part of the currilum (sp) in school in Canada.....somebody wudda expire and it would not be I I think some teachers are just sadistic and getting dem likkle freak on

[Peasie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really wish I could have meet up again with a certain teacher who beat me with a belt,doesnt matter how old she is now I would take a belt and give the sadistic b!tch a taste of her own medicine. </div></div>

I hear you, Natral, cause meeda waan buck up one <span style="font-weight: bold">Miss Martin</span> weh day an tump har dung

In girls high school, there was no caning or corporeal punishment. I heard caning was going on in boys high schools though

[Stormmey]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CeaBee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it look like it was still going on up to recently ILP..

me just see one story bout a boy that get hit in him eye by a belt buckle


but me caan find it easily now and mi head a hot me..or i would insert it here...oh see the article in the first post..... </div></div>


here it is CB.....somebody need to expire that teach A.Z.Z. she has not faced any penalties....she still teaching....the Mom is shouldering the medical bills by herself. So what about the Ministry of education and sueing that heifer or juss bline har cleet back


<span style="font-weight: bold">Blinded by a belt buckle</span>
Corporal punishment costs a youngster his eye

By COREY ROBINSON Observer staff reporter [email protected]

Sunday, January 16, 2011


A belt buckle on the end of a strap wielded by a fifth-grade teacher, forever changed the lives of 11-year-old Tajoery Small and his mother Carlene Clarke.

One fateful December morning in 2009, the teacher — a member of staff at the New Providence Primary School in St Andrew — who had grown frustrated with another student's behaviour, delivered a blow to the unruly child which somehow struck Tajoery's left eye as he sat on the bench the two children shared.


Once an avid football player, Tajoery now spends his free time alone inside his home to avoid other children teasing him about his thick-lensed glasses.
Carlene Clarke comforts her son, Tajoery Small, whose vision was impaired after a belt used by a teacher to discipline another student at New Providence Primary School in St Andrew, struck him in the eye.
Tajoery pointing to his damaged eye which he says hurts like it is on fire.

Once an avid football player, Tajoery now spends his free time alone inside his home to avoid other children teasing him about his thick-lensed glasses. 1/3

The accident severely damaged the young boy's cornea and lens, requiring extensive surgery at the Bustamante Hospital for Children in St Andrew. Still Tajoery lost his vision in that eye.

The outcome shattered his world and devastated his mother, who has struggled to pay for his medication and the countless trips to and from clinical and counselling sessions. She said to date, she had spent more than $300,000.

The heavy expenses, however, are secondary to the sleepless nights Clarke endures, attending to her son who is often wracked with pain, she related in an interview with the Sunday Observer last week. The cost is also minute in comparison to the contempt she feels for the teacher, who she said had not been punished in any substantial way for the incident.

&quot;Trust me, many nights I don't sleep,&quot; said Clarke, her voice cracking with despair.

&quot;Tajoery cries constantly because of the pain. Sometimes he says 'mommy take out the eye nuh, weh mi agguh do? It a hurt me',&quot; she continued, adding that she had to stop him from wearing prescribed eyeglasses, which he said made his eyes hurt &quot;like they were on fire.&quot;

&quot;And what hurts me more than anything is that this teacher is still at the school teaching, still getting a salary, and my child is here suffering because of her,&quot; she lamented as she fought back tears.

&quot;When I heard about the extent of the damage to my child's eye, the way I feel, the neglect, everything, and to think that nothing is happening, to be honest, I just feel like I wanted to fight,&quot; she grieved, adding that she had to be the one to report the incident to the Ministry of Education.

When contacted, resident ophthalmologist at the University Hospital of the West Indies, Dr Leighton Maddan -- one of the doctors who first treated Tajoery -- declined to comment on his condition, stating that it would be illegal to do so, and that he had since stopped working with the hospital.

However, in a December 20, 2010 letter written by Dr Maddan, which the Sunday Observer obtained, he stated that: &quot;A referral letter from the Ophthalmology Department at the Bustamante Children's Hospital reported that he (Tajoery) had suffered a left corneal laceration with rupture of the left lens...&quot;

&quot;Examination at the University of the West Indies Eye Clinic revealed visual acuity of 20/20 in the right eye, and 20/200 in the affected left eye.&quot; read the letter.

In layman's terms, someone with 20/200 vision would have to come up to 20 feet to see a letter that a person with normal vision could see at 200 feet.

Another letter, dated December 9, 2010, written by consultant ophthalmologist Dr Donovan Calder, also one of Tajoery's doctors, concurred.

&quot;He (Tajoery) was assessed as having a left corneal scar... This corneal scar is permanent and he will need to be fitted with either contact lens or have a secondary intraocular lens implanted.&quot; said Calder in the statement.

