Gwaan choo barack

[mountaingal]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

the whole health care reform thing also makes him significantly different. but that doesnt count, for some reason. the only test people will judge him by, i guess, is foreign policy.

[mountaingal]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If Obama wasn't black nuff a unno wouldn't have unno back up bout him atall.
Tell mi seh mi a lie



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i make no apologies for seeing the racism that obama faces in his own country and wanting to pull for him so he can succeed despite the racists for whom everything obama says is &quot;anti-american&quot;, even when it is exactly what a white predecessor has said (e.g., the israel border issues).

[Cultcha]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Obama has taken a significantly different approach to foreign policy </div></div>

Examples please.

[Cultcha]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama has taken a significantly different approach to foreign policy and has been excoriated for it. </div></div>

Really? Then I was dreaming the whole Nobel Peace Prize thing then?

[RichD]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kotch_Foot_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Kotch_Foot_Milo]

Obama has taken a significantly different approach to foreign policy </div></div>

Examples please. </div></div>

Not taking the lead in the current middle east activity.

Not threatening military action against Iran in order to try to force them to comply onthe nuclear issue.

A more reasoned approach to the Isreal/Palistine conflict.

[RichD]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kotch_Foot_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama has taken a significantly different approach to foreign policy and has been excoriated for it. </div></div>

Really? Then I was dreaming the whole Nobel Peace Prize thing then? </div></div>

not sure what this comment means

[Cultcha]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the whole health care reform thing also makes him significantly different. but that doesnt count, for some reason. the only test people will judge him by, i guess, is foreign policy. </div></div>

I already mentioned in this thread the fact that I applaud his achievements regarding health care. But he is still responsible for the death of innocent peoples. Black or white, that is just what U.S. presidents do.

[Cultcha]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kotch_Foot_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama has taken a significantly different approach to foreign policy and has been excoriated for it. </div></div>

Really? Then I was dreaming the whole Nobel Peace Prize thing then? </div></div>

not sure what this comment means </div></div>

Google it.

[RichD]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kotch_Foot_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kotch_Foot_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama has taken a significantly different approach to foreign policy and has been excoriated for it. </div></div>

Really? Then I was dreaming the whole Nobel Peace Prize thing then? </div></div>

not sure what this comment means </div></div>

Google it. </div></div>

i did and i found nothing about your dream....but let me try to guess what you mean.


are you arguing that because early in his presidency he was given the nobel peace prize there has been no significant criticism of his policies?

ETA:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124044156269345357.html

[Wendy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kotch_Foot_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the whole health care reform thing also makes him significantly different. but that doesnt count, for some reason. the only test people will judge him by, i guess, is foreign policy. </div></div>

I already mentioned in this thread the fact that I applaud his achievements regarding health care. But he is still responsible for the death of innocent peoples. Black or white, that is just what U.S. presidents do. </div></div>

So am I to believe that Barack Obama purposefully order the killings of innocent people, women, children black or white?

[Cultcha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WeNdY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So am I to believe that Barack Obama purposefully order the killings of innocent people, women, children black or white? </div></div>

Those tomahawk missiles just don't fire off on their own.

Who were these weapons aimed at? Did the people these missiles were aimed at deserving of their demise? Unless these missiles were programed to fall harmlessly out in the sea I don't know what other conclusions to form except to say that yes, ... Barack Obama purposefully order the killings of innocent people, women, children black or white, as you have stated. Honestly, I don't know why that is a shock to anyone.

