Now who would've thought that the head of the IMF

[Wahalla]

Re: DSK gets bail

Look in my book... Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy.... and Sirhan Sirhan shot the other brotehr simple.... I am astonished that there is any other issue than that of rape... Had this woman been raped in by an ordinary man there would be not this issue of conspirasy.. if as this is in the USA it been done by a white buisness man the call of rascism would rise.. if it was by a black older man we would be told the tale of wutless black man... Here it is a case of rape.. the seacond most onerous crime on the planet...

I recall reading in my youth of the rapes in WWII by the soviet union troops in berlin.. Confirmed by Berlin by Beevor.... And I was told of tales in the Spanish civil war by the rapes by the Army of Africa....

So here is something to put this in context..

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Taking of Berlin from the BBC... </span>

A woman accuses a man of rape.. it is her word against his.. He will have the best lawyers experts against her.... the conspirasy, the his history, the symbolism, the arigorical claims are irrelevant....This is her word against his....and I bet that he makes the same claim that Columbus made when he raped the Taino maid:::: she wanted it, she was wet when she was penetrated, even though she said no I knew she meant yes....afterward she cried out of guilt

[johnnycakes]

Re: DSK gets bail

Oh the humanity!!!

Those poor German people.

All THEY did was support Adolph Hitler while he killed 20 (TWENTY) million, 20,000,000 Soviet men women and children.

Yes, rape is a horrible crime for which life imprisonment is fine with me but, cheese and crackers will you ever get some sense of proportion and don't just look for any excuse to demonize socialism ?.

The German people were no more innocent in their willful ignorance of what they were cheering than are most Americans in cheering on Obama as he wages his many wars killing innocent men women and children.

And as a true DEMOCRATIC socialist/communist I do not in any way nor have I ever had anything but bad things to say about what great harm Joseph Stalin did to the worldwide movement to socialism. ( This added just so you don't even try to go there.)

[johnnycakes]

Re: DSK gets bail

Further, in the case of rape it is NOT just a case of her word against his anymore.

Microscopic DNA evidence now makes the identity of the rapist and the fact of rape undeniable.

[neutral]

Re: DSK gets bail

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Had this woman been raped in by an ordinary man there would be not this issue of conspirasy.. if as this is in the USA it been done by a white buisness man the call of rascism would rise.. if it was by a black older man we would be told the tale of wutless black man... Here it is a case of rape.. the seacond most onerous crime on the planet...



So here is something to put this in context..

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Taking of Berlin from the BBC... </span>

A woman accuses a man of rape.. it is her word against his.. He will have the best lawyers experts against her.... the conspirasy, the his history, the symbolism, the arigorical claims are irrelevant....This is her word against his....and I bet that he makes the same claim that Columbus made when he raped the Taino maid:::: she wanted it, she was wet when she was penetrated, even though she said no I knew she meant yes....afterward she cried out of guilt
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Well,....as you say,rape is the second most heineous crime on the planet,so if you wanted to bring someone down and having illicit sex was their achilles heel what better way to do it than to set them up having sex then accuse them of doing it without consent.

As for the race angle,no conclusion can be drawn here that the colour of the woman or the colour of the man is relevant where the accusation is concerned.

[queenb]

Re: DSK gets bail

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral_browning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...Secondly,how could he forced her to give him a blow job,he is not exactly a nubile young man,and they werent exactly in an isolated place,I imagine that an old geezer like that would have to take his little blue pill before he engaged in hanky panky,...so is it possible he took his little blue friend in anticipation of (promised) sex...? </div></div>

Natral, apparently you have no hope for your sex life in the next 20 years or so of your life. DSK is 62, and a lot of men much older than that have a rampant libido and have no need for any little blue pill. Trust me.

[Wahalla]

Re: DSK gets bail

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As for the race angle,no conclusion can be drawn here that the colour of the woman or the colour of the man is relevant where the accusation is concerned</div></div>

That is my point t.. this is a alleged case of rape.... nothing else matters.. if she is black, Hiv, immigrant, ugly all there rest..,. if there was sexual contact was it consensual or not.... His word against hers....

I hope she is kept safe... wehter the case is proven against him or not... she will go through hell...

[neutral]

Re: DSK gets bail

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queenb</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral_browning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...Secondly,how could he forced her to give him a blow job,he is not exactly a nubile young man,and they werent exactly in an isolated place,I imagine that an old geezer like that would have to take his little blue pill before he engaged in hanky panky,...so is it possible he took his little blue friend in anticipation of (promised) sex...? </div></div>

Natral, apparently you have no hope for your sex life in the next 20 years or so of your life. DSK is 62, and a lot of men much older than that have a rampant libido and have no need for any little blue pill. Trust me. </div></div>

Lol !....queenie i wont even ask how you know.

