stand your ground when you feel threatened by loud music

[blugiant]

I absolutely agree that economics background is of a consequense, but the majority of those on government assistance in this country are white, which means that there are more whites that are of poor economic background than blacks, but poor whites are not killing each other at the rate as the statistics show blacks of a poor economic background. Rich, statistics are not an opinion, and a body count is something that is easily tracked. I know Canada does not experience the same crime and subsequent slaughter as US cities. Do the math and homicide rate in large US cities, it's astounding and ignored.The casualties are equivalent to a war zone...but let one wacko white person shoot a black person and all hell breaks loose, and it's the topic of discussion...and my point to Trop was this, if she and her son moved to the US, her son would be more likely killed by someone of his own age, race and peer group, than a WHITE PERSON. It's simple logic using stats, and not opinion.

yuh kno de fact dat more oyinbo ar pon welfare show dat oyinbo gitt welfare more easilee dan blakks so dat oyinbo povertee iss more likelee fe be ameliorated dan blakks. dat wood cause more poor blakks to commit crime. lonwolf famous oyinbo wance sed deer ar lies, damn lies ann statistrixx cah imm ovatand oww statistrixx can be used fe mislead widd faultee info. tink pon diss more blakk peeps ar killed by medical malpractice dan homocide butt oyinbo media focus pon homocide. do yu tink itt cah moas aff blakks woo perished dat way ar de victims aff oyinbo

[blugiant]

See, this is proof that you are a racist. To make such a blanket statement, proves my point. And how did you deduct from my statement, the defense of racism? And another thing, I don't see racism at all in this shooting. I see a person that murdered another person, and that person is a danger to society, not just white society or black society, but just society...but you keep on banging on you racist drum. Yeah, you are really making things better in this world by posting your disturbed thoughts in an incoherent language that even those on this board scoff at.

so yuh disagreed widd mii statement dat awl oyinbo ar racist. oyinbo pull upp nexx to a automobile loaded widd blakk yuths ann den imm tell de blakk yuths fe tunn dunn dem radio. dem cuss imm rasss out so imm fire multiple shots inna dem automobile ann yuh doan see racism inn dat. juss wan mentallee disturbed oyinbo woo neva chatt att oyinbo butt decided fe shoot upp de auto filled widd blakk yuth. mii wandar iff imm related to george zimmerman

[LinSkinny]

One of the reports I read said that he felt threatened by what appeared to be the barrel of a gun, however the report also stated that no weapon was found.

Just like the Trayvon case, we DO NOT have all of the information so we can only speculate. Kinda like the new evidence just released in that case. The color photo. Why wasn't photo released earlier and why did the defense have to jump through hoops to get it? Why were they only provided with a grainy black and white photocopy?

Firearms is one of those things like plane crashes or motorcycles. People speculate all the time about them, yet, all they know both subjects is what they hear on the news. Think about that for a bit.

[RichD]

Rich, statistics are not an opinion,

the interpretation of statistics is opinion.


you raised the issue of peer group...what do you define as peer group? is will smith just as likely to be the victim of black onblack violence as a man of similar age living in south side chicago? you are using statistics in a very simplistic way. my challenge to you was to dig deeper.

[LinSkinny]

Statistics can also be manipulated to favor one side over the other. I think we've also learned that laws restricting guns don't do squat to prevent gun crime. Chicago, NY, and other places in the US with the most restrictive laws still have violent gun crime. Gun Crime also occurs in Canada, even though their laws are more restrictive.

[Blackstar*]

yuh kno de fact dat more oyinbo ar pon welfare show dat oyinbo gitt welfare more easilee dan blakks so dat oyinbo povertee iss more likelee fe be ameliorated dan blakks. dat wood cause more poor blakks to commit crime. lonwolf famous oyinbo wance sed deer ar lies, damn lies ann statistrixx cah imm ovatand oww statistrixx can be used fe mislead widd faultee info. tink pon diss more blakk peeps ar killed by medical malpractice dan homocide butt oyinbo media focus pon homocide. do yu tink itt cah moas aff blakks woo perished dat way ar de victims aff oyinbo

You are such a fount of knowledge. I really have to salute for this one.

[Tropicana]

One of the reports I read said that he felt threatened by what appeared to be the barrel of a gun, however the report also stated that no weapon was found.

Just like the Trayvon case, we DO NOT have all of the information so we can only speculate. Kinda like the new evidence just released in that case. The color photo. Why wasn't photo released earlier and why did the defense have to jump through hoops to get it? Why were they only provided with a grainy black and white photocopy?

Firearms is one of those things like plane crashes or motorcycles. People speculate all the time about them, yet, all they know both subjects is what they hear on the news. Think about that for a bit.

Notice there are no cases of unarmed white people being killed by other white people because they felt "threatened". How come stand your grown always involves a White person killing an unarmed Black person?

[Blackstar*]

Notice there are no cases of unarmed white people being killed by other white people because they felt "threatened". How come stand your grown always involves a White person killing an unarmed Black person?

