Affirmative Action in college admissions to end ?

[franksterr]

Re: Affirmative Action in college admissions to end ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I read this out of curosity as it does not affect me.. But Jah Youth... from Garvey do u think he would have approve of affirmative action....??? (Not trying to pick a fight want ur considered opnion.. <span style="font-weight: bold">mine is that he would not</span>.. )
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Mine is that he would.

Do Not Confuse what you as a people or individula must do for yourself and what the Government owes you as a tax paying citizen.

Garvey fought against<span style="color: #FF0000"> discrimination based on race</span> and petition several governments to grant negros lands

Reverse Racism is a fiction created by mix halftruths with out right lies through control of the conversation.



Ambition is the desire to go forward and improve one's condition. It is a burning flame that lights up the life of the individual and makes him see himself in another state. To ambitious is to be great in mind and soul. To want that which is worth while and strive for it. To go on without looking back, reaching to that which gives satisfaction. EDUCATION is the medium by which a people are prepared for the creation of their own particular civilization, and the advancement and glory of their own race.
Marcus Garvey




The political readjustment of the world means that those who are not sufficiently able, not sufficiently prepared, will be at the mercy of the organized classes for another one or two hundred years.
Before you have a government, you must have the people. Without the people there can be no government. <span style="font-weight: bold">The government must be, therefore, an expression of the will of the people.
</span>Marcus Garvey

[Wahalla]

Re: Affirmative Action in college admissions to end ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I would argue that an average student out of Jamaica does very well when transfered to the united states.... </div></div>

i would not question that...but does bad student suddenly become a scholar? </div></div>

No but Jamaicans and immigrants recognize opportunity and seize it . Being prepared to grab ..And are prepared to suck salt from a wooden spoon to succeed... This attitude of the immigrant the driven is not as much evident in the host population... Whom see the hurdles and not recognise the oppertunity.... Again a comment ment made to me by an acedemic was that immigrants make the most of the affrimative action oppertunity in education than yankis.... Again this is second hand anecdotal evidence....

[R_C]

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Now that the playing field is level as some seem to be <span style="font-style: italic">implying</span> here and everything is hunky dory, I would have no problem appearing before <span style="color: #CC0000">this judge</span>. I am now convinced that I would be treated fairly by Judge Cebull and my case would be judged on its merits, not on any preconceptions about my race..

Wouldn't you ?

[Gen]

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<span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;Americans by and large like to believe that the nation provides ample opportunity for the truly motivated to rise -- pulling oneself up by the bootstraps, as the saying goes. Research suggests that's simply not the case. In fact, American children born either rich, or poor, are more likely than children in other developed countries to maintain that station into adulthood.&quot;</span>

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yu kno lonwolf yu iss natt de onlee wan pon ear wey doan ovatand de argument mii cantinuallee made dat iss wass de blakk vote wey eelexx mixxed race man ann mii doan feel fe xxplain itt eeeddard </div></div>

You don't explain because you can't find a spin to make things something that they are not which is your usual method of operation.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lonwolf att least mekk yu argument challenginn soo mii doan easilee discard dem. </div></div>

The facts are there, but you choose to ignore them because it does not fit into your racist agenda.

You have yet to post anything of merit. You simply spin the truth to fabricate whatever racial fantasy that you want to believe.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yu studee merikkan politrixx ann yu mekkinn argument bout majaritee rule wen de oyinbo framers chatt dividinn factions <span style="font-weight: bold">soo majaitee doan appress de minoritee </span>ann yu doan ovatand itt </div></div>

Really? and you actually admit as much? You talk in two tongues and counterdict
yourself with that statement. You constantly complain about white majority opression.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> yu need fe studee electoral votes ann wear blakk ann latino live ann de role dat play inn determine woo winn ann stapp beeinn simplistixx bye usinn census population ting fe mekk argument
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It's very simplistic and very predictable. You just don't understand it. States with minority populations just so happen to be Democratic. This is not by accident because Democratic states are more liberal with social services. Minority populations follow the social service trail. The point being that these states would already be voting Democrat and thus the electoral vote would be for the Democratic candidate regardless of the minority vote. Fact not opinion.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">blakk peeps luv fe chatt bout blakk dissunitee wild ignorinn oyinbo disunitee. even iff de majaritee aff de population iss oyinbo, de disunitee among oyinbo iss y blakk ann latino decide de outcum aff eelexxshan </div></div>

Nice try, but I disagree. The people wanted and needed change. All people. Not just whites, blacks and hispanics, but all people. Obama was the right man at the right time and he ran a brilliant campaign. That is why he won. People did not see race. They saw change, but unfortunately they received four more years of george Bush.

You need to deprogram. Not every damn subject has racial overtones.
Sometimes subject matter it's just about people.

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reverse Racism is a fiction created by mix halftruths with out right lies through control of the conversation.
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Actually there is no such thing as reverse racism or reverse discrimination.
Racism is racism regardless of who is pitching or who is catching. It's the same game.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Reverse Racism is a fiction</span> created by mix halftruths with out right lies through control of the conversation </div></div>

That's my point. Racism is racism. Choosing a less qualified candidate for school admissions because of the color of their skin is a racist policy.