[jah_yout]

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<span style="font-weight: bold">U.S. Drone Strike Kills 5 Women &amp; 4 Children in Pakistan</span>


Yesterday, Pakistan’s top army general, Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, sat down with Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, and told him that <span style="font-weight: bold">American drone strikes in Pakistan </span>were complicating Pakistan’s fight against Islamic militants. Today, an American unmanned aerial drone attack has <span style="font-weight: bold">killed at least 25 Pakistanis, including five women and four children.</span>According to the BBC, the attack occurred in the town of Spinwam, located in the largely lawless tribal region of North Waziristan, a longtime haven for al-Qaeda and Taliban militants. <span style="font-weight: bold">But the four missiles fired by the pilotless US aircraft struck a family home as well as a compound housing suspected militants, and nine civilians were killed. Several other people were injured in the attack.</span>The latest slaughter of innocent Pakistanis is sure to enrage a nation already at the end of its rope with America. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 11pt">While US drone strikes have killed some senior militants, far more civilians– well over 700– have died as a result of the attacks.</span></span> Since taking office, <span style="font-weight: bold">US President Barack Obama has significantly increased the number of drone strikes in Pakistan, resulting in a sentiment among that country’s people that Washington is running roughshod over their sovereignty.</span>Accidents like this one also contribute to the popular belief that the United States doesn’t value Muslim lives the same as it does American ones. A series of particularly deadly strikes this year, like the March 17th attack on a tribal meeting that <span style="font-weight: bold">massacred 40 innocent people and a February helicopter attack that killed 9 children, ages 8 to 14, only adds fuel to the fire of Pakistani outrage</span>.

[johnnycakes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kotch_Foot_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Kotch_Foot_Milo]

Obama has taken a significantly different approach to foreign policy </div></div>

Examples please. </div></div>

(1)
Not taking the lead in the current middle east activity.

(2)
Not threatening military action against Iran in order to try to force them to comply onthe nuclear issue.

(3)
A more reasoned approach to the Isreal/Palistine conflict. </div></div>


(1) Not taking the lead also means supporting the dictators until supporting them becomes impossible and then stepping back and letting the revolts continue.

(2)
Exactly what right do we have to tell Iran it can't build nuclear bombs if they so wanted? Israel has them against all international conventions and is a rogue criminal state.
There is no evidence that Iran is building a nuclear weapon only nuclear power capability.


(3)
A more reasoned approach. ?
A MORE REASONED APPROACH?
The U.S policy of supporting Israel no matter what they do (ethnic cleansing , continued settlements etc) is the Obama policy as well.
Obama recently said some things that the Israelis did not like but words are cheap and Obama has yet to take action on anything beyond what U.S policy has always been.
What evidence do you have of a change in policy?

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reason is that the Irish claimed him... and to twist the concept that his soley of African heritage.... He is of European and African ethnicity.... He is taken as an African American.. He could be equally be Irish american....

If he went to Kenya and they diefied him as in Ireland.. He would then be a Kenyan American... Grant me the right to have an inverted view... </div></div>

yes, i for one will be awaiting his kenyan visit and toast </div></div>

he went in 2006 </div></div>

i knew i should have clarified;

i will be watching to see if he visits kenya in his current role as president of the united states...with comparable fanfare to his presidential irish visit...

big difference visiting someplace as a relatively unknown vs. a u.s. president </div></div>

He might since he cleared up his birth certificate issue

[RichD]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kotch_Foot_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Kotch_Foot_Milo]

Obama has taken a significantly different approach to foreign policy </div></div>

Examples please. </div></div>

(1)
Not taking the lead in the current middle east activity.

(2)
Not threatening military action against Iran in order to try to force them to comply onthe nuclear issue.

(3)
A more reasoned approach to the Isreal/Palistine conflict. </div></div>


(1) Not taking the lead also means supporting the dictators until supporting them becomes impossible and then stepping back and letting the revolts continue.

(2)
Exactly what right do we have to tell Iran it can't build nuclear bombs if they so wanted? Israel has them against all international conventions and is a rogue criminal state.
There is no evidence that Iran is building a nuclear weapon only nuclear power capability.


(3)
A more reasoned approach. ?
A MORE REASONED APPROACH?
The U.S policy of supporting Israel no matter what they do (ethnic cleansing , continued settlements etc) is the Obama policy as well.
Obama recently said some things that the Israelis did not like but words are cheap and Obama has yet to take action on anything beyond what U.S policy has always been.
What evidence do you have of a change in policy? </div></div>

what woudl you have him do on these specific issues?