uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

[SmoothOperator]

Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TreyJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Disagree. During the 2007 campaign he was making comments about JLP MPs who he knew had dual citizenship. </div></div>

Find I the quotes?
I cannot remember that, but consider this.
Mr. Seaga set a precedent by giving up his Dual Citizenship.
Mr. Golding prides himself on be a student of the Constitution, yet he made a unimaginable error by selection Candidates that were Dual Citizens. This revealed poor vetting by Mr. Golding and he should have resigned then.
Then when all this was going through the Courts he let it play out rather than tell each of his Dual Citizens to declare then call an election.

Mr. Seaga said Mr. Golding should resigned over the war he handled the storming of Tivoli. are you saying Mr. Seaga should have been silent about this when every one was chasing him for and opinion?
Mr. Golding bungled the matter and should have resigned there and then for sending in the State to kill in members of his own Constituency! </div></div>

Seaga did not say that just Golding should resign he did a broadside against the entire JLP saying the whole party was corrupt. The party was hurting and as elder statesman he could have been more diplomatic. The JLP problems started before Mannat/Dudus and before Bruce Golding and go back to Eddie Seaga in the 90s and the 'gang of five' - problems that arose because of Seaga's leadership style. I feel bad for Anju, cuz him a go get blame too for calling an election early and losing by what looks like a landslide. But would it have been any different if he waited a year. We will never know.

[Wahalla]

Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">someone asked karl samuda whether in hindsight the G2K, the party's youth wing, was given too much latitude in the campaign. he said that he felt the youth's enthusiasm should not be constrained.

but i wonder about their strategy of attack ads.

someone now disagreeing with samuda, saying the G2K didn't actually reflect a new style of politics, but harked back to the old ways, that the G2K needed guidance. </div></div>


they also stated what I have attested over the years.. the vibrancy of the Jamaican press...

[Tuff Gong]

Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">someone asked karl samuda whether in hindsight the G2K, the party's youth wing, was given too much latitude in the campaign. he said that he felt the youth's enthusiasm should not be constrained.

but i wonder about their strategy of attack ads.

someone now disagreeing with samuda, saying the G2K didn't actually reflect a new style of politics, but harked back to the old ways, that the G2K needed guidance. </div></div>

In 2007 the G2K Group Sourced their Campaign on YouTube. When JLP won and their hero Bruce was installed they turn their backs on their little helpers. They wiped their YouTube of all Comments and block most of us who gave our opinion.
Everyone said their Online Campaign was not cutting edge this year. They went after Portia, yet ignored the important spokes in her wheel.

But I don't blame G2K the JLP Campaign in Jamaica on the ground was bad. The Candidates were not in their Constituencies long enough.The Campaign period was too short, given the shape the Economy was in. The JLP should have waited till they get at least some of the projects right rather than force a major decision now.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TreyJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seaga did not say that just Golding should resign he did a broadside against the entire JLP saying the whole party was corrupt. </div></div>
When and where did he say that? I have never heard that.
The agreement between Mr. Seaga and Mr.Golding when Mr. Golding came back to the Party was that Mr. Seaga would not comment on Political matters. He did not.
Not until the Dudus matter did he comment.
Can you find I any comment between 2005 and 2010 other than Dudus?

[SmoothOperator]

Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TreyJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seaga did not say that just Golding should resign he did a broadside against the entire JLP saying the whole party was corrupt. </div></div>
When and where did he say that? I have never heard that.
The agreement between Mr. Seaga and Mr.Golding when Mr. Golding came back to the Party was that Mr. Seaga would not comment on Political matters. He did not.
Not until the Dudus matter did he comment.
Can you find I any comment between 2005 and 2010 other than Dudus? </div></div>

It was after the Tivoli invasion. He was obviously upset and it was in the context of all these people from Tivoli calling him during the time of the invasion and him not being able to help them. Plus Seaga always felt like the party never gave him the respect he deserves as leader and pushed him aside for Bruce(4 election losses notwithstanding). There is an element of bitterness in him there.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TreyJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Seaga always felt like the party never gave him the respect he deserves as leader and pushed him aside(even after 4 brutal election losses). There is an element of bitterness there. </div></div>

Don't Editorialize, just give I the links to his quotes where he said the Party was corrupt?
Mr. Seaga was not running the Party and played zero role in Politics since he resigned and Mr. Golding came forward into the Party. He only commented on the Tivoli massacre and has been more active since Mr. Golding resigned.

