Affirmative Action in college admissions to end ?

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what do we, we on this message board who have drunk from the cup of higher education sufficiently to speculate on what Marcus may or may not have said now say to these kids? </div></div>


<span style="font-weight: bold">To me, a man has no master but God</span>. Man in his authority is a sovereign lord. As for the
individual man, so of the individual race. <span style="font-weight: bold">This feeling makes man so courageous, so bold, as to
make it impossible for his brother to intrude upon his rights</span>. So few of us can understand what it
takes to make a man—the man who will never say die; the man who will never give up; <span style="font-weight: bold">the man
who will never depend upon others to do for him what he ought to do for himself</span>; the man who
will not blame God, who will not blame Nature, who will not blame Fate for his condition; but
<span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">the man who will go out and make conditions to suit himself. Oh, how disgusting life becomes
when on every hand you hear people (who bear your image, who bear your resemblance) telling
you that they cannot make it, that Fate is against them, that they cannot get a chance</span>.</span> If
400,000,000 Negroes can only get to know themselves, to know that in them is a sovereign
power, is an authority that is absolute, then in the next twenty-four hours we would have a new
race, we would have a nation, an empire, resurrected, not from the will of others to see us rise,—
but from our own determination to rise, irrespective of what the world thinks.

--Marcus Mosiah Garvey

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Are you serious? What do you want special ed? Short buses? Are you saying that black children are unable to learn as other children because the curriculum does not dumb down subject matter to meet their deficiency? </div></div>
Don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say those things. You did.
Anybody with two brains cells to rub together can go back and read what I did say.

While the cultural issues aren't a reason for special ed, there <span style="font-style: italic">are</span> good reasons for special ed to exist, btw.

And you will <span style="font-weight: bold">never ever ever</span> hear me say that blacks can't learn like any other race. Plain and simple, there is no difference between races, in that sense; we are all human beings, just the same. How dare you, lonrwolf, attempt to paint me with that brush?! <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">I</span></span> am not the racist in this thread!


Note to Self: <span style="text-decoration: underline">Definitely</span> need to go back to ignoring lonrwolf again. Starting right now.

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And you will never ever ever hear me say that blacks can't learn like any other race. Plain and simple, there is no difference between races, in that sense; we are all human beings, just the same.
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That's the point I was trying to make, but not at your expense.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How dare you, lonrwolf, attempt to paint me with that brush?! I am not the racist in this thread!</div></div>

If I insulted you by trying to make that very point, please except my apology, that was not my intention..

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“<span style="font-weight: bold">Any form of discrimination, whether it’s for or against, is wrong,” said Hans von Spakovsky, a legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, who added that his daughter was applying to college. “The idea that she might be discriminated against and not be admitted because of her race is incredible to me,” he said</span> </div></div>

Affirmative action is doing exactly what it is supposed to be fixing.

Plain and simple, affirmative action is racism. </div></div>

diss mekk mii laff

soo wan oyinbo man suinn on behalf aff imm oyinbo dawtah even dough oyinbo oomen ar de biggest beneficaries aff afirmative action on de ground dat imm oyinbo dawtah maybe discriminated against onn de basis aff ar race. imagine oyinbo man suinn oyinbo institution on behalf aff imm oyinbo dawtah dat ave affirmative action policee wear oyinbo oomen ar de largest beneficaries on de ground aff racism.

natt dat lonwolf ovatand dat argument wan oyinbo man cryinn racism dat imm oyinbo dawtah woo gitt preferential treatment fram oyinbo institution iss da victim aff racism

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yeah right
until the day that a resume from a black person and a white person has equal treatment
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<span style="font-style: italic">Oh, really</span>?

Florida (Jacksonville): <span style="font-weight: bold">Firefighters Win Reverse Discrimination Lawsuit</span>; Fire Chief Responds

Excerpted from FirstCoastNews.Com on or before 3/8/06

By First Coast News Staff

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- &quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">A race discrimination lawsuit pitting several Jacksonville firefighters against the city has come to an end in federal court last Friday</span>.

&quot;The jury sided with the firefighters. Four lieutenants claimed their promotion to Captain was blocked by then Fire Chief Ray Alfred.

<span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;The firemen claimed race was a factor. The firefighters are white, the fire chief, black</span>



Florida (Miami): <span style="font-weight: bold">Area Police Depts. Sued for Reverse Discrimination </span>(09/05/98)
Instead of fighting crime, police in these departments are forced to spend time fighting race-based hiring and promotions policies. Two law suits have been filed; and there may be more suits.