[Q3210]

Re: DSK gets bail

Now now Sir, tis not only by touching distance does it take to see a rising, moving object.

[johnnycakes]

Re: Now who would've thought that the head of the IMF

Sorry to be a little late in posting this but it just came out.
This is a good serious piece on DSK and the IMF in general.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175395/tomgram%3A_rebecca_solnit%2C_when_institutions_rape_nations/#more

[Q3210]

Re: Now who would've thought that the head of the IMF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry to be a little late in posting this but it just came out.
This is a good serious piece on DSK and the IMF in general.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1753..._nations/#more </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please Johnny, allow me, let me open it up below:
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Standing on the corner of 19th and G Street, just blocks from the White House, the International Monetary Fund looks no different from those other temples of capitalism -- the World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank -- that make their home in our nation's capital. On a given morning, it's not uncommon to see protesters outside the IMF's hulking offices, railing against its policy of imposing a draconian, free-market agenda on developing nations which, in their desperation, often have little choice but to come to the fund for help.

As we're quickly learning, in the aftermath of the arrest of its ex-leader, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the culture inside the IMF is almost as toxic as the bitter economic poison doled out by the organization itself. The harassment-plagued tenure of DSK, as he was known, was just the tip of a Titanic-sized iceberg. As the New York Times reports, his IMF had almost no safeguards against the kind of harassment rampant in a place filled with domineering males. Female IMF employees avoided certain types of dress to ward off unwanted attention, but still found themselves faced with all forms of harassment. &quot;It’s sort of like 'Pirates of the Caribbean'; the rules are more like guidelines,&quot; was the way Carmen Reinhardt, a highly respected economist who served as a director at the IMF, described the place. As TomDispatch regular Rebecca Solnit makes clear, the IMF's recklessness and disregard for the wellbeing of others reflects the organization's approach to the outside world, a history of using economic shock therapy on nations around the world with disastrous results. Andy Kroll

Worlds Collide in a Luxury Suite
Some Thoughts on the IMF, Global Injustice, and a Stranger on a Train
By Rebecca Solnit

How can I tell a story we already know too well? Her name was Africa. His was France. He colonized her, exploited her, silenced her, and even decades after it was supposed to have ended, still acted with a high hand in resolving her affairs in places like Côte d’Ivoire, a name she had been given because of her export products, not her own identity.

Her name was Asia. His was Europe. Her name was silence. His was power. Her name was poverty. His was wealth. Her name was Her, but what was hers? His name was His, and he presumed everything was his, including her, and he thought he could take her without asking and without consequences. It was a very old story, though its outcome had been changing a little in recent decades. And this time around the consequences are shaking a lot of foundations, all of which clearly needed shaking.

Who would ever write a fable as obvious, as heavy-handed as the story we’ve just been given? The extraordinarily powerful head of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), a global organization that has created mass poverty and economic injustice, allegedly assaulted a hotel maid, an immigrant from Africa, in a hotel’s luxury suite in New York City.


Worlds have collided. In an earlier era, her word would have been worthless against his and she might not have filed charges, or the police might not have followed through and yanked Dominique Strauss-Kahn off the plane to Paris at the last moment. But she did, and they did, and now he’s in custody, and the economy of Europe has been dealt a blow, and French politics have been upended, and that nation is reeling and soul-searching.

What were they thinking, these men who decided to give him this singular position of power, despite all the stories and evidence of such viciousness? What was he thinking when he decided he could get away with it? Did he think he was in France, where apparently he did get away with it? Only now is the young woman who says he assaulted her in 2002 pressing charges -- her own politician mother talked her out of it, and she worried about the impact it could have on her journalistic career (while her mother was apparently worrying more about his career).

And the Guardian reports that these stories “have added weight to claims by Piroska Nagy, a Hungarian-born economist, that the fund's director engaged in sustained harassment when she was working at the IMF that left her feeling she had little choice but to agree to sleep with him at the World Economic Forum in Davos in January 2008. She alleged he persistently called and emailed on the pretext of asking questions about [her expertise,] Ghana's economy, but then used sexual language and asked her out.”

In some accounts, the woman Strauss-Kahn is charged with assaulting in New York is from Ghana, in others a Muslim from nearby Guinea. “Ghana -- Prisoner of the IMF” ran a headline in 2001 by the usually mild-mannered BBC. Its report documented the way the IMF’s policies had destroyed that rice-growing nation’s food security, opening it up to cheap imported U.S. rice, and plunging the country’s majority into dire poverty. Everything became a commodity for which you had to pay, from using a toilet to getting a bucket of water, and many could not pay. Perhaps it would be too perfect if she was a refugee from the IMF’s policies in Ghana. Guinea, on the other hand, liberated itself from the IMF management thanks to the discovery of major oil reserves, but remains a country of severe corruption and economic disparity.

