excessive force?

[blugiant]

Re: excessive force?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KF_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the police tell you to lower or drop a gun, even if it is a toy gun and you refuse, my view is you are committing suicide. You cannot always blame the cops.

I'm not saying there are not blatant acts of brutality and corruption by police everywhere but when a gun, or something that even resembles a gun comes into play the perpetrator deserves what they get.

No sympathy here! The parents should have taught the youth that lesson. They let down their son. </div></div>

suicide nuh killinn yuself so oww wood de persan be cammittinn suicide. yu seyinn dat a yuth inn mentall distress deserve fe be killed wen dere wass addar ways fe resolved de situation peacefullee. killinn sum wan iss a last resort aftah awl addar aptions ar xxhausted. cah a yuth inn mental distress neva fallaw arder did natt meen dem add fe shoot. imagine oww dat will affekk de addar yuths inn da school wen dem ear de gunshot ann later find out de police killed wan aff dem schoolmate. or do yu tink dem police feel aftah findinn out dem killed a yuth widd a pellets gun cah dem neva xxhausted awl mean fe peacefullee resolve de situation. de police shood ave placed demselves inn a secure location ann talk de yuth dunn

[blugiant]

Re: excessive force?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
witchee mii awlways a sey mzungu pon yah less racist dan addar oyinbo cah dem xxposed to blakk peeps bunninn fiyah pon racism

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">This ^ is entirely possible. I'm white, but the black people here aren't black people, they're my friends. Incidentally, they are also black. Just as my neighbors are my neighbors, not black strangers.</span></span>

de argument dat affend mzungu iss wen blakks like mii sey awl mzungu racist cah a latt aff dem wood natt knowinglee support racism. tink pon itt diss way wan mzungu woo doan tink dem racism wukk fe wan organization widd institutional racism ann try fe fallow de rules aff dat organization inn a non racist way. dat individual might natt feel dem racist butt bye wukkinn fe de racist organization de defendinn racism so dat mekk dem racist

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Hmm. I think you're on very shaky ground here ^, Blakkgiant. I don't think I can agree with all of this. A job is a job. A company is a company. Barring overt excesses, just because one works for an employer who may be part of Babylon doesn't make that person racist.</span></span>

de police went to dat school ann saw a yuth &quot;brandishing&quot; a weapon. so dem saw de yuth wavinn a weapon felt threaten ann killed de yuth. broader view iss guns illegal inn texas :no. do texas ave a histaree aff racism: yes. wasn't de alamo fought cah oyinbo wanted fe mekk texas a slave state even dough texas a part aff mexico outlawed slaveree: yes. wass texas de last state to free enslaved afrikkans: juneteenth ting. ar blakk ann latino yuths still more likelee fe bee treated inn a racist manner :yes. ar blakk ann latino yuths stereotype as more violent prone: yes. do oyinbo ave xxagerated fear aff blakk ann latino yuths: yes. wass the killinn aff de yuth influence by oyinbo unnatural fear aff de latino yuth: yess. didd de police fallow procedures: doan kno. lethal force iss a last resort ann itt iss possible dat police used lethal force because aff racist stereotypes ann fear aff da latino yuth

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">I really can't say much about Texas; I've only ever been there three times - once - circa 1997 - to Fort Worth to empty a storage unit and drive the loaded moving truck back to NJ; once - circa 1987 - to a Mary Kay seminar in Dallas; once - in 2007 - to Houston to carry on with a cop for a week. lol (not really to carry on with him, but to visit him)</span></span>

y didd de police have to react so quicklee wen waitinn out de latino yuth cood ave peacefullee resolved de situation? natt chattinn bout shootinn de yuth inn de arm ann legs, wat mii chatt bout iss y de need to shoot in de furst place? were was de crisis negotiator, were wass de conflict resolution xxpert. de police reacted too quicklee inn tekkinn da yuth life ann itt leff a latt aff unanwsar qwestian ann pain. iff de proper procedure was fallawed den itt thyme fe change dem procedures

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">That's what I asked earlier: Why no negotiator? Why no SWAT? SWAT could have easily taken the boy alive and uninjured.

I don't know the answers to any of these questions.</span></span>

wan aff de best advocate against police unjust kill is a jewish madder woo son wass killed bye police because imm add a hammer ann refused to dropped. de jewish communitee protested ann de jewish madder woo son wass killed bye de police iss protestinn widd blakk tryinn fe change ting cah as shi sed &quot;she now understand&quot;

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Was this ^ the case in Brooklyn? </span></span></div></div>
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yess de case wass inn brooklyn

[johnnycakes]

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BG,
You are so screwed up that you don't even know that you're a racist-you call all white people racist which is a generalization and something that all white racists do when they talk about people of color.

Your homophobia is based on Bronze Age morality and on sexual activities that a huge percentage of heterosexual couples practice but to you, when two people of the same sex do it, it somehow becomes immoral . You must have a most boring sex life.

You say you love and respect all people and that is clearly not true based on what you post. You don't love or respect most white people and bun fiyah pon ALL homosexuals.

Some Christian.

And don't take all the credit for my leaving the board. As I wrote, it would appear most people who post here, the majority being Jamaican, agree with you since there have been no other comments but mine opposed to your anti-social posts.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to business with the backward anti-social thinking exhibited here.

Perhaps when Jamaicans lose the burden of superstition, reliance on the white man's BS religions, the white oppressor's governmental and the white oppressors economic forms that so impoverish and degrade life for Jamaicans, I'll happily come back.

But you know as well as I that mental slavery is not the exception but the rule for most Jamaicans.

Black Jamaicans bleach their skins, straighten their hair, follow white man's styles and generally have adopted the ways of white people.