Affirmative action is racist.

[blugiant]

Re: Affirmative Action in college admissions to en

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

you know how funny it is that this was being discussed a hundred years ago, but today nothing like this is even mentioned;
we no longer even entertain the notion of do for self...we want someone to let us into their places rather than build a place of our own...

the guys now pushed in front as &quot;black leaders&quot; are hustlers and misleaders--working for the hidden hand...
teaching a subservient, victimhood mindset...
how long can a people keep begging?

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garvey speakinn to blakk peeps sed &quot;up, you mighty race, accomplish what you will. &quot;

garvey alwl so sed &quot; having had the wrong education as a start in his racial career, the negro has become his own greatest enemy. Most of the trouble I have had in advancing the cause of the race has come from negroes..&quot;

ar yu seyinn dat affirmative action iss natt bout doinn fe owaself?

jy blakk peeps tartinn fe open more bizz soo wat yu meen bye natt doinn fe owaself.

[blugiant]

Re: Affirmative Action in college admissions to en

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reverse Racism is a fiction created by mix halftruths with out right lies through control of the conversation.
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Actually there is no such thing as reverse racism or reverse discrimination.
Racism is racism regardless of who is pitching or who is catching. It's the same game.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Reverse Racism is a fiction</span> created by mix halftruths with out right lies through control of the conversation </div></div>

That's my point. Racism is racism. Choosing a less qualified candidate for school admissions because of the color of their skin is a racist policy.

Affirmative action is racist.

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oww iss affirmative action racist iff itt wass created bye oyinbo ann de main beneficiary iss oyinbo oomen?

oww yu define less qualified wen oyinbo system allow more less qualified oyinbo students dan more qualified blakk peeps? soo yu waan fe ignore de inherited legacy aff less qualified oyinbo students?

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
we no longer even entertain the notion of do for self...we want someone to let us into their places rather than build a place of our own... </div></div>
Agreed! We should do more to build our own institutions, create businesses and jobs, etc. Integration has not been all that successful.

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How long is short term JY ??? </div></div>

good question...
obviously based on the original article of the thread, some already think that term is over...the concept is a noble one; to attempt to atone for past injustices--- it's just going to be a powder-keg issue as long as it is officially practiced...never mind is it already practiced unofficially as businesses &amp; schools already hire &amp; admit whoever the hell they want at the exclusion of others...
i can't pretend i know the solution for this issue, but i would like to see the so-called blacks change the nature of the debate...
from begging to get in to a guy's job or school or arguing that they deserve a place, to exploring self-improvement and going about creating what others have created also... </div></div>

jy mii wance add de appartunitee fe chatt widd sum prominent blakk bizzness men ann dem told mii oww de pool dem money tiggithar annn wukk hard fee eelekk wan blakk mayor so dat dem wood bee inna position fe better grow dem bizz. dey were creatinn ann doinn fe demselves ann addar blakks. dem sed dat even dough dem were qualified fe cantracts ann affirmative action dem cood natt gitt de contract dem were qualified for. even undar de blakk mayor dem neva gitt more aff de cantracts dem were qualified fe recieved soo wen de blakk mayors came arund fe reelekkshan dem neva donate ar arganized peeps fe eelp imm gitt reelected so imm loss

de pint iss dat ignorinn oww manee aff oyinbo create fe demselves ann build bigg bizz cah aff guv cantracts ann oww widdout access to dat itt limit blakk bizz growth. itt like uncle clarence benefit fram affirmative actions ann den chatt oww blakk peeps fe pull demself upp bye dem bootstrap. blakk peeps affii stapp beeinn brainwashed bye oyinbo arguments ann protect watt blakk peeps inn da past fought for

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
we no longer even entertain the notion of do for self...we want someone to let us into their places rather than build a place of our own... </div></div>
Agreed! We should do more to build our own institutions, create businesses and jobs, etc. Integration has not been all that successful. </div></div>

sound good butt iss itt troo???

yu meen fe tell mi blakk peeps entertain de notion aff doinn fe demselves ann dat sum blakks nuh buildinn a place of dem own wen de rate aff blakk entreprenuership increasinn

mii neva figgit wedubois arguinn fe school intergration wild admittinn dat imm kno itt wood natt benefit moas blakks students. realitee iss dat integration has been successful fe de few woo iss wass meant fah, da talented tenth

[franksterr]

Re: Affirmative Action in college admissions to end ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Actually there is no such thing as reverse racism or reverse discrimination.
Racism is racism regardless of who is pitching or who is catching. It's the same game.</div></div>

We agree on the fact that reverse racism is a fiction.
It matters who is pitching, in the US blacks cannot practice Racism except against other blacks or minorities.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's my point. Racism is racism. Choosing a<span style="font-weight: bold"> less qualified </span>candidate for school admissions because of the color of their skin is a racist policy.</div></div>