Pimping for the Global North

There’s an axiom evolutionary biologists used to like: “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny,” or the development of the embryonic individual repeats that of its species’ evolution. Does the ontogeny of this alleged assault echo the phylogeny of the International Monetary Fund? After all, the organization was founded late in World War II as part of the notorious Bretton Woods conference that would impose American economic visions on the rest of the world.

The IMF was meant to be a lending institution to help countries develop, but by the 1980s it had become an organization with an ideology -- free trade and free-market fundamentalism. It used its loans to gain enormous power over the economies and policies of nations throughout the global South.

However, if the IMF gained power throughout the 1990s, it began losing that power in the twenty-first century, thanks to powerful popular resistance to the economic policies it embodied and the economic collapse such policies produced. Strauss-Kahn was brought in to salvage the wreckage of an organization that, in 2008, had to sell off its gold reserves and reinvent its mission.

Her name was Africa. His name was IMF. He set her up to be pillaged, to go without health care, to starve. He laid waste to her to enrich his friends. Her name was Global South. His name was Washington Consensus. But his winning streak was running out and her star was rising.

It was the IMF that created the economic conditions that destroyed the Argentinian economy by 2001, and it was the revolt against the IMF (among other neoliberal forces) that prompted Latin America’s rebirth over the past decade. Whatever you think of Hugo Chavez, it was loans from oil-rich Venezuela that allowed Argentina to pay off its IMF loans early so that it could set its own saner economic policies.

The IMF was a predatory force, opening developing countries up to economic assaults from the wealthy North and powerful transnational corporations. It was a pimp. Maybe it still is. But since the Seattle anti-corporate demonstrations of 1999 set a global movement alight, there has been a revolt against it, and those forces have won in Latin America, changing the framework of all economic debates to come and enriching our imaginations when it comes to economies and possibilities.

Today, the IMF is a mess, the World Trade Organization largely sidelined, NAFTA almost universally reviled, the Free Trade Area of the Americas cancelled (though bilateral free-trade agreements continue), and much of the world has learned a great deal from the decade’s crash course in economic policy.

Strangers on a Train

The New York Times reported it this way: &quot;As the impact of Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s predicament hit home, others, including some in the news media, began to reveal accounts, long suppressed or anonymous, of what they called Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s previously predatory behavior toward women and his aggressive sexual pursuit of them, from students and journalists to subordinates.&quot;

In other words, he created an atmosphere that was uncomfortable or dangerous for women, which would be one thing if he were working in, say, a small office. But that a man who controls some part of the fate of the world apparently devoted his energies to generating fear, misery, and injustice around him says something about the shape of our world and the values of the nations and institutions that tolerated his behavior and that of men like him.

The United States has not been short on sex scandals of late, and they reek of the same arrogance, but they were at least consensual (as far as we know). The head of the IMF is charged with sexual assault. If that term confuses you take out the word “sexual” and just focus on “assault,” on violence, on the refusal to treat someone as a human being, on the denial of the most basic of human rights, the right to bodily integrity and corporeal safety. “The rights of man” was one of the great phrases of the French Revolution, but it’s always been questionable whether it included the rights of women.

The United States has a hundred million flaws, but I am proud that the police believed this woman and that she will have her day in court. I am gratified this time not to be in a country which has decided that the career of a powerful man or the fate of an international institution matters more than this woman and her rights and wellbeing. This is what we mean by democracy: that everyone has a voice, that no one gets away with things just because of their wealth, power, race, or gender.

Two days before Strauss-Kahn allegedly emerged from that hotel bathroom naked, there was a big demonstration in New York City. “Make Wall Street Pay” was the theme and union workers, radicals, the unemployed, and more -- 20,000 people -- gathered to protest the economic assault in this country that is creating such suffering and deprivation for the many -- and obscene wealth for the few.

I attended. On the crowded subway car back to Brooklyn afterwards, the youngest of my three female companions had her bottom groped by a man about Strauss-Kahn’s age. At first, she thought he had simply bumped into her. That was before she felt her buttock being cupped and said something to me, as young women often do, tentatively, quietly, as though it were perhaps not happening or perhaps not quite a problem.