Thank you!

[LinSkinny]

Notice there are no cases of unarmed white people being killed by other white people because they felt "threatened". How come stand your grown always involves a White person killing an unarmed Black person?

Really? No cases? Not sure where you getting your information, but crime has no race. Criminals are all colors. If the victim is armed, I assure you that they will protect themselves. Hang around the firearm forums and your eyes may be opened to everyday interactions where a firearm prevented a violent crime. My girlfriend was as naïve as some of the people that think gun laws will help. A few recent incidents pointed out to her that crime waits for no one. All of these occured within a mile of her supposedly 'safe' area. She now knows how to fire a gun and hit a stationary target. Next is moving targets. One step at a time.

[blugiant]

Notice there are no cases of unarmed white people being killed by other white people because they felt "threatened". How come stand your grown always involves a White person killing an unarmed Black person?

tropi cansidar diss oyinbo ar more likelee fe be gun owners dan blakks. suh dat meen more oyinbo ar armed butt yuh doan see oyinbo killinn addar oyinbo cah dem feel threaten. more oyinbo ave guns butt oyinbo more likelee fe feel treaten by blakks woo ar less likelee fe be armed.

[Tropicana]

It strikes me as being truly bizarre that White folks who are armed feel "threatened" by unarmed Black male teens and young adults. Like I say every time I think of relocating, I think of my son and stay put.

[LinSkinny]

It strikes me as being truly bizarre that White folks who are armed feel "threatened" by unarmed Black male teens and young adults. Like I say every time I think of relocating, I think of my son and stay put.

Would you feel threatened if you were by yourself somewhere, and surrounded by three white teens? Consider how teens love to mouth off while in a pack.

Just like in the Trayvon case, we do not have all the facts. We can only depend on what is spilled via the news. Zimmerman's new attorney IMO is doing a darn good job, piece by piece. We still do not know everything he knows. In that particular case, I don't vote for Trayvon or Zimmerman since I don't have all the facts. We can only depend on how the cases go. Unfortunetly, the jury of his peers does not always get it right. Sadly, the vote for guilty or innocent goes to who provides the most convincing story in court. The prosecution or the defense.

Here is an example, and it is just a single example of someone protecting themself...12 years old. I don't know if your son is old enough to be left home, but consider that if the child did not have the gun, what would have happened. This crime was stopped by a bullet.

http://www.news9.com/story/19858704/12-year-old-girl-shoots-intruder-during-home-invasion

There was another one where a white person was killed by a black concealed weapon holder in self defense and the shooter was not charged. So that refutes the assertion of only black people getting killed. I'm trying to find it.

Let's put it this way. There are some folks who think that the police will always be there to help them. That is what they want people to think, and then there are others who lawfully will do what they have to do to defend themselves. That does not always include firearms.

Edit: Here you go...found the link. http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...law-mike-dutko

[Tropicana]

Would you feel threatened if you were by yourself somewhere, and surrounded by three white teens? Consider how teens love to mouth off while in a pack.

Nope. That is my day to day reality. Other than the time I spent in Jamaica, I have never lived in a predominantly Black community. I ask again what is threatening about unarmed teenagers black or white?

The guy at the gas station was in his car. How could they have threatened him.

Just like in the Trayvon case, we do not have all the facts.

Standard white argument to justify shooting down unarmed Black people.

We can only depend on what is spilled via the news. Zimmerman's new attorney IMO is doing a darn good job, piece by piece. We still do not know everything he knows. In that particular case, I don't vote for Trayvon or Zimmerman since I don't have all the facts. We can only depend on how the cases go. Unfortunetly, the jury of his peers does not always get it right. Sadly, the vote for guilty or innocent goes to who provides the most convincing story in court. The prosecution or the defense.

Here is an example, and it is just a single example of someone protecting themself...12 years old. I don't know if your son is old enough to be left home, but consider that if the child did not have the gun, what would have happened. This crime was stopped by a bullet.

http://www.news9.com/story/19858704/12-year-old-girl-shoots-intruder-during-home-invasion

There was another one where a white person was killed by a black concealed weapon holder in self defense and the shooter was not charged. So that refutes the assertion of only black people getting killed. I'm trying to find it.

Let's put it this way. There are some folks who think that the police will always be there to help them. That is what they want people to think, and then there are others who lawfully will do what they have to do to defend themselves. That does not always include firearms.

The key is you have to search an dig to come up with White examples and yet you are having trouble. The Black examples are NUMEROUS even though Whites are still in the majority in the USA last time I checked anyway.

Curious as to why you and Lornwolf come here when you clearly can't stand Black people. Who knows, maybe you are the same person hiding behind 2 different profiles. You are never here at the same time and your views are identical.

[LinSkinny]

Nope. That is my day to day reality. Other than the time I spent in Jamaica, I have never lived in a predominantly Black community. I ask again what is threatening about unarmed teenagers black or white?