According to the Sun-Sentinel of South Florida &quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">The dispute centers on practices such as the Miami Police Department hiring black officers because of their race. </span>


Georgia (Atlanta): 9 Atlanta Firefighters about to be Offered Settlement (01/27/99)
&quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">Nine Atlanta firefighters who sued Fire Chief Winston Minor with claims they were bypassed for job promotions because they are white soon may get some relief from the city</span>. Members of the city's Public Safety Committee on Tuesday unanimously agreed to pay the nine men--all captains who were seeking to be promoted to battalion chiefs--$325,000 in settlement of the discrimination lawsuit filed against Minor and two other fire chiefs in 1996.&quot; Let's see, that would be only $36,111 per firefighter for having their civil rights violated! (Atlanta Journal Constitution, 01/27/99, by Lyda Longa

Georgia (Atlanta / Fulton County): <span style="font-weight: bold">Black, Female Sheriff found Guilty of Reverse Discrimination </span> Adversity.Net (Horror Stories, Case 8, this site): <span style="font-weight: bold">Sheriff Jackie Barrett is black, she's female, and she doesn't like to hire or promote white officers! </span> The Court has found her out, and has ordered the Atlanta Sheriff's Department to pay over $800,000 in damages to 16 officers

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">until the day a black man can get a cab easily by hailing it in manhattan the same as a white man
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<span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start to think about robbery and then look around and see it’s somebody white and feel relieved.&quot; The Reverend Jesse Jackson</span>.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">until the day a black man can be president in america without being continously questioned on his citizenship status and to proove his academic credentials </div></div>

It's part of the political game. That's politics and not racism. A majority of a WHITE voting population is the reason a BLACK man was elected.
THIS FACT YOU CANNOT DISPUTE.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There will be a need to force academic institutions to consider appllicants of non white races , particularly black, and admit them so they may obtain the same educational opportunities as their white counterparts </div></div>

BS, that's racial discrimination, regardless of how you want to dress it up. You cannot pick someone whom has under achieved over someone else. The whole system will suffer if the best and brightest are not chosen...it's simple logic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even today, I have to go in and fight in primary &amp; secondary schools to ensure my black son is fairly graded and treated. Why? because negative assumptions and stereotypes by the teachers cause them to grade differently </div></div>

I find that hard to believe. Test scores don't lie. So, what you are saying is the teacher is failing your son because he is black?...and not because he is failing to produce passing scores? If what you say is true than YOU need to sue the school system and have the teacher fired. What race is the school teacher?
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soo moaslee iff natt awl oyinbo jury side widd oyinbo firefighters against a blakk fire chief on de issue aff racism ann yuh usinn dat as an xxample aff reverse racism.

oyinbo police afficer ave issues widd dem hirinn more blakk police afficers ann bawlinn reverse racism ann yu defendinn dem police racism.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It's part of the political game. That's politics and not racism. A majority of a WHITE voting population is the reason a BLACK man was elected.
THIS FACT YOU CANNOT DISPUTE.</div></div>

THIS FACT MI CANN DISPUTE CAH YUH FACT IS A LIE.

MORE OYINBO VOTED FE MCCAIN DAN DE SO-CALLED BLACK MAN. GOO LOOK ITT UPP

lonwolf mii caan dispute itt. wen yu sey dat de majaritee aff oyinbo voted fe de mixxed race man itt show dat wan aff de side effect aff racism iss mental illness based on faulty beeleef aff racism.

test score doan lie. woo markinn de test, woo mekkinn upp da test, mii guess yu doan beeleeve oyinbo mekk test dat favevah onyinbo ann dat iss y oyinbo score iigha

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nattydreadgirl</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Kia, I agree that the sterotyping goes on far too much in the school systems.
I think I relayed this incident before on here already,

Little white boy Tommy called my son a nasty name. My son bit little Tommy, my son was suspended (take in mind this was kindengarten) I went to the school to address the suspension (only my son was suspended)....Hear the teacher now: Tommy didnt know what he was saying but R knew what he meant! WTH! on the teacher, she was totally stereotyping. During our conversation she stuck her foot in her mouth on a couple more comments/observations that proved my point...She was being &quot;honest&quot; with a comment that she had very little experience with teaching black students....my response to her that she did not need to treat R different because he was black, look at him as a 5 year old kid, not a 5 year old black kid...

Now, she said this to my face, I had to leave the school, go home and calm myself down for about 1 hour before I was able to address this, cause my first reaction was to give her a this still makes my pressure rise today when I think of it.