[SmoothOperator]

Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TreyJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Seaga always felt like the party never gave him the respect he deserves as leader and pushed him aside(even after 4 brutal election losses). There is an element of bitterness there. </div></div>

Don't Editorialize, just give I the links to his quotes where he said the Party was corrupt?
Mr. Seaga was not running the Party and played zero role in Politics since he resigned and Mr. Golding came forward into the Party. He only commented on the Tivoli massacre and has been more active since Mr. Golding resigned. </div></div>

If I find a link I'll post but mi hear him say it with my own ears. It was not a print interview.

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Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TreyJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been following quietly and knew something was up when they said voter turnout was low but I figured that would favour the incumbent JLP. So much for the science of polling nobody seems to have got this thing right in terms of seat count victory if some of the preliminary results being banded about are correct. There is going to be a lot of figure pointing in the JLP if these results hold beginning with of course Bruce Golding then Andrew Holness and chief campaign strategist Karl Samuda. How could they have gotten this so wrong? Mutty Perkins made the point repeatedly on his talk show that calling the elections so soon was a major mistake on Holness part and that Holness should have used the remainder of his term to prove his mettle. I feel bad for the JLP and for Jamaica. Jamaica needs a healthy opposition - the JLP could implode after this.

But IMO the lions share of the blame should be placed at the door step of Eddie Seaga. He absolutely decimated the base of the party with his one don, my way or the highway tactic in the 90s and 2000s. Even after stepping down he was still lashing out at his own party. Remember even after 18 1/2 years in power and Trafigura scandal the JLP barely eked out a 4 seat win in 2007. Jamaica was PNP country then and this still appears to hold true now. </div></div>

yu kno dat seaga was politrixx mentor fe golding ann holness

mii been chattinn dat de timinn aff de election ann tuffer restrictions fe voter id wood lead to a lower turnout dat might favor de jlp. jlp shood ave cawl de election beefour christmas wen peeps were feelinn good instead aff waitinn till aftah christmas wen a latt aff poor peeps were bawlinn oww christmas salt cah money nah run.

mii awlso chatt bout oww itt look like dem wass usinn da poll fe manipulate de voters dat y mii neva chruss dem

ja inna badd eecaanyamixx position dat will bind portia hands ann diss might eventuallee lead to jlp victoree inn da pnp nuh carefull oww dem tredd

aftah de tivoli massacre, de jlp deserve fe lose fe dendinn indefensible massacre. oww jlp diss da public sector employees soo. jlp chattinn bout reducinn public sector employment butt dem refused fe gitt details aff itt untill aftah de elekkshan. oww dem tell jamaicans dem create employment widd overseas farm jabs. jlp fe cum better nexx thyme

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Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i wonder how raymond price did, he was on the youth debate for the pnp... </div></div>
Ms. Pryce won ....first prize! </div></div>

just found out that Pryce won in my hometown of Santa Cruz, St. Elizabeth. wattating!

[Tuff Gong]

Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[just found out that Pryce won in my hometown of Santa Cruz, St. Elizabeth. wattating! </div></div>
send her flowers....she will love it!

[Tuff Gong]

Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja

http://election.jamaicaobserver.com/

Kingston
KINGSTON WESTERN (87 of 87 boxes)
PNP EARL A. DAWKINS 1825
JLP DESMOND ANTHONY A. MCKENZIE 8942 DECLARED
MGPPP ARLINGTON ANTHONY SEATON 32
KINGSTON CENTRAL (82 of 82 boxes)
PNP RONALD GEORGE THWAITES 5818 DECLARED
JLP ROSALIE M. HAMILTON 3795
MGPPP MICHAEL A. LORNE 58
KINGSTON EAST AND PORT ROYAL (84 of 84 boxes)
PNP PHILLIP FEANNY PAULWELL 8051 DECLARED
JLP PETER CURTIS A. SANGSTER 1529
St. Andrew
ST. ANDREW WEST RURAL (117 of 117 boxes)
PNP PAUL LENNOX BUCHANAN 7605 DECLARED
JLP ANDREW GALLIMORE 7433
NDM JOAN PRINCESS REV.DR. PORTEOUS 51
ST. ANDREW WESTERN (128 of 128 boxes)
JLP GEORGE DUHANEY 4220
NDM ALDITH MARY GRANT-LEE 40
PNP GEORGE ANTHONY HYLTON 9367 DECLARED
ST. ANDREW WEST CENTRAL (108 of 108 boxes)
JLP ANDREW MICHAEL HOLNESS 7844 DECLARED
PNP PATRICK LEROY ROBERTS 6723
ST. ANDREW EAST CENTRAL (109 of 109 boxes)
PNP PETER D. PHILLIPS 6867 DECLARED
MGPPP ALLAN LLOYD MARTIN 42
JLP BEVERLEY ANN MARIE PRINCE 4032
ST. ANDREW SOUTH WESTERN (86 of 86 boxes)
IND ANNMARIE EVADNE THOMAS 25
PNP PORTIA SIMPSON 10920 DECLARED
JLP VICTOR ANTHONY HYDE 560
ST. ANDREW SOUTHERN (80 of 80 boxes)
PNP OMAR LLOYD DAVIES 9667 DECLARED
JLP DENNIS ANTHONY MESSIAS 858
ST. ANDREW SOUTH EASTERN (90 of 90 boxes)
MGPPP HORACE HUGO MATTHEWS 29
JLP DWIGHT AUGUSTUS NELSON 4233
IND BYRON S. M. PATTON 11
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ST. ANDREW EASTERN (106 of 106 boxes)
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PNP ANDRE HYLTON 6566 DECLARED
NDM EARLE PATRICK DELISSER 46
ST. ANDREW NORTH EASTERN (70 of 70 boxes)
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JLP DELROY HAWMIN CHUCK 5390 DECLARED
NDM TERENCE ARTHUR J. LINDO 47
ST. ANDREW NORTH CENTRAL (83 of 83 boxes)
PNP LEANNE MARIE PHILIPS 3912
JLP KARL GEORGE SAMUDA 6192 DECLARED
ST. ANDREW NORTH WESTERN (104 of 104 boxes)
PNP GRANVILLE SEYMOUR VALENTINE 5089
JLP DERRICK CHARLES SMITH 6721 DECLARED
NDM CURTIS C CAMPBELL 51
ST. ANDREW EAST RURAL (119 of 119 boxes)
PNP DAMION O. CRAWFORD 9622 DECLARED
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JLP JOAN ASTAIRE GORDON-WEBLEY 9408
St. Thomas
ST. THOMAS WESTERN (146 of 146 boxes)
JLP JAMES RUDOLPH ROBERTSON 8884 DECLARED
MGPPP ROBERT COVER 65
PNP LEONARD CONSTANTINE GREEN 8631
ST. THOMAS EASTERN (119 of 119 boxes)
JLP DR. PATRECE CHARLES-FREEMAN 7547
PNP FENTON R. I. FERGUSON 8039 DECLARED
MGPPP IAN A. FLEMING 37
Portland
PORTLAND EASTERN (120 of 120 boxes)
PNP LYNVALE GEORGE BLOOMFIELD 9127 DECLARED
JLP PATRICK MONTCLAIR LEE 8164
PORTLAND WESTERN (101 of 101 boxes)
NDM PETER ANTHONY FLEMMINGS 18
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JLP DARYL W. VAZ 7350 DECLARED
St. Mary
ST. MARY SOUTH EASTERN (105 of 105 boxes)
PNP WINSTON GREEN 7514 DECLARED
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ST. MARY CENTRAL (97 of 97 boxes)