Finally, she glared at him and told him to stop. I was reminded of a moment when I was an impoverished seventeen-year-old living in Paris and some geezer grabbed my [censored]. It was perhaps my most American moment in France, then the land of a thousand disdainful gropers; American because I was carrying three grapefruits, a precious purchase from my small collection of funds, and I threw those grapefruits, one after another, like baseballs at the creep and had the satisfaction of watching him scuttle into the night.

His action, like so much sexual violence against women, was undoubtedly meant to be a reminder that this world was not mine, that my rights -- my liberté, egalité, sororité, if you will -- didn’t matter. Except that I had sent him running in a barrage of fruit. And Dominique Strauss-Kahn got pulled off a plane to answer to justice. Still, that a friend of mine got groped on her way back from a march about justice makes it clear how much there still is to be done.

The Poor Starve, While the Rich Eat Their Words

What makes the sex scandal that broke open last week so resonant is the way the alleged assailant and victim model larger relationships around the world, starting with the IMF’s assault on the poor. That assault is part of the great class war of our era, in which the rich and their proxies in government have endeavored to aggrandize their holdings at the expense of the rest of us. Poor countries in the developing world paid first, but the rest of us are paying now, as those policies and the suffering they impose come home to roost via right-wing economics that savages unions, education systems, the environment, and programs for the poor, disabled, and elderly in the name of privatization, free markets, and tax cuts.

In one of the more remarkable apologies of our era, Bill Clinton -- who had his own sex scandal once upon a time -- told the United Nations on World Food Day in October 2008, as the global economy was melting down: “We need the World Bank, the IMF, all the big foundations, and all the governments to admit that, for 30 years, we all blew it, including me when I was President. We were wrong to believe that food was like some other product in international trade, and we all have to go back to a more responsible and sustainable form of agriculture.”

He said it even more bluntly last year: “Since 1981, the United States has followed a policy, until the last year or so when we started rethinking it, that we rich countries that produce a lot of food should sell it to poor countries and relieve them of the burden of producing their own food, so, thank goodness, they can leap directly into the industrial era. It has not worked. It may have been good for some of my farmers in Arkansas, but it has not worked. It was a mistake. It was a mistake that I was a party to. I am not pointing the finger at anybody. I did that. I have to live every day with the consequences of the lost capacity to produce a rice crop in Haiti to feed those people, because of what I did.”

Clinton’s admissions were on a level with former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan’s 2008 admission that the premise of his economic politics was wrong. The former policies and those of the IMF, World Bank, and free-trade fundamentalists had created poverty, suffering, hunger, and death. We have learned, most of us, and the world has changed remarkably since the day when those who opposed free-market fundamentalism were labeled “flat-earth advocates, protectionist trade unions, and yuppies looking for their 1960's fix,” in the mortal words of Thomas Friedman, later eaten.

A remarkable thing happened after the devastating Haitian earthquake last year: the IMF under Strauss-Kahn planned to use the vulnerability of that country to force new loans on it with the usual terms. Activists reacted to a plan guaranteed to increase the indebtedness of a nation already crippled by the kind of neoliberal policies for which Clinton belatedly apologized. The IMF blinked, stepped back, and agreed to cancel Haiti’s existing debt to the organization. It was a remarkable victory for informed activism.

Powers of the Powerless

It looks as though a hotel maid may end the career of one of the most powerful men in the world, or rather that he will have ended it himself by discounting the rights and humanity of that worker. Pretty much the same thing happened to Meg Whitman, the former E-Bay billionaire who ran for governor of California last year. She leapt on the conservative bandwagon by attacking undocumented immigrants -- until it turned out that she had herself long employed one, Nicky Diaz, as a housekeeper.

When, after nine years, it had become politically inconvenient to keep Diaz around, she fired the woman abruptly, claimed she’d never known her employee was undocumented, and refused to pay her final wages. In other words, Whitman was willing to spend $140 million on her campaign, but may have brought herself down thanks, in part, to $6,210 in unpaid wages.

Diaz said, &quot;I felt like she was throwing me away like a piece of garbage.&quot; The garbage had a voice, the California Nurses Union amplified it, and California was spared domination by a billionaire whose policies would have further brutalized the poor and impoverished the middle class.

The struggles for justice of an undocumented housekeeper and an immigrant hotel maid are microcosms of the great world war of our time. If Nickie Diaz and the battle over last year’s IMF loans to Haiti demonstrate anything, it’s that the outcome is uncertain. Sometimes we win the skirmishes, but the war continues. So much remains to be known about what happened in that expensive hotel suite in Manhattan last week, but what we do know is this: a genuine class war is being fought openly in our time, and last week, a so-called socialist put himself on the wrong side of it.

His name was privilege, but hers was possibility. His was the same old story, but hers was a new one about the possibility of changing a story that remains unfinished, that includes all of us, that matters so much, that we will watch, but also make and tell in the weeks, months, years, decades to come.

