Whitney Houston dead

[Tropicana]

Re: whitney houston dead at 48

I think my question is pretty clear.

I think record and movie producers often gloss over the truth and present an image that is not truly the real person. They project what they think will sell and often do it at the expense of the real person. For example, remember when she was booed when she got an award on one of the Black shows (I think Soul Train) as people were criticizing her for being too "white"? They were discussing this on CNN the other night.

I don't think we have been given the full picture. To see what I mean, watch the inteview with Diane Sawyer and you will see a very vulnerable and tormented woman.

Here is another example. We have always been told about the girl who grew up in the church with a loving mother. Come to think of it, nothing was said about her father. In the Diane Sawyer interview, Whitney was so upset when discussing her father that she asked to have the camera turned off. It also came out that her siblings had drug arrests. Clearly something is very wrong with this picture. This was a woman in deep pain and there is more to this story than good girl meets Bobby Brown and gets hooked on drugs.

I find it hard to believe that those around her couldn't have done anything to save her and see to it that she got the help she so desperately needed. Ditto for the long list of names published ealier in this discussion.

Now she is gone. Her mother, daughter, friends and fans around the world are devastated. I just don't think it had to end this way if those around her had been more interested in her welfare than projecting an image to make money.

[St_Bess]

Re: whitney houston dead at 48

Such a tragic loss to her family especially her daughter. Right now everyone is an authority on Whitney. I go to the beauty parlor in her old neighborhood and will be pretty near to the church this Saturday. A lot of folks come from so called bad neighborhood but I believe Whitney left Newark at about 4 or 5 years old after the riots. Forty-five years ago East Orange was not a bad neighborhood to grow up - she actually went to a catholic high school (so I heard). Even NJ's Governor Christie was born in Newark. Remember the question "Can anything good come from Nazareth - refering to Jesus. The music/entertainment industry is full of hard core drug adicts it is very hard to stay away from illegal and legal drugs plus these doctors who prescribed meds and the entertainers or actors are always looking for something to keep them up and another to make them sleep. As a mother of two adult children I feel for Whitney's mother it is one of the hardest thing a parent can ever do and it is to bury your children.

[applepie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: St_Bess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Such a tragic loss to her family especially her daughter. Right now everyone is an authority on Whitney. I go to the beauty parlor in her old neighborhood and will be pretty near to the church this Saturday. A lot of folks come from so called bad neighborhood but I believe Whitney left Newark at about 4 or 5 years old after the riots. Forty-five years ago East Orange was not a bad neighborhood to grow up - she actually went to a catholic high school (so I heard). Even NJ's Governor Christie was born in Newark. Remember the question &quot;Can anything good come from Nazareth - refering to Jesus. The music/entertainment industry is full of hard core drug adicts it is very hard to stay away from illegal and legal drugs plus these doctors who prescribed meds and the entertainers or actors are always looking for something to keep them up and another to make them sleep. As a mother of two adult children I feel for Whitney's mother it is one of the hardest thing a parent can ever do and it is to bury your children. </div></div>

[Tropicana]

Re: whitney houston dead at 48

Me too.

You know they really have to crack down on these doctors. These celebrities are dying from prescription drug abuses not illegal street drugs. The pharmaceutical industry and medical practitioners need to be slapped with some heavy fines and some of the pharma CEOs and doctors need to start doing jail time. This has got to stop.

[Wendy]

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In a sad twisted way I agree with you. Ditto to those around her that DID jack squiddle to help her.. But as I have said elsewhere Whitney was not serious at times in getting help for herself either. I just could not understand her defiance and defensive attitude at times. It bothered me


Now yes we all know she had a beautiful voice, Grammys up the ying yang.. yaadi yaah..but the bottom line is that voice is <span style="font-weight: bold">silenced</span> and silenced for GOOD! Did it really have to end this way ..so soon??? That is the question.

This is not even a question just for Whitney ..It's MJ and all those who made that horrible list of people dying prematurely due to demons - whether it be due to intention or intentional drug use I want this to stop. And many are saying that this industry need to look deep within itself. These deaths are <span style="font-style: italic">preventable and unnecessary </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think my question is pretty clear.

I think record and movie producers often gloss over the truth and present an image that is not truly the real person. They project what they think will sell and often do it at the expense of the real person. For example, remember when she was booed when she got an award on one of the Black shows (I think Soul Train) as people were criticizing her for being too &quot;white&quot;? They were discussing this on CNN the other night.

I don't think we have been given the full picture. To see what I mean, watch the inteview with Diane Sawyer and you will see a very vulnerable and tormented woman.

Here is another example. We have always been told about the girl who grew up in the church with a loving mother. Come to think of it, nothing was said about her father. In the Diane Sawyer interview, Whitney was so upset when discussing her father that she asked to have the camera turned off. It also came out that her siblings had drug arrests. Clearly something is very wrong with this picture. This was a woman in deep pain and there is more to this story than good girl meets Bobby Brown and gets hooked on drugs.