Have you never considered how irrational it is for you to be so constant in your proclaimed dislike for whites and for you to possess a morality based on the white man's religion and to basically support the white man's economic and undemocratic political system that so disproportionately disadvantages people of color ?

Again , it would appear that you are so far out of touch with reality that these contradictions never cross your mind.

That way of thinking can lead to no good for you or humanity.

I'm done here.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: excessive force?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When read in context I think you and Witchy may be saying the same thing.

Sometimes words get in the way........... </div></div>
Thank you, RC.

I really hate it when somebody deliberately takes my words out of context to twist them to mean something other than what I said/meant. Note that he didn't quote y entire statement - only one portion of it... and then he twisted it. Or tried to twist it.

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
why I have stopped participating here. </div></div>
Hi, johnnycakes!

It's good to see you. I've missed you.

Sorry that you still appear to wish not to participate here on j'com.
I understand your reasons... God knows! Too bad.

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
suicide nuh killinn yuself so oww wood de persan be cammittinn suicide. yu seyinn dat a yuth inn mentall distress deserve fe be killed wen dere wass addar ways fe resolved de situation peacefullee. killinn sum wan iss a last resort aftah awl addar aptions ar xxhausted. cah a yuth inn mental distress neva fallaw arder did natt meen dem add fe shoot. imagine oww dat will affekk de addar yuths inn da school wen dem ear de gunshot ann later find out de police killed wan aff dem schoolmate. or do yu tink dem police feel aftah findinn out dem killed a yuth widd a pellets gun cah dem neva xxhausted awl mean fe peacefullee resolve de situation. de police shood ave placed demselves inn a secure location ann talk de yuth dunn </div></div>
It's not really truly suicide, in that the boy was clearly mentally disturbed. (No one of sound mind would threaten armed police with a gun like that... it would indeed be 'suicide by cop'.)

Sadly, this was a lose-lose proposition all the way around... but blakk, it would have been worse if they had tried and failed to talk the sick boy down and he had managed to shoot some of his schoolmates. After all, they believed the gun to be real and loaded. It is simply <span style="font-style: italic">NOT</span> so easy as you make it sound to do some of these things; this isn't T.V.!

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
yess de case wass inn brooklyn</div></div>
Yeah, I thought I recognized it.

[MarieK]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BG,
You are so screwed up that you don't even know that you're a racist-you call all white people racist which is a generalization and something that all white racists do when they talk about people of color.

Your homophobia is based on Bronze Age morality and on sexual activities that a huge percentage of heterosexual couples practice but to you, when two people of the same sex do it, it somehow becomes immoral . You must have a most boring sex life.

You say you love and respect all people and that is clearly not true based on what you post. You don't love or respect most white people and bun fiyah pon ALL homosexuals.

Some Christian.

And don't take all the credit for my leaving the board. As I wrote, it would appear most people who post here, the majority being Jamaican, agree with you since there have been no other comments but mine opposed to your anti-social posts.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to business with the backward anti-social thinking exhibited here.

Perhaps when Jamaicans lose the burden of superstition, reliance on the white man's BS religions, the white oppressor's governmental and the white oppressors economic forms that so impoverish and degrade life for Jamaicans, I'll happily come back.

But you know as well as I that mental slavery is not the exception but the rule for most Jamaicans.

Black Jamaicans bleach their skins, straighten their hair, follow white man's styles and generally have adopted the ways of white people.

Have you never considered how irrational it is for you to be so constant in your proclaimed dislike for whites and for you to possess a morality based on the white man's religion and to basically support the white man's economic and undemocratic political system that so disproportionately disadvantages people of color ?

Again , it would appear that you are so far out of touch with reality that these contradictions never cross your mind.

That way of thinking can lead to no good for you or humanity.

I'm done here.

</div></div>

[RichD]

Re: excessive force?

[WitchyOoman]

Re: excessive force?

So, Rich, do you think that cop ^ should, or should not, have kicked the woman back?

[Nunya]

Re: excessive force?

He kicked her in the face. Flippin heck!

Saw something similar outside my window once... three or four cops, beating and kneeling on a girl as she laid handcuffed, on her stomach in the middle of the street. The more she screamed and verbally abused them, the more they whacked her and pushed her face into the pavement.

Cops

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, Rich, do you think that cop ^ should, or should not, have kicked the woman back? </div></div>

i see no reason for kicking her

[Cultcha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>

I think we all agree there is bad policing found EVERYWHERE.

Regardless of what our general view is however, cops have a high stress job. Could you do that job? I know I couldn't! And when cops show up at a call with a gun in play. In the back of their mind they are going to do anything necessary to protect themselves and make sure they get home safely that night to hug their kids.

[mountaingal]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KF_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>

I think we all agree there is bad policing found EVERYWHERE.

Regardless of what our general view is however, cops have a high stress job. Could you do that job? I know I couldn't! And when cops show up at a call with a gun in play. In the back of their mind they are going to do anything necessary to protect themselves and make sure they get home safely that night to hug their kids. </div></div>

Milo, earlier this week there was a news item about a man who was brandishing a gun, and held police at bay for a while, there was a number of cops with guns drawn. the guy later surrendered, and it was found that he had a fake gun.

i looked at the images of the cops all with their guns waiting for this guy to make a move, and without even seeing the guy, i knew he was white (which he was). had it been a black man, he would have been shot and wrapped up, hands dusted.

i'm surprised at the excuse you are making that what drives a cop is staying alive to go home to their families. so essentially, u are giving them a pass to apply aggression as a first resort. that's not the job of a cop, and if they cannot manage it, they should get out of the profession.

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, Rich, do you think that cop ^ should, or should not, have kicked the woman back? </div></div>

i see no reason for kicking her </div></div>
And I see no reason for her to have kicked his knee laterally. A good proper kick to the knee like that can bust it up pretty badly. Not that hers was good hard kick...