Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

[missus_vegas]

Re: Heroes and Villains

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you mean to tell me that anyone in a mosque who came to pray and then found themselves subjected to a political speech by Mr. Farrakhan would get up and walk out, I have to respectfully disagree.
That action would be roundly condemned by the other 99% of the attendees. </div></div>

cakes, the problem with a lot of religious figures nowadays is precisely this;
they don't get involved in the actual issues facing the community- they are content to preach about the supposed afterlife...
the Nation of Islam has always been 'political', especially el hajj malik el shabazz/ malcolm x...
serving the creator means addressing ALL aspects of life-- this life---
not dwelling on ancient historical events &amp; myths or what they imagine to be an afterlife or their concept of what 'god' wants or what is 'god's' true nature;

who said political issues should/can not be discussed in a spiritual setting?

by the way farrakhan is very good at delivering sermons;
something that is respected by africans/afra-descendants </div></div>

jahyout i dont think its the place of a religious leader to tell me how to vote etc. not saying dat politics can never come up but most a wah mi hear Farrakan talk bout is politics politics. i think only once have i ever hear him read a scripture( is dat wah muslim call it?)...i listen to him from time to time bcus him a somebody mr vegas nterested in and listen to, but all dese years of listening to him dont ask me what the muslim faith is all about. i am not even sure who the prophet the &quot;right honorable elijah mohamed&quot; is. he is always mentioning dat name and i assume is somebody form the Koran. nothing wrong with him having and sharing his views but dont do so standing behind &quot;religion&quot;. resign from the ministry and just become a political commentator

[johnnycakes]

Re: Heroes and Villains

Vegas,
The purpose of religion is ostensibly to teach people morality and to do good and to do no evil.
Minister Farrakhan does this in a ery effective manner and to a degree that other Christian clergy, Muslim clergy (inside the U.S.) Jewish clergy would not dare.

What is a greater evil in the world today if not the killing machine that is the United States, currently at war with six nations.

Minister Farrakhan is trying to get we/the country of the United States to stop doing that great evil.

There is no better place, no better audience with whom he could share that message.

No, go to church all dolled up and sing those hymns and listen to a minister hoot and holler about nothing just so YOU can feel good.

Why let morality and the greatest sinning and crimes against humanity intrude on all that FUN.

That Farrakhan just doesn't know what a party pooper he is.

[jah_yout]

Re: Heroes and Villains

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vegas</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you mean to tell me that anyone in a mosque who came to pray and then found themselves subjected to a political speech by Mr. Farrakhan would get up and walk out, I have to respectfully disagree.
That action would be roundly condemned by the other 99% of the attendees. </div></div>

cakes, the problem with a lot of religious figures nowadays is precisely this;
they don't get involved in the actual issues facing the community- they are content to preach about the supposed afterlife...
the Nation of Islam has always been 'political', especially el hajj malik el shabazz/ malcolm x...
serving the creator means addressing ALL aspects of life-- this life---
not dwelling on ancient historical events &amp; myths or what they imagine to be an afterlife or their concept of what 'god' wants or what is 'god's' true nature;

who said political issues should/can not be discussed in a spiritual setting?

by the way farrakhan is very good at delivering sermons;
something that is respected by africans/afra-descendants </div></div>

jahyout i dont think its the place of a religious leader to tell me how to vote etc. not saying dat politics can never come up but most a wah mi hear Farrakan talk bout is politics politics. i think only once have i ever hear him read a scripture( is dat wah muslim call it?)...i listen to him from time to time bcus him a somebody mr vegas nterested in and listen to, but all dese years of listening to him dont ask me what the muslim faith is all about. i am not even sure who the prophet the &quot;right honorable elijah mohamed&quot; is. he is always mentioning dat name and i assume is somebody form the Koran. nothing wrong with him having and sharing his views but dont do so standing behind &quot;religion&quot;. resign from the ministry and just become a political commentator </div></div>

Vegas open your mind...
martin luther king delivered religious sermons yet also walked in the streets for political change;
how can you separate life from 'god'?
even the pope who many catholics &amp; other christian sects consider the epitome of holiness on earth, comments on political issues...
to me the most dangerous preachers are those who only dwell on the bible &amp; jesus or the quran, the torah, etc and ignore their actual everyday lives around them;

only false peachers close their eyes to reality...
living in books of past history, tales, myths &amp; allegories while awaiting some supposed 'heaven' or 'hell' after death is the true crime of preachers;

farrakhan has been doing this for decades so you can find him speaking on all topics covering life;
this is the true tradition of the black church;

otherwise religion is useless if only concerned with fairy tales

[Derek]