I find it hard to believe that those around her couldn't have done anything to save her and see to it that she got the help she so desperately needed. Ditto for the long list of names published ealier in this discussion.

Now she is gone. Her mother, daughter, friends and fans around the world are devastated. I just don't think it had to end this way if those around her had been more interested in her welfare than projecting an image to make money. </div></div>

[Tropicana]

Re: whitney houston dead at 48


Whitney Houston death: Subpoenas likely for doctors, pharmacies

Investigators are expected to serve subpoenas on doctors and pharmacies this week as they try to determine whether prescription drugs found in Whitney Houston's hotel room had anything to do with her death, according to a source with knowledge of the case.

“Subpoena power is one of the wonderful tools an investigator uses to get information from pharmacies and doctors,” said Dave Campbell, a retired captain from the coroner’s office. “You’re primarily seeking documents, not the persons who treated or prescribed, because you are doing a death investigation, not a criminal investigation.”

Campbell said investigators generally concentrate on the physicians most clearly connected to any prescription drugs recovered or conditions they know about. “Your saw a lot of this in the Michael Jackson case and I’m sure it will be useful in this incidence,&quot; Campbell added, referring to death investigation focusing on prescription drugs launched after the singer died in 2009.

Photos: Whitney Houston, 1963-2012

He added that investigators would count the tablets in each container and compare them against the date of the prescription to see if the person was taking the correct dosage.

&quot;Sometimes you find other medications inside&quot; the bottles, he said.

Authorities collected several bottles of drugs from Houston's suite at the Beverly Hilton Hotel, where she was found dead Saturday. But officials have said the amounts of drugs did not seem unusually large, leaving it unclear whether the medications had anything to do with the singer's death. Officials are waiting for the results of toxicology tests on Houston's body.

FULL COVERAGE: Whitney Houston | 1963-2012

The source would not discuss specifics of the case but said it was standard practice to examine whether the drugs were dispensed properly and if there was any indication that she was receiving too many prescriptions. The source spoke on the condition of anonymity because the case is ongoing.

Defense attorney Ellyn Garofalo, who won acquittal for a physician charged with over-prescribing drugs to Anna Nicole Smith, said investigators were probably going to be looking at several specific areas.

They will compare the amounts of prescription medications gathered from Houston's room with the amounts of medication that were dispensed. They will look at which pharmacies dispensed the drugs and which doctor or doctors prescribed them. That information could be compared against the prescribing history of one or more doctors who treated Houston.

A red flag would be a single doctor prescribing enormous amounts of medication, Garofalo said.

After Jackson died in 2009, authorities spent months looking at bags full of prescription drugs found at his home. Prosecutors charged his doctor, Conrad Murray, in connection with the star's death.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/20...pharmacies.html

[WitchyOoman]

Re: whitney houston dead at 48

East Orange is <span style="font-weight: bold">one big traffic snarl</span> - both vehicular and pedestrian!

I had business in East Orange today, and I had to take an off-duty cop friend with me just to (1) navigate through it all, and (2) take over my truck while I went into the place of business to do my business. There is NO PLACE to park - not even illegal places. There is NO PLACE to walk without bumping into people on the sidewalks. East Orange is a large city, but it's crowded beyond belief!


Given that Bobby Brown is Bobbi's last remaining parent, it should be up to her - and her alone - as to whether or not she wants her father with her at the funeral. That's my two cents' worth.

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">East Orange is <span style="font-weight: bold">one big traffic snarl</span> - both vehicular and pedestrian!

I had business in East Orange today, and I had to take an off-duty cop friend with me just to (1) navigate through it all, and (2) take over my truck while I went into the place of business to do my business. There is NO PLACE to park - not even illegal places. There is NO PLACE to walk without bumping into people on the sidewalks. East Orange is a large city, but it's crowded beyond belief!


Given that Bobby Brown is Bobbi's last remaining parent, it should be up to her - and her alone - as to whether or not she wants her father with her at the funeral. That's my two cents' worth. </div></div>

Thanks for sharing this Witchy. I was supposed to go to Newark to volunteer for a project on Saturday. Given Whitney's funeral is Saturday, I think I will pass on the project.

[barosa]

Re: Bobby Brown banned from Funeral

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No matter what they may have said. I think he should still reach out, even if it is from a diatance. They don't own the greave yard.

In spite of what they went through with eachother, there was always a special place in each of their hearts for the other no matt what anyone may think.

To have a love for someone does not always mean you can live with them. </div></div>

J kid, What you've said, strkes a chord with me. It's funny, but funerals are not the occasions that people are banned from. The families of celebrities get around it by having a &quot;Private Funeral&quot; which give them the right to &quot;dis-invite&quot; those who are not welcomed... It's sad that Bobby Brown is not wanted around, but if it's only &quot;private&quot; at graveside, they should allow her ex-husband with his daughter by his side at the church for the funeral services.