Maybe I should have phrased the question differently. What if they surrounded you in a threatening manner and you were by yourself with no one around?

The guy at the gas station was in his car. How could they have threatened him.

This is exactly my point, where we do NOT have all the facts. As I said, I did read one report where the shooter said he thought he saw the barrel of gun. Just like cops when they shoot an unarmed person, he claims he felt threatened. It is no different.

Standard white argument to justify shooting down unarmed Black people.

I presented factual cases and now it's an argument? No argument here. All I was attempting to do is refute the statements somewhat. The statement if forgotten was Notice there are no cases of unarmed white people being killed by other white people because they felt "threatened".. Yes, black people get harassed but so do whites. It doesn't matter the color. If examples need to be provided of this, I can happily find some on youtube of white people being harassed by cops.

The key is you have to search an dig to come up with White examples and yet you are having trouble. The Black examples are NUMEROUS even though Whites are still in the majority in the USA last time I checked anyway.

Yes, I have to search because I don't bookmark this stuff. My bookmarks folder is too large already and I do not have a photographic memory.

Curious as to why you and Lornwolf come here when you clearly can't stand Black people. Who knows, maybe you are the same person hiding behind 2 different profiles. You are never here at the same time and your views are identical.

If one were to search on my username, it would be discovered that I normally hung out over in the tech forum. With the new software update, it is easier to see the rest of the posts as they appear. I don't need to duplicate my username because none of my posts have ever been inflammatory in nature. Even when providing advice for the computers. Here is a challenge...find a post on here, where I have actually flamed someone without a proper smiley. Although I was born in Jamaica, years of living in foreign have caused the patois to wane a bit. No matter if I tried, I don't think I could talk like lonewolf. I actually had to read it out to understand it myself. So no personal attacks needed at me, even if I have a similar view as someone else on the forum. In that sense, we could also attack all the other folks in the tech section who provide advice because they have similar views on computer advice?

[blugiant]

Would you feel threatened if you were by yourself somewhere, and surrounded by three white teens? Consider how teens love to mouth off while in a pack. Just like in the Trayvon case, we do not have all the facts. We can only depend on what is spilled via the news. Zimmerman's new attorney IMO is doing a darn good job, piece by piece. We still do not know everything he knows. In that particular case, I don't vote for Trayvon or Zimmerman since I don't have all the facts. We can only depend on how the cases go. Unfortunetly, the jury of his peers does not always get it right. Sadly, the vote for guilty or innocent goes to who provides the most convincing story in court. The prosecution or the defense. Here is an example, and it is just a single example of someone protecting themself...12 years old. I don't know if your son is old enough to be left home, but consider that if the child did not have the gun, what would have happened. This crime was stopped by a bullet. http://www.news9.com/story/19858704/12-year-old-girl-shoots-intruder-during-home-invasion There was another one where a white person was killed by a black concealed weapon holder in self defense and the shooter was not charged. So that refutes the assertion of only black people getting killed. I'm trying to find it. Let's put it this way. There are some folks who think that the police will always be there to help them. That is what they want people to think, and then there are others who lawfully will do what they have to do to defend themselves. That does not always include firearms. Edit: Here you go...found the link. http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...law-mike-dutko

linskinny yuh kno yuh argument iss weak. oyinbo yuth told mii dat a lat aff oyinbo ar scared aff blakks dat y dem act tuff toward blakk yuths. believe diss ar natt late wan nite wen mii wass yungar mii ann mii friend wass escartinn diss mzungu gurl home pon de subway. awl aff a sudden tree skin heads widd combat boot got on de same subway car ann started fe stare upp dunn ann chattinn loud. mi friend ann de oyinbo gurl got scared. mii got upp look inna dem face ann ask dem iff dem waan fe tart sintinn cah iff dem waan fe a pusseecat mek sure dem a de biggest pusseeecat. awl tree skinhead xxited at de nexx stapp. trayvon case yuh chattinn bout awl de fact natt inn butt yu pushinn zimmerman attorney spin like itt fact. yuh reallee waan mii fi tart chattinn bout oyinbo wey threaten blakks. look wat appen to john white. blakk man ann imm son accosted by oyinbo teenagers widd baseballbat ann imm defended immself ann familee ann moaslee oyinbo jury find imm guiltee. wat bout de blakk man woo killed de oyinbo armed widd a knife woo brukk inna imm oouse. wood itt mekk yuh feel a way iff mii tell yuh de police testified imm acted inn self defense inn imm oouse butt oyinbo jury find imm guiltee. wat bout de blakk teenagers jumped by seven oyinbo ann imm defend immself butt oyinbo jury find imm guilty. even de nra argument dat reason behind y dem tryinn limit gun ownership iss racism. iff blakk peeps ar more likelee fe be da victim aff crimes, y oyinbo misuse blakk crime fe argue against gun ownership wild dem chattinn dat oyinbo need gun fe protection. ignore de racism awl yuh waan