Gwaan choo barack

[neutral]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;As for the policies of the US,that is another issue,I am still proud of barack,&quot;



Natral,

Just how do you manage to separate the man from his acts in support of several wars and his continuation of U.S foreign policy in general.

What exactly are you proud of? </div></div>


As I,ve said above,Us foreign policy issues are entirely a different matter,the US pursue a foreign policy agenda that has always aimed at not only to confirm it,s status as superpower,but whatever it perceives is in it,s &quot;national interest&quot;,which is a very broad term.
No one can blame obama for the political legacy he took on,he went into office with very high ideals,and very big promises,but soon found out that things look very differently from the inside,and it,s not easy to change the status quo as he had hoped.
I certainly didnt expect him to go into the white house,click his fingers and undo all the wrongs,stop all the wars,and reverse all the bad things carried out so far by the US,it is both unrealistic and impossible,...I am prepared to give him a chance,he,s hardly been in office long enough to make a judgement on him about his foreign policy actions.
When I see barack standing up adressing all those peers,lords and distinguished people of the house,including 3 past prime ministers,it is difficult as a black man not to feel a tinge of pride.
.

[mountaingal]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral_browning</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;As for the policies of the US,that is another issue,I am still proud of barack,&quot;



Natral,

Just how do you manage to separate the man from his acts in support of several wars and his continuation of U.S foreign policy in general.

What exactly are you proud of? </div></div>


As I,ve said above,Us foreign policy issues are entirely a different matter,the US pursue a foreign policy agenda that has always aimed at not only to confirm it,s status as superpower,but whatever it perceives is in it,s &quot;national interest&quot;,which is a very broad term.
No one can blame obama for the political legacy he took on,<span style="font-weight: bold">he went into office with very high ideals,and very big promises,but soon found out that things look very differently from the inside,and it,s not easy to change the status quo as he had hoped.
I certainly didnt expect him to go into the white house,click his fingers and undo all the wrongs,stop all the wars,and reverse all the bad things carried out so far by the US,it is both unrealistic and impossible,...I am prepared to give him a chance,he,s hardly been in office long enough to make a judgement on him about his foreign policy actions.</span>
When I see barack standing up adressing all those peers,lords and distinguished people of the house,including 3 past prime ministers,it is difficult as a black man not to feel a tinge of pride.
. </div></div>

THANK YOU!!!!!

[nattydreadgirl]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral_browning</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;As for the policies of the US,that is another issue,I am still proud of barack,&quot;



Natral,

Just how do you manage to separate the man from his acts in support of several wars and his continuation of U.S foreign policy in general.

What exactly are you proud of? </div></div>


As I,ve said above,Us foreign policy issues are entirely a different matter,the US pursue a foreign policy agenda that has always aimed at not only to confirm it,s status as superpower,but whatever it perceives is in it,s &quot;national interest&quot;,which is a very broad term.
No one can blame obama for the political legacy he took on,he went into office with very high ideals,and very big promises,but soon found out that things look very differently from the inside,and it,s not easy to change the status quo as he had hoped.
I certainly didnt expect him to go into the white house,click his fingers and undo all the wrongs,stop all the wars,and reverse all the bad things carried out so far by the US,it is both unrealistic and impossible,...I am prepared to give him a chance,he,s hardly been in office long enough to make a judgement on him about his foreign policy actions.
When I see barack standing up adressing all those peers,lords and distinguished people of the house,including 3 past prime ministers,it is difficult as a black man not to feel a tinge of pride.
. </div></div>

[Wendy]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

Natral ..mek dat TREE standing ovation fi dis wan


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral_browning</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;As for the policies of the US,that is another issue,I am still proud of barack,&quot;



Natral,

Just how do you manage to separate the man from his acts in support of several wars and his continuation of U.S foreign policy in general.

What exactly are you proud of? </div></div>


As I,ve said above,Us foreign policy issues are entirely a different matter,the US pursue a foreign policy agenda that has always aimed at not only to confirm it,s status as superpower,but whatever it perceives is in it,s &quot;national interest&quot;,which is a very broad term.
No one can blame obama for the political legacy he took on,he went into office with very high ideals,and very big promises,but soon found out that things look very differently from the inside,and it,s not easy to change the status quo as he had hoped.
I certainly didnt expect him to go into the white house,click his fingers and undo all the wrongs,stop all the wars,and reverse all the bad things carried out so far by the US,it is both unrealistic and impossible,...I am prepared to give him a chance,he,s hardly been in office long enough to make a judgement on him about his foreign policy actions.
When I see barack standing up adressing all those peers,lords and distinguished people of the house,including 3 past prime ministers,it is difficult as a black man not to feel a tinge of pride.
. </div></div>

[remo]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

Yes,Well said.......

[Emperah]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral_browning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He,s achieved a first again for a US president,a first for a black man,he addressed BOTH houses of the british parliament,the house of parliament,and the house of commons,what a man eloquent..Baxide !