Whitney has given the world all she had to offer and that is her God-given unique voice, which fortunately will still be with us forever.. May she R.I.P...
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Blessed is the sun, it does not discriminate, it shines on everyone..

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">East Orange is <span style="font-weight: bold">one big traffic snarl</span> - both vehicular and pedestrian!

I had business in East Orange today, and I had to take an off-duty cop friend with me just to (1) navigate through it all, and (2) take over my truck while I went into the place of business to do my business. There is NO PLACE to park - not even illegal places. There is NO PLACE to walk without bumping into people on the sidewalks. East Orange is a large city, but it's crowded beyond belief!

Given that Bobby Brown is Bobbi's last remaining parent, it should be up to her - and her alone - as to whether or not she wants her father with her at the funeral. That's my two cents' worth. </div></div>

East Orange is for the most part a rundown town with blight everywhere..it is also MAJORITY minority so is dat y u had to tek an off-duty cop friend to watch out fi u? juss curious n cudden stop miself from ask..di ongle odda times i use fi see cops giving security was on Yom Kippur or wateva dat day of atonement is , wen the former Jewish population of Orange would congregate on dem cemetery at the bottom of East Orange down towards Newark

[Wahalla]

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I have to confess that I have only mild interest on the death of this songstress.... Sorry but Perkins death was a greater lost to me...I thought she could sing but wasnt that impressed... (When it comes to female singer there was Billy then the rest.......) Talent has its price.. as a wise man on here opnined... ok I always said she could have had me, she didnt.. I would have been a great kept man!

However I would comment that the assumption is that the cause of death is drug related, this strikes me as making the evidence fit the speculation.....

Now why no great conspirasy theory.....???? Or was there another cause...

[jamaica_dreamin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, it is quite possible to grow up around certain environment and not be pulled into it.

For example: I grew up in some of the roughest areas in Ja and have been exposed to Ganja most of my life. Bin in the room many times, in yards, parties, etc. Bin offered it on numerous occasion by close friends. When I tell people that i have never smoked the stuff, they don't believe me. Understand me carefully though, I don't or will never pass judgment on those who do. Matter of fact, some of the people I respected smokes the stuff. I also think that it should be legalized. However, I have never had any desire to try it. I am a very strong minded individual and if i don't desire something, friends cant convince me otherwise.

Saying all of that, it is very possible he did not try the drugs until he was older and got encouraged by someone he deeply loved. He drank liquor, but that may have been all he did for a long time. He may have even smoked ah joint or two, but does not mean he got into the harder stuff. I grew up with many people like that in my community.

I also knew some rough criminals, but never did what they did, and many others also did not. Matter of fact, some of these hard criminals actually looked out for me because they respected my deternination.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jamaica_dreamin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Gen]I think most people had those thoughts when she married him, however, I was talking to someone last night and them mek mi know seh Bobby admit in him book that is she introduce him to drugs. Mi did put that down to well maybe him a try sell books, but apparently some people around her did know seh she start do it long before she met him.


I have no reason to doubt that she did drugs before Bobby. But, I do not believe that she introduced him to drugs either. He grew up in Boston's Orchard Park projects. Back in the day &quot;OP&quot; was very well known for it's drug infestation.


Maybe they were no good for each other.
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It is possible. But in this case I doubt it.

[Xavier]

Should New Jersey honor Whitney Houston with flags

Should New Jersey honor Whitney Houston with flags at half-staff?

[kia027]

Re: Should New Jersey honor Whitney Houston with flags

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xavier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should New Jersey honor Whitney Houston with flags at half-staff? </div></div>

No. She was an entertainer. She was not in the military nor in public office. Yes we are saddened by her death but the flag ting? No.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: whitney houston dead at 48

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">East Orange is <span style="font-weight: bold">one big traffic snarl</span> - both vehicular and pedestrian!

I had business in East Orange today, and I had to take an off-duty cop friend with me just to (1) navigate through it all, and (2) take over my truck while I went into the place of business to do my business. There is NO PLACE to park - not even illegal places. There is NO PLACE to walk without bumping into people on the sidewalks. East Orange is a large city, but it's crowded beyond belief!


Given that Bobby Brown is Bobbi's last remaining parent, it should be up to her - and her alone - as to whether or not she wants her father with her at the funeral. That's my two cents' worth. </div></div>

Thanks for sharing this Witchy. I was supposed to go to Newark to volunteer for a project on Saturday. Given Whitney's funeral is Saturday, I think I will pass on the project. </div></div>
Oh, HELL YES, I'd pass on that, if at all possible, Kia!!!!!

The crowds are a real PiTA! We locals are sick of it already. And the press peeps... rude as hell and too cheap to spend a dollar for a cup of coffee here, too. I'm not joking! They are here, why not eat or drink here? God forbid they should do so, apparently!
They should all GO HOME!! NOW!