I vote not to end affirmative action!!! </div></div>

mii memba wan oyinbo teecha cawl mii bout mii dawtah. mii cawl ar pon ar racism ann shii deny itt butt shii gitt de message nuh baddar mii ar mii dawtah cah mii nah ignore oyinbo racism

yu shood ave putt de teacher ann principal pon notice dat yuh nah tollerate racism toward yuh yuth. yuh kno dat suspension might go pon imm permanent recard aff fallaw imm troo de miseducation system dat dem might use against imm iff anneetinn else appen inn da future

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, lonrwolf, test scores DO sometimes lie because tests themselves often are biased!

Quantitative based tests (spelling, math) are what they are content-wise, <span style="font-weight: bold">but qualitative based tests (vocabulary, social studies, history) are very often culturally biased.</span> </div></div>

That's rediculous. What you are saying is nothing more than an excuse to excuse laziness and except mediocrity. I could read and study African history, even though I have not been culturally exposed to such, and still be able to retain such information if I take the time to study it and apply myself to the subject matter...don't you get it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Textbooks - and the standardized tests that come with them - are not written with minorities in mind; they're written to sell millions to the majority</span>. This is especially problematic for students who are first-generation Americans, whose parents do not know the basic &quot;American cultural stuff&quot; that most of us learn at home. It's also especially problematic for underprivileged students who must sit exams written by majority adults who have vastly different cultural experiences than the students who must take said exams </div></div>

Are you serious? What do you want special ed? Short buses? Are you saying that black children are unable to learn as other children because the curriculum does not dumb down subject matter to meet their deficiency?

Your theory defies logic. Asian students arriving in the US that are completely at a cultural disadvantage, not only thrive, but excel and beat white US children at their own game in all phases of US based education.

As long as parents make excuses for minorities inabilty to keep up with the rest of the world, rather than demand more out of their children, than parents have done nothing but accept and foster the failure of their children...You are at fault, not the rest of the population. Keep up or get left behind. That's reality, like it or not.

Example: The 'No child left behind program' has been a total failure...Why? See the Atlanta school system debacle. Explain this... </div></div>

yuh eva tink de reason y asian students do well inn school iss cah oyinbo stereotype asian students as smart so dem xxpekktation aff asian create an enviorment more candusive to learninn. racist enviorments ann lower xxpekktation produce low achievinn blakk students dat y mii awlway a chatt bout miseducation ann de dumbinn down aff blakk yuths

ear iss de realitee moas peeps miss education ave more fe do widd rite right enviorment ann xxpexxtation dan de abilitee aff de yuths. goo studee dat

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I never found out about practice tests until long after finishing my education. Fortunately, I scored well enough on my SAT, but would have been much closer to 1600 with some practice. Who knows why none of the teachers or counselors at my HS saw fit to advise me on these things.

Unno tand deh ah try fi reason wid firemandave. Tropicana asked why Politrix so ded; he is one of the reasons. </div></div>

sat test iss a joke. imagine juss upp fram ja ann natt knowinn a ting bout sat, mii scored 1460 cah neva studee, neva tekk annee practice test ann oyinbo teachers ann advisers compliment mii cah mii score bettar dan moas aff de addar students. realitee iss dat jamaican miseducation prepare mii fe itt. dat y mii gitt soo upset nowadays wen mii see sum aff de qualitee aff poorlee educated student cumminn upp fram yaawd

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never found out about practice tests until long after finishing my education. Fortunately, I scored well enough on my SAT, but would have been much closer to 1600 with some practice. Who knows why none of the teachers or counselors at my HS saw fit to advise me on these things. </div></div>


my school gave us lots of preparation for the SAT...
but my school was not around the way;
in our overall culture over the last 20-30 years there has been a huge loss of the drive for education...
many of our youth would now rather wear their pants on their knees than ever pick up a book or newspaper...
their leaders are lil wayne &amp; rick ross &amp; drake;
it will take more than affirmative action to save us
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yuh kno da school yuh went tu wass wan aff dem iigh parfarminn elitist school soo dem add fe prepare oonnoo soo dem neva look badd

[Wahalla]

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So yanki system with all its resources failed to prepare its students... yet <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> realitee iss dat jamaican miseducation prepare mii fe itt.</div></div>

sounds like african american yanki need fi adopt yardie miseducation to succed...

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i think i wrote that same thing in this very thread or another current one...
i can't imagine garvey being in favor of affirmative action-- too demoralizing &amp; demeaning...it perpetuates victim mentality;
i think garvey would say create your own so you don't have to beg someone to set aside a place for you;
he would say a person should rise or fall based upon their own abilities &amp; ambitions...

garvey philosophy completely different from modern-day inferiority complex;
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There is aspects of Garvey that I am not attracted to..