Rebecca Solnit is the author of 13 books, including A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disasters and Infinite City: A San Francisco Atlas. She is, from kindergarten to graduate school, a product of the California public education system now being decimated.

Copyright 2011 Rebecca Solnit

[Q3210]

Re: Now who would've thought that the head of the IMF

Yet, this scenario was witnessed in America. The big wig was apprehended and arrested, taken off an embarking Air France air liner. Held without bail at Rikers and now braceletted and confined to house arrest until trial in the PEOPLES court of America.

So, sometimes things do go justifiably for the people, up to now in this particular case.

Whats gonna happen?

If convicted, a suspended sentence, given his status?
Or will this be an example of justice as stipulated by the legislature and handed to the judiciary for implementation?

[sistactry]

DNA match


DNA links IMF head with alleged victim
Tuesday, May 24, 2011

NEW YORK, United States (AP) — DNA taken from former International Monetary Fund leader Dominique Strauss-Kahn matches material on the uniform of a hotel maid who says he sexually assaulted her, two people familiar with the investigation told The Associated Press.

The two people would not describe the material found on the shirt but said DNA matched a sample from Strauss-Kahn, who submitted to testing after his arrest more than a week ago. He denies the maid's allegations.


Two members of the NYPD crime scene unit enter an elevator at the Sofitel hotel in New York, Saturday, May 14, 2011. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

Two members of the NYPD crime scene unit enter an elevator at the Sofitel hotel in New York, Saturday, May 14, 2011. (AP Photo/John Minchillo) 1/1


Testing was being performed on other items, said the two people, who were not authorised to speak publicly about the matter and spoke to the AP on Monday on condition of anonymity.

During their investigation, authorities cut out a piece of carpet and swabbed sinks and other surfaces in his hotel room. Investigators told the AP they believed the carpet in the hotel room may contain Strauss-Kahn's semen, spat out after an episode of forced oral sex by the maid.

The forensic evidence is the first to link Strauss-Kahn to the woman — and it's also on track with what his lawyers have suggested would be his defence.

Strauss-Kahn's attorney Benjamin Brafman declined to comment on Monday. At a court hearing last week, he told a judge that forensic evidence developed in the investigation &quot;will not be consistent with a forcible encounter&quot; — leading to speculation that Strauss-Kahn's defence would argue that it was consensual.

New York Police Department spokesman Paul J Browne and the Manhattan district attorney's office wouldn't comment.

The one-time French presidential contender has been charged with a criminal sex act, attempted rape and sexual abuse and is free on $1 million bail, under house arrest at a lower Manhattan apartment. He's been accused of attacking the 32-year-old West African immigrant on May 14 in his luxury suite at the Sofitel hotel near Manhattan's Times Square. His lawyers say he's innocent.

Staff at the Sofitel told authorities that the 62-year-old Strauss-Kahn had made passes at them the day before the attack was reported, including flirting with a clerk and calling another employee to ask her up to his room, according to a third person with direct knowledge of investigators' interviews with staff.

Strauss-Kahn had flirted with one female staff member who accompanied him to his suite to make sure his accommodations were satisfactory after he checked in on May 13, the person said. Later, he phoned the desk clerk who had checked him in, asking her if she would like to get together with him when she got off duty, the person said. The desk clerk refused, saying she was not allowed to socialise with the VIP guest, the person said.

That person also wasn't authorised to speak publicly and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.

On Monday, lawyers for Strauss-Kahn continued to search for new housing for their client as he awaits trial. Strauss-Kahn has been staying at a temporary location under watch by armed guards with Stroz Friedberg, the same company that guarded disgraced financier Bernard Madoff. It wasn't clear when he would be moved. French and United States media have been staking out the building where Strauss-Kahn spent the weekend after he was released from his Rikers Island jail cell.

He resigned last Wednesday from the IMF.

His attorneys have described Strauss-Kahn as a loving father and family man. They say his actions after the attack was reported are not those of a guilty man eager for a quick escape. He left the hotel, had lunch and then phoned later to ask if he'd left anything behind. When hotel staff said he had left his cell phone, he told them exactly where he was: at John F Kennedy International Airport on a flight bound for Paris. Authorities pulled him from the jetliner



Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...#ixzz1NIrXktFP

[sistactry]

Re: DNA match

him wife naa waiver dow ehhh?? she a stick by her man,

[R_C]

Re: DNA match

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">him wife naa waiver dow ehhh?? she a stick by her man, </div></div>

biding her time while she gets her duck$$ in a row.

[kia027]

Re: DNA match

ya know