PNP MORAIS V. GUY 8580 DECLARED
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ST. MARY WESTERN (127 of 127 boxes)
JLP ROBERT ST AUBYN MONTAGUE 9434
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St. Ann
ST. ANN SOUTH EASTERN (124 of 124 boxes)
PNP LISA RENE HANNA 8909 DECLARED
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ST. ANN NORTH EASTERN (121 of 121 boxes)
JLP SHAHINE ELIZABETH ROBINSON 9532 DECLARED
PNP PAUL T. A. STEWART 8437
ST. ANN NORTH WESTERN (118 of 118 boxes)
JLP OTHNEIL DAMION LAWRENCE 7785
PNP DAYTON RICARDO CAMPBELL 8753 DECLARED
ST. ANN SOUTH WESTERN (101 of 101 boxes)
JLP ERNEST A. SMITH 5678
IND ANDREW WAYNE WILLIS 84
PNP KEITH ANTHONY WALFORD 6510 DECLARED
Trelawny
TRELAWNY NORTHERN (136 of 136 boxes)
JAM RAS ASTOR BLACK 57
JLP DENNIS MEADOWS 8562
PNP PATRICK ATKINSON 10837 DECLARED
TRELAWNY SOUTHERN (81 of 81 boxes)
JLP MARISA DALRYMPLE-PHILIBERT 6265 DECLARED
PNP LYNDEL LENNOX FRATER 4662
St. James
ST. JAMES EAST CENTRAL (102 of 102 boxes)
IND ROYSTAN W. RICHARDS 33
PNP CEDRIC H. STEWART 6206
JLP EDMUND CURTIS BARTLETT 6385 DECLARED
ST. JAMES NORTH WESTERN (94 of 94 boxes)
JLP HORACE A. CHANG 6019 DECLARED
PNP HENRY GEORGE MC CURDY 4865
ST. JAMES CENTRAL (93 of 93 boxes)
PNP LLOYD B. SMITH 5617 DECLARED
JLP HEROY ANTHONY CLARKE 5566
ST. JAMES WEST CENTRAL (93 of 93 boxes)
PNP SHARON A. FFOLKES ABRAHAMS 6186 DECLARED
MGPPP CLIFFORD SEPTIMUS BARNETT 20
JLP CLIVE ARTHUR MULLINGS 5517
ST. JAMES SOUTHERN (99 of 99 boxes)
JLP HOMER EDWARD DAVIS 6086
PNP DERRICK L. F. KELLIER 7189 DECLARED
Hanover
HANOVER EASTERN (91 of 91 boxes)
JLP PAULA KERR-JARRETT 6566
PNP DONALD K. (D.K) DUNCAN 6808 DECLARED
HANOVER WESTERN (102 of 102 boxes)
PNP IAN DAVE HAYLES 8569 DECLARED
JLP DONOVAN E. A. HAMILTON 6909
Westmoreland
WESTMORELAND WESTERN (114 of 114 boxes)
PNP KENNETH WYKEHAM MCNEIL 8888 DECLARED
JLP CAREY A.M. WALLACE 5235
WESTMORELAND CENTRAL (155 of 155 boxes)
JLP MARLENE MALAHOO FORTE 8484
PNP ROGER H. C. CLARKE 11558 DECLARED
WESTMORELAND EASTERN (116 of 116 boxes)
PNP LUTHER BUCHANAN 7971 DECLARED
JLP DONN A. O. FOOTE 3039
St. Elizabeth
ST. ELIZABETH NORTH WESTERN (85 of 85 boxes)
PNP RICHARD GARFIELD ROWE 4828
JLP WILLIAM J. C. HUTCHINSON 5584 DECLARED
ST. ELIZABETH NORTH EASTERN (112 of 112 boxes)
JLP CORRIS KENROY SAMUELS 5492
PNP RAYMOND FRANKLYN PRYCE 9559 DECLARED
ST. ELIZABETH SOUTH WESTERN (101 of 101 boxes)
JLP CHRISTOPHER C. TUFTON 9426 DECLARED
PNP HUGH C. BUCHANAN 9325
ST. ELIZABETH SOUTH EASTERN (98 of 98 boxes)
PNP RICHARD ANTONIO PARCHMENT 10103 DECLARED
JLP FRANKLIN R. WITTER 8694
Manchester
MANCHESTER SOUTHERN (111 of 111 boxes)
PNP MICHAEL PEART 9547 DECLARED
JLP COLLIN A. VIRGO 7040
MANCHESTER CENTRAL (123 of 123 boxes)
JLP DANVILLE A. L. WALKER 10042
PNP PETER MURCOTT BUNTING 10481 DECLARED
MANCHESTER NORTH WESTERN (100 of 100 boxes)
PNP MICKAEL A. PHILLIPS 8462 DECLARED