ADMISSION TO UNIVERSITY IS NOT ONLY ABOUT GRADES.
You missing the point they are both <span style="font-weight: bold">Qualified </span>
As is often the case they are a lot of less qualified whites (academically) in the same university that have denied more academically qualified whites and this has never been an issue.
To cite an example the yr Jenny Gartz a white woman was rejected at the university of Michigan there was only 85 blacks students who were admitted with lower grades than her. Yet that same year 1400 white students was also admitted with lower grades than Jenny Gratz.
To choose a candidate based on skin color is not racist but racial.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Affirmative action is racist.
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For over 300 hundred yrs blacks whether qualified or not was denied college education on the basis of their skin, that particular wound needs to be reddress......Affirmative action is that process.
It is the existence of white privilege, implicit racism in white society and establishments that necessitates the recognition race as a factor in college admission.
Racism is affirmative actions for whites throughout history and it still is today.
Affirmative actions does not deny anyone admission, Rather after grades college admission is based on a point scale system employed by most university that give points based on
1. where you were born or live.
2. what high school you attended
3. what classes you took in high school
4. If members of your family went to that college - legacy
5. If family is a donor to that college.
to that point system that favored rich white males, affirmative action added
6. economic status
7. ethnicity/race
8. sex*/gender

Lastly the obstacles that majority of blacks face growing up in a racist society precludes them from experiencing or preparing for college the way the average white can.
Racism is the greatest obstacle a black individual faces in America whilst Racism is the greatest preference a white individual experiences in America without even being aware of it.

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you know how funny it is that this was being discussed a hundred years ago, but today nothing like this is even mentioned;
we no longer even entertain the notion of do for self...we want someone to let us into their places rather than build a place of our own...

the guys now pushed in front as &quot;black leaders&quot; are hustlers and misleaders--working for the hidden hand...
teaching a subservient, victimhood mindset...
how long can a people keep begging?</div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">garvey speakinn to blakk peeps sed &quot;up, you mighty race, accomplish what you will. &quot;</div></div>

seen!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">garvey alwl so sed &quot; having had the wrong education as a start in his racial career, the negro has become his own greatest enemy. Most of the trouble I have had in advancing the cause of the race has come from negroes..&quot;</div></div>

seen!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ar yu seyinn dat affirmative action iss natt bout doinn fe owaself?</div></div>

sure it is- but with another one ultimately deciding your fate (since he or she is choosing who to place)...like i said before and say again-- it is not a long-term solution--you are still seeing yourself within the context of another person/people...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jy blakk peeps tartinn fe <span style="font-weight: bold">open more bizz </span>soo wat yu meen bye natt doinn fe owaself</div></div>.

not nearly as many as back in the supposed worse times of segregation...go figure

[barosa]

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By franksterr:
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Lastly the obstacles that majority of blacks face growing up in a racist society precludes them from experiencing or preparing for college the way the average white can.
Racism is the greatest obstacle a black individual faces in America whilst Racism is the greatest preference a white individual experiences in America without even being aware of it.
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Frankster, I've read most of what has been discussed here.. As I see it, racism is at the root of this topic. &quot;AA&quot; came about because of racism, that's a fact.. One may ask who was on the receiving end of it why it had to come about? - It came about because there was a &quot;conciousness&quot; that developed among sufficient White Americans to partially redress the past wrongs against their fellow &quot;black&quot; citizens..

It took a bloody struggle, the Civil Rights Struggle to gain what was considered almost a &quot;right&quot; that was denied them, <span style="font-weight: bold">Affirmative Action</span>.. - That &quot;right or benefit&quot; that was given to the Blacks was broadened to include females and others. We all know that White women benefitted most and Black men benefitted the least.. So, Franksterr, I find your words above very appropriate and germaine to the topic, I could not have said them any better myself

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Blessed is the sun, it doesn't DISCRIMINATE, it shines on everyone..

[blugiant]

Re: Affirmative Action in college admissions to en

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I find it odd that I think of three friends of mine who grew up in Jamaica in the deepest rural (lack of electricity, five mile walk daily each way to a 45 minute bus ride to school), setting was two of whom adjudged to have been in the to be wothty of a scholarships to a US based on a SAT score thirty years ago.. yet those from an inner citty yanki cant compete in 2012.. To me the idea that it is poverty....rascism lack of understanding of yanki dominat culture makes no sense.... but then all three was equally succesful at English Exam Boards (Example A 13 O'levels, 3 A'levels, Example B 11 Olevels, 3 A levels, Example C 12 O'levels, 3 A'levels) all three at the same high school from the same rural setting... And were not particularly brilliant by my accounts.. So eitjer Jamaicans are superior....

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But Wahalla to be fair similar anecdotes can be found across the US(and Canada) too. take a look at CXC passes from inner city schools in Jamaica today hardly anything to write home about. </div></div>

I would argue that an average student out of Jamaica does very well when transfered to the united states.... </div></div>

wat doo yu meen bye very well? de grade de average yaawd students gitt iss average? untill yaawd peeps stapp beeleevinn dese myth iss finnallee discredited, den more yaawd students will tart fe doo bettar cah den will raise den xxpectation will bee raised