excessive force?

[WitchyOoman]

Re: excessive force?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xKs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i tried a different approach..
forget about the lady being kicked.. instead, while watching the vid imagine that the angry cop was somone you know.. a friend, a brother, a son, a father..
after watching that, I'd have some serious questions about the mind of such a person.. DISTANCE and a DOCTOR would be in order..
Its even more sickening to imagine knowing the kicker as a family or friend..</div></div>
That's ^ an interesting approach. Well, perhaps terrifying is a better word than interesting... I'll admit, xKs, doing this exercise of yours <span style="text-decoration: underline">did</span> make me think about it differently - and definitely <span style="font-style: italic">NOT</span> in a good way!

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
yet some idiots commenting on the video can always find a way to justify it...</div></div>
There's ^ your problem, right there.

&quot;Some idiots on the video&quot;... Don't you know that the stupidest people know the most about everything? And must tell everyone just so? It's so easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. Those kind of commenters are all stupid! </div></div>

yes i can call someone an idiot...i've been called worse...your post does not change my opinion...
i saw a cop bash a 15-yr-old handcuffed girl's head into the floor...and some people who were commenting on the video had the opinion that the cop was justified...
i am of the opinion that they are idiots

if the cap don't fit don't wear it

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">him wi get awf pon dis case..everybody know seh white cops no mistreat white females... </div></div>

it's universal...cops brutalize everyone, if some more than others...after all how many complaints against white cops do you hear in jamaica

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
yet some idiots commenting on the video can always find a way to justify it...</div></div>
There's ^ your problem, right there.

&quot;Some idiots on the video&quot;... Don't you know that the stupidest people know the most about everything? And must tell everyone just so? It's so easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. Those kind of commenters are all stupid! </div></div>

yes i can call someone an idiot...i've been called worse...your post does not change my opinion...
i saw a cop bash a 15-yr-old handcuffed girl's head into the floor...and some people who were commenting on the video had the opinion that the cop was justified...
i am of the opinion that they are idiots

if the cap don't fit don't wear it </div></div>
I think you misunderstood me, jah_yout. I agreed with you. I was agreeing that those kinds of people <span style="font-style: italic">ARE INDEED</span> idiots. Go back and re-read what I said; I was agreeing with you! dwl

I wasn't calling <span style="font-style: italic">you</span> the idiot.

[CyberPhobic]

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Ohh well, and tuh tink dis awwgyument did a go on suh civil. I guess a time fi dis lack dung now.

Mi enjoyed di exchange still but mi nuh kno a wen &quot;grown-arse peeple&quot; aguh learn fi disagree widd a nedda grown-arse smaddy widdout di name calling and di belittling.

And a dem sayme wan a claim fi fite gense violence and bad-mine.

[RichD]

Re: excessive force?



JUST WEST OF TORONTO


OAKVILLE When Kyle and Katherine Newman moved to Boston about five years ago, it was together as a family. When they returned to Ontario last year, it was to two separate Oakville addresses, their relationship in tatters.

Both were killed Thursday, leaving behind three young sons, aged 12, 10 and 7.

Katherine died inside her Treetop Terrace townhome, in a quiet suburb near Upper Middle Road West and Dorval Drive. Her body was discovered shortly before noon, the apparent victim of a stabbing.

Her death is being investigated by homicide detectives.

A distraught Kyle was shot dead by Halton police after a confrontation with officers around 11:30 a.m. in the parking lot outside 20 Division police station, near Dundas Street East and Trafalgar Road.

Neither Halton police or the Ontario Special Investigations Unit, which is probing Kyle's death have confirmed a link between the two incidents.

However, Halton Sergeant Dave Cross said Friday police are not looking for a suspect in Katherine Newman's death.

Katherine Newman, 43, who was also known as Bunny, is the daughter of retired prominent Hamilton judge Walter Stayshyn.

“She is the last person that something like this should ever have happened to,” said longtime family friend Bill Morris, 77. “She was just a kind human being.”

Kyle Newman’s death is being investigated by the Special Investigations Unit — a civilian body that investigates when someone is seriously injured or killed in an incident involving police.

Halton police spokesperson Sergeant Dave Cross would only say that there was an “interaction between some of our uniformed officers and the individual that required the notification of the Special Investigations Unit.”

No officers were injured.

SIU spokesperson Monica Hudon confirmed the man was causing damage in the police station’s parking lot. When more than one officer came out to confront the man, he was fatally shot.