However his emphersis of self relaince aleays struck me as in direct conflict to the aspects that the &quot;liberal&quot; black yankis postualte.. Affriamative action ect...

Garvey was in his life as an example always studying, cosntantly .. He was an autodicdat...he constantly asked quesstions . He constantly attended courses even up to his stroke...He not jsut history but practical.. His first iniative was to try and set up a school as per Booker T washington in Jamaica...

My read is that he would have been advocating supplimentary education for yankis......

The aspect of Garvey that I find most appealing is not the philosophy but rather the practicality.. oue own iniative..our own efforts.. and we all must learn contantly.. The bar must be set high and we can acheive that.. That is what I tell my children they can acheive they can do... But each to his own...

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

There is aspects of Garvey that I am not attracted to..

However his emphersis of self relaince aleays struck me as in direct conflict to the aspects that the &quot;liberal&quot; black yankis postualte.. Affriamative action ect...

Garvey was in his life as an example always studying, cosntantly .. He was an autodicdat...he constantly asked quesstions . He constantly attended courses even up to his stroke...He not jsut history but practical.. His first iniative was to try and set up a school as per Booker T washington in Jamaica...

My read is that he would have been advocating supplimentary education for yankis......

The aspect of Garvey that I find most appealing is not the philosophy but rather the practicality.. oue own iniative..our own efforts.. and we all must learn contantly.. The bar must be set high and we can acheive that.. That is what I tell my children they can acheive they can do... But each to his own...
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i don't think Affirmative action was intended as a replacement for ambition and initiative and hard work. AA was one of the tools of integration.
I think the intent is noble but in practice it is applied in a very lazy way.

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> THIS FACT MI CANN DISPUTE CAH <span style="font-weight: bold">YUH FACT IS A LIE.</span>

MORE OYINBO VOTED FE MCCAIN DAN DE SO-CALLED BLACK MAN. GOO LOOK ITT UPP</div></div>

I said, <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-weight: bold">A majority of a WHITE voting population </span>is the reason a BLACK man was elected.
THIS FACT YOU CANNOT DISPUTE.</div></div>

I did not say THE MAJORITY, I said A MAJORITY. There is a difference. You can twist this thing anyway you want Blu, but the POINT IS WITHOUT A LARGE MAJORITY OF WHITE VOTERS OBAMA DOES NOT GET ELECTED...THAT'S A FACT YOU STILL CANNOT DISPUTE REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR NOTORIOUS &quot;THE EVIL OYINBO&quot; SPIN ON THIS AS YOU DO WITH EVERY TOPIC.

THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS IN THE US ARE WHITE BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES ...ARE WHITE. Imagine that? It's simple math... Do you get it? Or do you need more of an explanation?

No lies, No twist, No spin, No agenda...just simple statistics, but spin away as you always do.

U.S. Census Bureau

White persons, percent, 2010 (a) 72.4%

Black persons, percent, 2010 (a) 12.6%

American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2010 (a) 0.9%

Asian persons, percent, 2010 (a) 4.8%

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2010 (a) 0.2%

Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2010 16.3%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

[RichD]

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so 43% of the white people voted for Obama and 55% voted for McCain...explain how you use the word majority in that context?

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never found out about practice tests until long after finishing my education. Fortunately, I scored well enough on my SAT, but would have been much closer to 1600 with some practice. Who knows why none of the teachers or counselors at my HS saw fit to advise me on these things. </div></div>


my school gave us lots of preparation for the SAT...
but my school was not around the way;
in our overall culture over the last 20-30 years there has been a huge loss of the drive for education...
many of our youth would now rather wear their pants on their knees than ever pick up a book or newspaper...
their leaders are lil wayne &amp; rick ross &amp; drake;
it will take more than affirmative action to save us
</div></div>

yuh kno da school yuh went tu wass wan aff dem iigh parfarminn elitist school soo dem add fe prepare oonnoo soo dem neva look badd </div></div>

true...
but this is where parenting &amp; extended family/village comes in;
you know as a yuteman inna j-a our parents emphasized education...as far as i can see now inna boo york right now the youths don't really respect education...it almost seems like it's cool to be a dumb@$$;

combine that with the ****stem deliberately shutting out qualified black male teacher role model figures and the current situation with the black male youth in education is predictable;

but AA is not the answer, only short-term at best...
a revolution in thought is the first step