&quot;As a result of this injury, his vision in his left eye will be permanently impaired, although it can be improved significantly (with surgery)... Tajoery would have experienced a considerable amount of pain at the time of the injury and would have been absent from school for several weeks,&quot; the letter continued, adding that the child's medical history showed that his vision was fine before the accident.

Clarke has since contacted the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine and has secured a February 11, appointment for consultation. However, the corneal transplant Tajoery will need is estimated to cost some US$20,000, and Clarke said she does not know how to find the first dollar.

Her fears deepen as the appointment date draws closer.

Although the surgery can be performed at the University Hospital of the West Indies, Clarke claimed she was advised by doctors that &quot;It would be very, very risky. So I don't want to chance it.&quot;

Last Tuesday, Olga Clarke, principal at New Providence Primary School confirmed that the teacher responsible for the accident is still teaching at the institution. She said that aside from a warning letter from the school, no sanctions have been made against her.

&quot;We had a board meeting about it and then everything was turned over to the ministry... If you are asking if she was fired; no, she was not fired. But a warning letter was given to her,&quot; said Clarke.

While she noted that the school generally conformed with the education ministry's policy that corporal punishment should not be practised in schools, she acknowledged that: &quot;It is just an unfortunate incident, but normally when you punish, you don't do it to abuse or to cause any injury,&quot; she said, adding that the accused teacher has been working at the institution for many years.

Clarke said strict warnings had been given to other teachers to prevent such an incident from reoccurring, but confessed: &quot;I can't be in all the classrooms all the time. But I try to ensure that they don't do it.&quot;

While corporal punishment is not illegal, Minister of Education Andrew Holness reiterated his stance against it, while explaining that he was unable to speak about the legal aspects of Tajoery's case.

&quot;The ministry has articulated a policy against corporal punishment precisely for the reason of what happened to young Tajoery. His eye cannot be replaced, and there is no form of indiscipline that could justify the blinding of the child, albeit accidentally,&quot; he said.

Tajoery, once an avid football player, now spends his free time isolated inside his home playing video games. He stays away from his friends, not only because of the constant pain he feels, but also to avoid their teasing him about his thick-lensed glasses.

His condition has affected him psychologically and has even led to depression, his mother said.

&quot;Even my sisters trouble me too, but I know they don't mean it,&quot; related the soft-spoken youngster, whose dreams of becoming a soldier have been crushed due to the incident.

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[j-kid]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really wish I could have meet up again with a certain teacher who beat me with a belt,doesnt matter how old she is now I would take a belt and give the sadistic b!tch a taste of her own medicine. </div></div>

I hear you, Natral, cause meeda waan buck up one <span style="font-weight: bold">Miss Martin</span> weh day an tump har dung

In girls high school, there was no caning or corporeal punishment. I heard caning was going on in boys high schools though
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<span style="font-weight: bold"> Natral an Peasie, why don't yuh tell us how unnu really feel! </span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Si dat, if dem did beat unnu bahine real good, like fi mi, unnu would not now ah talk bout tumping dung unnu elderly upstanding teachers. </span>

[Peasie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Si dat, if dem did beat unnu bahine real good, like fi mi, unnu would not now ah talk bout tumping dung unnu elderly upstanding teachers.</div></div>

An if mi si har a walk wid cane, meeda trip har baxide to neck back

[Skelly]

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and here completes the unraveling of the Jamaican society.

[neutral]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and here completes the unraveling of the Jamaican society. </div></div>

For far too long young jamaicans were being brought up to think that beating someone is the way to get your point across,or to maintain order or gain respect,this kind of mentality has obviously seeped into the larger society which has resulted in the kind of violent society jamaica currently is.

Another outdated form of control bites the dust,...and good riddance,I feel happy for the new generation of children who will not have to suffer at the hands of sadistic teachers who used beating as a substitute for proper teaching methods.

[j-kid]

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<span style="font-size: 17pt">Uncle administering &quot;some good old time religion&quot;:</span>

<span style="font-size: 14pt">Warning: Some strong language.</span>

<span style="font-size: 14pt">http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/video...dQvDJLQy55M05q</span>

[mountaingal]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and here completes the unraveling of the Jamaican society. </div></div>

unfortunately, beating did nothing to prevent the slide that has already taken place. i imagine things can only be better if teachers are forced to teach and enforce discipline in more affirming ways. you might get a better quality of jamaican person at the end, one who takes the time to think thru problems in relationships (not necessarily romantic ones alone) and find better solutions rather than just heading immediately for the violence and/or brutishness.