He was pronounced dead on scene; his body lay on the pavement under a grey tarp, awaiting SIU investigators.

A few metres away was a silver Nissan that appeared to have struck a Halton police van. The Nissan had a smashed right front fender and the driver’s door was wide open.

Hudon would not comment on the number of times the man was shot, the number of officers who discharged their guns or any other details of the police shooting.

The SIU will only investigate the police shooting, and not any crimes that led up to the shooting, she said.

On Treetop Terrace, neighbours were shocked.

Yellow police tape blocked the entrance to the front of Katherine Newman’s townhouse and also the rear parking garage where a minivan sat with its doors open.

Police said an acquaintance had arrived at the home, found the woman’s body and called police. Officers from the tactical and homicide units descended on the neighbourhood.

Alethea Yi lives across the road from Newman and said she heard nothing Wednesday morning before police arrived.

Neighbourhood residents Gail Korol and Peggy Wallace both said they also heard nothing.

They described Newman as a friendly woman whose boys played hockey.

She had moved in last summer.

Several streets away on Owlridge Drive, police guarded a home. Kyle Newman is listed on the title of that property.

Neighbours said a man in his early 40s lived there with an older woman, perhaps his mother. He had sons often seen playing hockey or basketball outside, said neighbour Fritz Jordaan.

The man also moved into his home in the summer of 2010.

Jordaan said the man used to drive a Honda Acura with U.S. licence plates, but around November he started driving a silver Nissan Altima.

At the police station scene, it appeared Kyle Neman was driving a silver Nissan Altima, with licence plates registered to a rental company. He had rammed the car into at least one other in the parking lot.

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[Cultcha]

Re: excessive force?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

JUST WEST OF TORONTO


OAKVILLE When Kyle and Katherine Newman moved to Boston about five years ago, it was together as a family. When they returned to Ontario last year, it was to two separate Oakville addresses, their relationship in tatters.

Both were killed Thursday, leaving behind three young sons, aged 12, 10 and 7.

Katherine died inside her Treetop Terrace townhome, in a quiet suburb near Upper Middle Road West and Dorval Drive. Her body was discovered shortly before noon, the apparent victim of a stabbing.

Her death is being investigated by homicide detectives.

A distraught Kyle was shot dead by Halton police after a confrontation with officers around 11:30 a.m. in the parking lot outside 20 Division police station, near Dundas Street East and Trafalgar Road.

Neither Halton police or the Ontario Special Investigations Unit, which is probing Kyle's death have confirmed a link between the two incidents.

However, Halton Sergeant Dave Cross said Friday police are not looking for a suspect in Katherine Newman's death.

Katherine Newman, 43, who was also known as Bunny, is the daughter of retired prominent Hamilton judge Walter Stayshyn.

“She is the last person that something like this should ever have happened to,” said longtime family friend Bill Morris, 77. “She was just a kind human being.”

Kyle Newman’s death is being investigated by the Special Investigations Unit — a civilian body that investigates when someone is seriously injured or killed in an incident involving police.

Halton police spokesperson Sergeant Dave Cross would only say that there was an “interaction between some of our uniformed officers and the individual that required the notification of the Special Investigations Unit.”

No officers were injured.

SIU spokesperson Monica Hudon confirmed the man was causing damage in the police station’s parking lot. When more than one officer came out to confront the man, he was fatally shot.

He was pronounced dead on scene; his body lay on the pavement under a grey tarp, awaiting SIU investigators.

A few metres away was a silver Nissan that appeared to have struck a Halton police van. The Nissan had a smashed right front fender and the driver’s door was wide open.

Hudon would not comment on the number of times the man was shot, the number of officers who discharged their guns or any other details of the police shooting.

The SIU will only investigate the police shooting, and not any crimes that led up to the shooting, she said.

On Treetop Terrace, neighbours were shocked.

Yellow police tape blocked the entrance to the front of Katherine Newman’s townhouse and also the rear parking garage where a minivan sat with its doors open.

Police said an acquaintance had arrived at the home, found the woman’s body and called police. Officers from the tactical and homicide units descended on the neighbourhood.

Alethea Yi lives across the road from Newman and said she heard nothing Wednesday morning before police arrived.

Neighbourhood residents Gail Korol and Peggy Wallace both said they also heard nothing.

They described Newman as a friendly woman whose boys played hockey.

She had moved in last summer.

Several streets away on Owlridge Drive, police guarded a home. Kyle Newman is listed on the title of that property.