JLP TIMOTHY AUGUSTINE SCARLETT 6308
MANCHESTER NORTH EASTERN (101 of 101 boxes)
JLP AUDLEY FITZALBERT SHAW 8326 DECLARED
PNP VALENTON ORLANDO WINT 7832
Clarendon
CLARENDON NORTH WESTERN (105 of 105 boxes)
JLP MICHAEL STERN 7143
PNP RICHARD EDWARD AZAN 8342 DECLARED
CLARENDON NORTHERN (94 of 94 boxes)
NDM ETON CEDRIC WILLIAMS 20
JLP LAURENCE GEORGE BRODERICK 5963
PNP HORACE WASHINGTON DALLEY 7645 DECLARED
CLARENDON NORTH CENTRAL (99 of 99 boxes)
PNP COLLINGTON R. CAMPBELL 4801
JLP PEARNEL P. CHARLES 6595 DECLARED
CLARENDON CENTRAL (106 of 106 boxes)
JLP LESTER MICHAEL HENRY 7111 DECLARED
PNP RICHARD WATSON 4133
CLARENDON SOUTH WESTERN (94 of 94 boxes)
JLP JOEL LAWRENCE WILLIAMS 5529
PNP NOEL GEORGE ARSCOTT 7702 DECLARED
CLARENDON SOUTH EASTERN (124 of 124 boxes)
PNP DERECK LLOYD LAMBERT 8684
JLP RUDYARD CONRAD SPENCER 8770 DECLARED
St. Catherine
ST. CATHERINE NORTH WESTERN (110 of 110 boxes)
PNP ROBERT DIXON PICKERSGILL 7591 DECLARED
IND GENE ALEXANDER GUTHRIE 25
JLP SANDRA-MARIE NESBETH 4640
ST. CATHERINE SOUTH WESTERN (122 of 122 boxes)
PNP ANTHONY L. EWBANKS 8184
JLP CLIFFORD EVERALD WARMINGTON 9096 DECLARED
MGPPP UPTON ERIC BLAKE 35
ST. CATHERINE SOUTHERN (128 of 128 boxes)
JLP KEITH OLIVER HINDS 5570
PNP FITZ ARTHUR JACKSON 8854 DECLARED
ST. CATHERINE CENTRAL (98 of 98 boxes)
JLP OLIVIA (BABSY) GRANGE 7827 DECLARED
PNP MAURICE W. A. WESTNEY 2257
ST. CATHERINE SOUTH EASTERN (115 of 115 boxes)
JLP KEITH BLAKE 6531
MGPPP LEON CHACE BURRELL 76
PNP COLIN A. FAGAN 8151 DECLARED
ST. CATHERINE NORTH CENTRAL (97 of 97 boxes)
MGPPP GARTH W. BARNETT 40
PNP NATALIE NEITA-HEADLEY 6690 DECLARED
JLP RAYMOTH NOTICE 4569
ST. CATHERINE WEST CENTRAL (107 of 107 boxes)
PNP CLINTON CLARKE 4490
JLP KENNETH LEE O'NEIL BAUGH 6481 DECLARED
ST. CATHERINE NORTH EASTERN (106 of 106 boxes)
JLP DESMOND GREGORY MAIR 5777 DECLARED
PNP ABRAHAM J. DABDOUB 5157
ST. CATHERINE EASTERN (110 of 110 boxes)
JLP SHARON HAY WEBSTER 5589
PNP J DENISE DALEY 8747 DECLARED
ST. CATHERINE SOUTH CENTRAL (94 of 94 boxes)
JLP ANDREW O'BRIEN WHEATLEY 6667 DECLARED
PNP VINCENT URIAH MORRISON 3679
ST. CATHERINE EAST CENTRAL (81 of 81 boxes)
JLP SUZETTE C. BUCHANAN 5162
PNP ARNALDO A. BROWN 5738 DECLARED

[Tuff Gong]

UPDATE: Tufton Loses His Seat

<span style="font-weight: bold">UPDATE: Tufton Loses His Seat</span>

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=34276

[Tuff Gong]

Re: uptodate results fr electoral commision of Ja


<a href="http://gallery.jamaica-gleaner.com/gallery/jamaica-labour-party-faces-defeat/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
<span style="font-size: 14pt">The Victory cake of the Jamica Labour Party, untouched</span>.</a>

[Wahalla]

Re: UPDATE: Tufton Loses His Seat

Danny Buck son....

[Tuff Gong]

Re: UPDATE: Tufton Loses His Seat

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Danny Buck son.... </div></div>

Yep ..Dem lie ...Dem Lie....!