Our ancestors would have been shedding a little tear of pride, seeing him stood up there in front of all the great modern politicians of the united kingdom. </div></div>

I think our ancestors would be ashamed of him.
I'm talking of our ancestors who taken against their will, the ones who were fed to sharks, the ones who were auctioned off like cattle, the ones who were raped and then had their children taken from them like how yuh tek a calf from the mother.
Yes i think they would be very ashamed to see such a &quot;great&quot; man with such influence do nothing other than his predecessors and stand for wrong instead of right. The invasion of Africa disguised as what it is, the turning the blind eye to conflicts created or left alone because a certain natural resource is not there, yes.
This man is eloquent, he is great, smooth and all the niceties weh one cyan put on him, but I doubt any of it would blind the ancestors who went through the middle passage.

I really don't know how he live wid himself de way him a gwaan, but den again if him cyan deny family members in Kenya...

[Wendy]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<span style="font-style: italic">aahh sah </span>

[mountaingal]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think our ancestors would be ashamed of him. </div></div>

you have a narrow and ungenerous view of our ancestors.

[Emperah]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think our ancestors would be ashamed of him. </div></div>

you have a narrow and ungenerous view of our ancestors. </div></div>

i think you fail to appreciate what our ancestors went through along with their plight and daily fight. I am not the one being blinded by a smooth talking black man who is here to dash everything they went through away.

[RichD]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not the one being blinded by a smooth talking black man who is here to <span style="font-weight: bold">dash everything they went through away.</span> </div></div>

break that down for me please

[Wendy]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think our ancestors would be ashamed of him. </div></div>

you have a narrow and ungenerous view of our ancestors. </div></div>

i think you fail to appreciate what our ancestors went through along with their plight and daily fight. I am not the one being blinded by a smooth talking black man who is here to dash everything they went through away. </div></div>

I think you fail to free your mind from mental slavery.

[mountaingal]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think our ancestors would be ashamed of him. </div></div>

you have a narrow and ungenerous view of our ancestors. </div></div>

i think you fail to appreciate what our ancestors went through along with their plight and daily fight. I am not the one being blinded by a smooth talking black man who is here to dash everything they went through away. </div></div>

our ancestors understood struggle, which is what barack endures every day of his presidency.

[R_C]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

Natral, it is clear to me that sometimes some of us forget that Obama in not a King, an Emperor or a Pharaoh. He does not “rule” by fiat or decree. His powers are limited by the constitution, the legislative branch, the Supreme Court and by the fact that the country is almost evenly divided into Democrats and Republicans. He is not a military dictator or a “strong man” leading a banana republic. The military does not do his bidding just by his giving an order. He cannot undo the legacy of 400 years of slavery in two and a half years. A very large number of people automatically opposed him and his plans from the day he was elected and before he opened his mouth as president...simply because he was black and for no other reason. What other president in US history has had that to deal with going into their first day on the job ? The expectations of Barack Obama in the first half of his presidency are so wildly unrealistic that sometimes I am wonder if we remember the basics of the US form of government and the reality on the ground here in this country.

[johnnycakes]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral_browning</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;As for the policies of the US,that is another issue,I am still proud of barack,&quot;



Natral,

Just how do you manage to separate the man from his acts in support of several wars and his continuation of U.S foreign policy in general.

What exactly are you proud of? </div></div>


As I,ve said above,Us foreign policy issues are entirely a different matter,the US pursue a foreign policy agenda that has always aimed at not only to confirm it,s status as superpower,but whatever it perceives is in it,s &quot;national interest&quot;,which is a very broad term.
No one can blame obama for the political legacy he took on,he went into office with very high ideals,and very big promises,but soon found out that things look very differently from the inside,and it,s not easy to change the status quo as he had hoped.
I certainly didnt expect him to go into the white house,click his fingers and undo all the wrongs,stop all the wars,and reverse all the bad things carried out so far by the US,it is both unrealistic and impossible,...I am prepared to give him a chance,he,s hardly been in office long enough to make a judgement on him about his foreign policy actions.
When I see barack standing up adressing all those peers,lords and distinguished people of the house,including 3 past prime ministers,it is difficult as a black man not to feel a tinge of pride.
. </div></div>



Natral,

Obama has done nothing to change the direction of an atrocious foreign policy that daily kills innocent men women and children around the world.

The buck stops at his desk.

Why did you vote for him?

To change things.

Perhaps there are somethings that are more important to you in some twisted perspective than are the lives of the innocent men women and children whose deaths he orders.

That takes a lot of fact twisting and ignoring of reality.

[johnnycakes]

Re: Gwaan choo barack

This was Malcolm X's take on how the black man/woman voted in 1964 for the lesser of two evil candidates.

What would Malcolm X have said of the Obama supporters here?
IMO After his hajj, nothing at all different.

&quot;...........It was the black man's vote that put the present administration in Washington, D.C. Your vote, your dumb vote, your ignorant vote, your wasted vote put in an administration in Washington, D.C., that has seen fit to pass every kind of legislation imaginable, saving you until last, then filibustering on top of that. And your and my leaders have the audacity to run around clapping their hands and talk about how much progress we're making. &quot;






&quot;It was the black man's vote that put the present administration in Washington, D.C. Your vote, your dumb vote, your ignorant vote, your wasted vote put in an administration in Washington, D.C., that has seen fit to pass every kind of legislation imaginable, saving you until last, then filibustering on top of that. And your and my leaders have the audacity to run around clapping their hands and talk about how much progress we're making.