Neighbours said a man in his early 40s lived there with an older woman, perhaps his mother. He had sons often seen playing hockey or basketball outside, said neighbour Fritz Jordaan.

The man also moved into his home in the summer of 2010.

Jordaan said the man used to drive a Honda Acura with U.S. licence plates, but around November he started driving a silver Nissan Altima.

At the police station scene, it appeared Kyle Neman was driving a silver Nissan Altima, with licence plates registered to a rental company. He had rammed the car into at least one other in the parking lot.

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Not a lot in the way of details have been released regarding what took place in the parking lot at the police station to cause the police to shoot this guy. My guess would be that he was a danger to the public with his driving and using his vehicle with intention to cause harm to police or the public. Perhaps the decision to STOP him was made so he could not head out on the road and continue his carnage.

Again, I'm just guessing. We'll have to wait and see what the official explanation is.

[RichD]

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picture mek it look like dem shoot him outside the car

[Cultcha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">picture mek it look like dem shoot him outside the car


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Possible!

However, they would have to get him out of the drivers seat to administer first aid and CPR would they not? Since the photo of the car is limited it's hard to tell.

perhaps he was able to make it out of the car on his own steam before dropping.

We'll see.

[RichD]

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well the window on the drivers side we can see is not broken...from what we can see no bullet holes i nthe car...witness sey dem hear up to10 shots

[Cultcha]

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Rich, do you have any police officers in your family or perhaps in your circle of friends?

Just wondering?

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KF_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rich, do you have any police officers in your family or perhaps in your circle of friends?

Just wondering? </div></div>

yes i do

judges and prosecutor too

[RichD]

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<span style="font-weight: bold">Toronto police shoot and kill man with scissors wearing hospital gown</span>

Neighbours who watched police shoot dead a 29-year-old man wearing a hospital gown in Toronto’s east end Friday are questioning whether excessive force was used.

Douglas Pritchard, who was 10 metres away, said there were enough police around to subdue the victim on Milverton Blvd., a few blocks south of Toronto East General Hospital.

But another neighbour, also close, believes police had no other choice.

The shooting occurred about 20 minutes after paramedics were called to a stabbing inside a nearby convenience store, at the corner of Sammon and Woodington Aves., across from the hospital.

An EMS official said those injuries were minor.

Witnesses reported that the man arrived on Milverton just after 10 a.m. and began banging on the back door of a house and trying to get in.

The man — who witnesses described as wearing no shoes and wielding two pairs of scissors — was fatally shot on the quiet residential street at around 10:15 a.m.

He was taken to St. Michael’s Hospital where he was pronounced dead. The victim has not yet been identified.

Toronto police would not provide details of the shooting because it is now being probed by the province’s Special Investigations Unit.

In previous cases of police shootings where the use of deadly force has been questioned, officer have said they are trained to shoot at the centre of the body, not arms or legs.

However, the incident has raised alarming concerns for Pritchard, 63, who was out running with his dog.

Pritchard said he saw a middle-aged man, about 5-foot-8 with dark hair and wearing a blue shirt that looked like a hospital gown. About five or six officers were behind the man trying to grab or restrain him and another two or three were in front, Pritchard said.

“And then I saw one officer raise his arm and fire at him point blank three shots,” said Pritchard, adding the shots were fired from about half a metre away.

Pritchard said that, as far as he could see, the man was not brandishing any weapons.

He fell to the pavement and police jumped on top of him, still trying to restrain him while his body was writhing, said Pritchard, adding the officers continued to restrain the man until his body stopped moving.

“My concern is, is this a man with mental health issues? From the time I came on the scene they had him surrounded with 11 police cars in total. I counted. There must have been 15 officers around this man in total,” said Pritchard.

“Was this an appropriate use of force in this situation? Was there a mental health team on site?”

People need to know the answers to these questions, he said.

“It gives me a real concern to see that level of force applied and someone shot on our streets,” Pritchard said.

Another neighbour, Chad, who would only give his first name, said the shooting occurred in front of his house.

He said the victim was walking toward police with his arms outstretched and a pair of scissors in each hand.

“Stop, stop, stop,” police said to the man, according to Chad, who believes the officers were justified in their actions. “They did their job. They had no choice.”

A police officer also suffered minor injuries in the incident.

The victim is believed to have come from Toronto East General Hospital, although it’s unclear why the man was at the hospital.

Toronto East spokeswoman Angela Pappaianni said the hospital could not answer any questions because of the ongoing investigation.

“We are cooperating with the SIU,” she said.

With files from Zoe Knight