Re: Heroes and Villains

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
to me the most dangerous preachers are those who only dwell on the bible &amp; jesus or the quran, the torah, etc and ignore their actual everyday lives around them; </div></div>

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Heroes and Villains

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm going to darken MY skin, flatten my nose and chin, take all sorts of drugs, comb my hair with buttered toast, join/found the all-white NOI ( Neighborhood of Islam) , learn how to smirk, and wear a variety of bizarre clothing while running some oil-rich country.
Then I too will be a hero to many. </div></div>


Why on earth do you want to be like TuffGong? </div></div>

Except for the buttered toast hair do I might accept that he could be my brother!

[CyberPhobic]

Re: Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We seem to share the same opinions (based on facts) regarding lying governments and various world events.

As far as I'm concerned the guy talks a lot of sense.

Don't mention his religion, please. </div></div>

Mi surprise sey yuh juss decide fi listen to him.

Yuh heard ennyting bout him involvement in di killing of Malcolm X? Nuff peeple tink sey a him kill Malcolm, point blank.

Mi did tekk a class taught by Betty Shabazz, and one a di student did hawks har fi elaborate pan dat &quot;rumored fact&quot; and shi plead di fifth.

Minister Louis Farrakhan holds a lotta seekrits!

[Derek]

Re: Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CyberPhobic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We seem to share the same opinions (based on facts) regarding lying governments and various world events.

As far as I'm concerned the guy talks a lot of sense.

Don't mention his religion, please. </div></div>

Mi surprise sey yuh juss decide fi listen to him.

Yuh heard ennyting bout him involvement in di killing of Malcolm X? Nuff peeple tink sey a him kill Malcolm, point blank.

Mi did tekk a class taught by Betty Shabazz, and one a di student did hawks har fi elaborate pan dat &quot;rumored fact&quot; and shi plead di fifth.

Minister Louis Farrakhan holds a lotta seekrits!

</div></div>

Did Farrakhan 'look the other way' while the FBI planned it?
The FBI (not Farrakhan or any NoI) followed Malcolm to Cairo and tried to poison him there.

[RichD]

Re: Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Did Farrakhan 'look the other way' while the FBI planned it?
The FBI (not Farrakhan or any NoI) followed Malcolm to Cairo and tried to poison him there. </div></div>

was it the FBI? or was it the CIA? or was it the NOI? or was it the NYPD?

[Gen]

Re: Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

the flying squad

[Derek]

Re: Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Did Farrakhan 'look the other way' while the FBI planned it?
The FBI (not Farrakhan or any NoI) followed Malcolm to Cairo and tried to poison him there. </div></div>

was it the FBI? or was it the CIA? or was it the NOI? or was it the NYPD? </div></div>


You tell me.

[RichD]

Re: Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Did Farrakhan 'look the other way' while the FBI planned it?
The FBI (not Farrakhan or any NoI) followed Malcolm to Cairo and tried to poison him there. </div></div>

was it the FBI? or was it the CIA? or was it the NOI? or was it the NYPD? </div></div>


You tell me. </div></div>

I have no clue...from what i read there are many theories. the 3 most likley are the FBI the CIA and the NOI...i would discount the NYPD

[Derek]

Re: Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Did Farrakhan 'look the other way' while the FBI planned it?
The FBI (not Farrakhan or any NoI) followed Malcolm to Cairo and tried to poison him there. </div></div>

was it the FBI? or was it the CIA? or was it the NOI? or was it the NYPD? </div></div>


You tell me. </div></div>

I have no clue...from what i read there are many theories. the 3 most likley are the FBI the CIA and the NOI...i would discount the NYPD </div></div>


Start with J. Edgar Hoover and work your way down.

[RichD]

Re: Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Start with J. Edgar Hoover and work your way down. </div></div>

so it was a personal vendetta?


the FBI seems to have been more focused on discrediting him that bumping him off

[Derek]

Re: Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Start with J. Edgar Hoover and work your way down. </div></div>

so it was a personal vendetta?


the FBI seems to have been more focused on discrediting him that bumping him off </div></div>

Personal? Was COINTELPRO personal?
As I said, Malcolm was almost poisoned in Cairo.

[RichD]

Re: Been watching plenty of Louis Farrakhan on YouTube

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Personal? Was COINTELPRO personal?
As I said, Malcolm was almost poisoned in Cairo. </div></div>

so when that attempt failed they said to heck with this subtle stuff...lets just shoot him ?